What is it with some people?

vc · Jan 14, 2013

(Let me first state, that it is not all promoters of this breed just certain individuals who seem to have a bur under their saddle, and their way is the only way to raise cattle)
Over the last year or so I have noticed a trend that seems to reoccur over and over. A certain percentage of breeders for a specific breed seem to enjoy coming to this show cattle based web site and condemning show cattle, I for one have no problem with the breed but do find their protest entertaining as well as the discussions that ensue.
At first I just assumed it was because they did not like losing to club type cattle, although their breed shows up in many of the club calves pedigrees. Then I just thought they need a place to go to voice their opinion on the superiority of their cattle and how they manage the herd. Then it occurred to me, this is the only format where they can somewhat be taken seriously. They get laughed at on the commercial cattle based websites, some go visit and point out to the commercial guys how they are doing it wrong for a little while but they always seem to come back.
What gets me the most though is how they even show animosity to others who promote/raise the same breed of cattle. One would think that if they wanted to promote and grow their breed they would first need to come together and join forces, many of the people on this site that raise the breed are polite, conscientious and seem to have a wealth of knowledge of both cattle and their specific breed.
I prefer the people who show you what they have, tell you how they did it, and let you decide if that is right for you, on the other hand I am more than likely to blow the other type that points out everyone else’s cattle’s faults and how your are doing it all wrong. I have been impressed by many of the cattle posted on here from that breed, I sometimes think it is not the cattle that are the problem for the breed it is some of the breeders that might be holding them back.
I will also like to ask "what is it with Illinois, are you people not happy there" if my memory serves my right Outspoken was from IL. wasn't he.

herfluvr · Jan 14, 2013

Just some good thoughts to ponder. We never mind standing behind a good one (clapping)

How To Tell a Winner From a Loser

A Winner says, “Let’s find out;” a Loser says “Nobody knows.”

When a Winner makes a mistake; he says, “I was wrong;” when a Loser makes a mistake; he says, “It wasn’t my fault.”

A Winner goes through a problem; a Loser goes around
it and never gets past it.

A Winner makes commitments; a Loser makes promises.

A Winner says, “I’m good, but not as good as I ought to be;” a Loser says, “I’m not as bad as a lot of other people.”

A Winner tries to learn from those who are superior to him; a Loser tries to tear down those who are superior to him.

A Winner says, “There ought to be a better way to do it;” a Loser says, “That’s the way it’s always been done here.”

heatherleblanc · Jan 15, 2013

herfluvr said:
Just some good thoughts to ponder. We never mind standing behind a good one (clapping)

How To Tell a Winner From a Loser

A Winner says, “Let’s find out;” a Loser says “Nobody knows.”

When a Winner makes a mistake; he says, “I was wrong;” when a Loser makes a mistake; he says, “It wasn’t my fault.”

A Winner goes through a problem; a Loser goes around
it and never gets past it.

A Winner makes commitments; a Loser makes promises.

A Winner says, “I’m good, but not as good as I ought to be;” a Loser says, “I’m not as bad as a lot of other people.”

A Winner tries to learn from those who are superior to him; a Loser tries to tear down those who are superior to him.

A Winner says, “There ought to be a better way to do it;” a Loser says, “That’s the way it’s always been done here.”

Well said.

Cow Chaser · Jan 15, 2013

That was well said herfluvr, and not everybody from Illinois is grumpy and disrespectful. I can't remember saying anything negative about anybodies cattle on here. I don't understand some people their whole goal seems to be to bash people and cattle especially show cattle. And it does seem that the more successful somebody is the bigger the target on their back is. Take for instance Lautner's, they get bashed on here all the time and I don't know why. They have some great bulls and they are great at promoting those bulls, I know not everyone turns into the great one but you have to admit that they aren't afraid to try. I breed our cows to bulls I like and I don't care who owns him.

vc · Jan 15, 2013

Cow chaser, did not mean to pigeon hole all from IL. just seems a few from IL. seem to have the biggest chip on their shoulder. I guess that is how stereotypes get started, my bad.

J2F · Jan 15, 2013

Why do you care what others think and say? If you are doing it right and only worry about your own program why does it matter what others say? I would say “There ought to be a better way to do it;” and "tries to learn from those who are superior to him" leads to a lot of the discussions on this board. I don't agree with someone claiming "your doing it wrong" but have no problem with someone saying I am doing it right.

OH Breeder · Jan 15, 2013

One of my mother's famous statements was ...." consider the source." So when I read negative comments I look at who is posting them. I figure if I am writing the check every month to pay the expenses and if I am the one with repeat customers, i must be doing something right. As far as a certain "breed", well some folks are more passionate than others. We definitely have a span of experience on the board in age and generations. Of course each new generation thinks their way is right. I was always told if you want to learn ask twice as many questions as you give answers. we should look at history for progress as not to repeat the same mistakes twice.

So my advice to you ...consider the source.

KSanburg · Jan 15, 2013

I agree the bigger they are the bigger target they have on their back, but it doesn't just stop at show cattle. They will bash you for anything if it hits them right (from pictures to mis-spelling), and it doesn't matter much where they are from. Lautner's get it as bad as anyone and as far as their bulls go in a recent post someone ask why they had so many bulls and a good part of them you never hear much about, well it is pretty simple, they get X amount of bulls promote the ones they have a lot of money and think have the best chance for success and hope that one of the bulls that they don't promote gets some attention because people go to their web site and look at the bulls. They may only have $5k in the un-promoted bull and if they sell 500 straws on it at $20 then they more than cover their expense while they have to sell 5000 straws of the promoted bulls to cover that $50k bull. Then they lease them out for $2000 for 2 months and let someone else pay the feed bills for a little. It is a percentage game and for them every bull does not have to be the great one to pay for themselves.

Those numbers are completely hypothetical and I have no idea what they have (money wise) into their bulls, but I believe that is how they put such a big bull battery together. They are great promoters and play the game well. If just one of the un-promoted bulls really gets used and word of mouth is the best advertising (just read Steer Planet) and they sell 5000 straws he paid for himself 10 fold.

vc · Jan 15, 2013

I do not blame the breed, it just seems that the few of the "my way is the only way" happen to be involved in that breed, the others involved with the same breed seem like complete opposites from them. (I also did not know that one was a repeat performer, with a new handle)

RyanChandler · Jan 15, 2013

Mtnman said:
I agree the bigger they are the bigger target they have on their back, but it doesn't just stop at show cattle. They will bash you for anything if it hits them right (from pictures to mis-spelling), and it doesn't matter much where they are from. Lautner's get it as bad as anyone and as far as their bulls go in a recent post someone ask why they had so many bulls and a good part of them you never hear much about, well it is pretty simple, they get X amount of bulls promote the ones they have a lot of money and think have the best chance for success and hope that one of the bulls that they don't promote gets some attention because people go to their web site and look at the bulls. They may only have $5k in the un-promoted bull and if they sell 500 straws on it at $20 then they more than cover their expense while they have to sell 5000 straws of the promoted bulls to cover that $50k bull. Then they lease them out for $2000 for 2 months and let someone else pay the feed bills for a little. It is a percentage game and for them every bull does not have to be the great one to pay for themselves.

Those numbers are completely hypothetical and I have no idea what they have (money wise) into their bulls, but I believe that is how they put such a big bull battery together. They are great promoters and play the game well. If just one of the un-promoted bulls really gets used and word of mouth is the best advertising (just read Steer Planet) and they sell 5000 straws he paid for himself 10 fold.

See, that's the thing. To you, it seems as if it's all about the money. To me, none of it is. See, I'm not just a driven cattleman, but a driven artist as well. I never think about money. Great things make money.

*mispelling

vc · Jan 15, 2013

If you only do it for your pleasure and do not intend to make money on it, then it is a Hobey, like showing cattle is for most. No matter how good your cattle are if you do not get them out into the public eye they will never get noticed. Same with art that is stored in the spare room, it is only great to those who see it and want or appreciate it. There is nothing wrong with making a career at something you love, but for it to be a career you have to make money at it.
I believe the saying goes "If you love your job, you never have to work a day in you life."
So how can you hold contempt for someone like the Lautners who appear to love what they do and have been successful at it. There is really nothing wrong with making money, I guess it just seems to be evil if you make to much, to some.

blackdiamond · Jan 15, 2013

vc said:
There is nothing wrong with making a career at something you love, but for it to be a career you have to make money at it.

BS

vc · Jan 15, 2013

Explain?

blackdiamond · Jan 15, 2013

vc said:
Explain?

Livestock for one-- many people makre a career from raising them, or showing them-- yet I know very few who actually make a profit doing such... Just enough to break even and stay afloat.
Making money to me, means making a profit... I can think of lots of things that make me money, but sure don't make a profit... Like the sheep- average alot of money in the selling of breeding stock, but sure don't make a profit.

RyanChandler · Jan 15, 2013

vc said:
If you only do it for your pleasure and do not intend to make money on it, then it is a Hobey, like showing cattle is for most. No matter how good your cattle are if you do not get them out into the public eye they will never get noticed. Same with art that is stored in the spare room, it is only great to those who see it and want or appreciate it. There is nothing wrong with making a career at something you love, but for it to be a career you have to make money at it.
I believe the saying goes "If you love your job, you never have to work a day in you life."
So how can you hold contempt for someone like the Lautners who appear to love what they do and have been successful at it. There is really nothing wrong with making money, I guess it just seems to be evil if you make to much, to some.

I can't image satisfaction coming from the acceptance of others. If the art "in the spare room" is truely great, its doesn't have to be validated or desired by others to be worthy. Maybe I'm the exception but I'd rather give a bull away to a producer that has genuine sentiment for his herd than to sell a bull to someone who, but for money, lacked passion. I have so much sentimentality associated with cattle in general that I can't help it but get a little sideways when I hear of people promotioning cattle, or even philophies for that matter, that I believe are counter productive to the advancement of the cattle industry.

KSanburg · Jan 15, 2013

-XBAR- said:
Mtnman said:

I agree the bigger they are the bigger target they have on their back, but it doesn't just stop at show cattle. They will bash you for anything if it hits them right (from pictures to mis-spelling), and it doesn't matter much where they are from. Lautner's get it as bad as anyone and as far as their bulls go in a recent post someone ask why they had so many bulls and a good part of them you never hear much about, well it is pretty simple, they get X amount of bulls promote the ones they have a lot of money and think have the best chance for success and hope that one of the bulls that they don't promote gets some attention because people go to their web site and look at the bulls. They may only have $5k in the un-promoted bull and if they sell 500 straws on it at $20 then they more than cover their expense while they have to sell 5000 straws of the promoted bulls to cover that $50k bull. Then they lease them out for $2000 for 2 months and let someone else pay the feed bills for a little. It is a percentage game and for them every bull does not have to be the great one to pay for themselves.

Those numbers are completely hypothetical and I have no idea what they have (money wise) into their bulls, but I believe that is how they put such a big bull battery together. They are great promoters and play the game well. If just one of the un-promoted bulls really gets used and word of mouth is the best advertising (just read Steer Planet) and they sell 5000 straws he paid for himself 10 fold.

Click to expand...

See, that's the thing. To you, it seems as if it's all about the money. To me, none of it is. See, I'm not just a driven cattleman, but a driven artist as well. I never think about money. Great things make money.

*mispelling

“Misspelling” was intentionally misspelled just for you Ryan as you were the only one that would bite on that topic; it just shows how you want to bash someone. Oh and by the way you misspelled, “mispelling”.

trevorgreycattleco · Jan 15, 2013

Are you a multiplier or a breeder? Do you chase the latest heifer at so and so's place or do you prefer to breed your own? Opinions are part of free speech. Maybe when folks speak out against something they see something better. My ol man always told me that you should start worrying when nobody says anything. It means they gave up.

IMO money is a necessary evil. But if you are in this business just to make money then I'm more then likely not going to want your genetics. Passion and debate are good signs of moving ahead. If history tells us anything it's that the cattle never stay the same. The trick is seeing down the road around the corner and trying to produce animals that will thrive in this environment.

I have no problem with anybody being successful. Who doesn't want that. The problem arises when the customers who paid good money for a animal get it home and it doesn't even come close to how it was advertised. "easy fleshing , easy calving, docile, born in April but really January. Huge calf. If it lives the mom doesn't milk.

JTM · Jan 16, 2013

vc said:
(Let me first state, that it is not all promoters of this breed just certain individuals who seem to have a bur under their saddle, and their way is the only way to raise cattle)
Over the last year or so I have noticed a trend that seems to reoccur over and over. A certain percentage of breeders for a specific breed seem to enjoy coming to this show cattle based web site and condemning show cattle, I for one have no problem with the breed but do find their protest entertaining as well as the discussions that ensue.
At first I just assumed it was because they did not like losing to club type cattle, although their breed shows up in many of the club calves pedigrees. Then I just thought they need a place to go to voice their opinion on the superiority of their cattle and how they manage the herd. Then it occurred to me, this is the only format where they can somewhat be taken seriously. They get laughed at on the commercial cattle based websites, some go visit and point out to the commercial guys how they are doing it wrong for a little while but they always seem to come back.
What gets me the most though is how they even show animosity to others who promote/raise the same breed of cattle. One would think that if they wanted to promote and grow their breed they would first need to come together and join forces, many of the people on this site that raise the breed are polite, conscientious and seem to have a wealth of knowledge of both cattle and their specific breed.
I prefer the people who show you what they have, tell you how they did it, and let you decide if that is right for you, on the other hand I am more than likely to blow the other type that points out everyone else’s cattle’s faults and how your are doing it all wrong. I have been impressed by many of the cattle posted on here from that breed, I sometimes think it is not the cattle that are the problem for the breed it is some of the breeders that might be holding them back.
I will also like to ask "what is it with Illinois, are you people not happy there" if my memory serves my right Outspoken was from IL. wasn't he.

What is it with some people? I agree! What is it with you starting this thread? Are you a drama queen? King? Do you like to get a rise out of people and then sit back and watch the entertainment? There is a name for what you are doing and it's called "stirring the pot". Somebody once said, "passion and debate are good signs of moving ahead". I say let's move ahead and dump this discussion and start talking about cattle...

vc · Jan 16, 2013

First of all you can choose not to open a subject once you see that it is not one you care to read, but apparently you can't help but go back a read what is posted, kind of like a wreck on the freeway you have to look. I get a little fed up with the bashing of show cattle , when this is a show calf based site. I for one do not think slamming ones cattle for your own pleasure or trying to make you feel better about your own cattle is what this site is for. If some ask for an opinion on an animal, than giving an opinion is warranted, it should still be done with some manners and respect.

JTM · Jan 16, 2013

I can't help but think that you are slamming people for your own pleasure or trying to make you feel better about your cattle program by trying to silence legitimate cattle debating... You asked for my opinion about what is it with some people and I gave it. I think the forum is for learning about cattle, steers are for beef, steers can be shown, this is STEERPLANET. You did get one thing right though, I did have to look at the wreck on the freeway. ;D

I will continue to tell the truth about my experience.

What is it with some people?

Help Support Steer Planet:

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

Well-known member

JTM

Guest

Well-known member

JTM

Guest