What is your definition of a terminal show????

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SlickTxMaine

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We had a meeting last night for our local FFA/4-H show.  The board added a rule this year that our show will now be a terminal show, but did not give any specifics.  My definition of terminal is that the child that showed the animal does not get to take it home and the animal can not go on to be shown at any more shows.  Well, some parents already came up with loopholes.  At our sale the animals are bought by a number of buyers.  There is a bid sheet for each child and any number of individuals can commit an amount from $50. on up for that child's animal.  There is no minimum amount an animal can bring, but there are caps for reserve, blues, etc.  Even parents and family members can put money towards a child's animal, and hence become a buyer.  Seldom do the buyers actually want the animal.  The sale is basically for publicity for businesses and for individuals to show support for the kids.  In the past, if the buyers did not want the animal, it was either resold at market value or the child took the animal home.  So, at the meeting, some parents said, " if I put some money towards my child's animal, I am then a buyer and can take the animal home as a buyer".  There was also nothing specified in the rules that the animal can not be shown at any subsequent shows.  So, my question is, "What does termial mean".  What I thought it meant, is obviously not what others think it means.  What do you all consider a termial show to be?  Sorry this is so long!! ;D
 

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A terminal show is one that after the show all the animals have to go to kill.  Whether that be at a packing plant or at a locker.
 

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Here in Florida most of our fairs are terminal shows and that means all the animals entered in the show will be sold after the show then sent staright to slaughter. The buyer can not take the animal home. The fairs haul all the animals to the slaughter house and the buyer will pick up their meat when its ready. If you take your steer home after it is sold you can be fined up to $10000. We had a problem a few years ago at one of the fairs where the kid took the steer home and it caused a lot of problems.
 

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SKF said:
Here in Florida most of our fairs are terminal shows and that means all the animals entered in the show will be sold after the show then sent straight to slaughter. The buyer can not take the animal home. The fairs haul all the animals to the slaughter house and the buyer will pick up their meat when its ready. If you take your steer home after it is sold you can be fined up to $10000. We had a problem a few years ago at one of the fairs where the kid took the steer home and it caused a lot of problems.

This is how it works at our county fair, Some of the steers go to the university of Florida feedlot, the ones that aren't finished yet. the At our fair the buyer can choose to "custom Kill" or to not take the meat of the steer, hog, or goat. On the other hand you can buy back the animal for a set price that is determined the day of the sale. I have bought back a market animal before. But only the exhibitor/family can do that.
 

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HT said:
SKF said:
Here in Florida most of our fairs are terminal shows and that means all the animals entered in the show will be sold after the show then sent straight to slaughter. The buyer can not take the animal home. The fairs haul all the animals to the slaughter house and the buyer will pick up their meat when its ready. If you take your steer home after it is sold you can be fined up to $10000. We had a problem a few years ago at one of the fairs where the kid took the steer home and it caused a lot of problems.

This is how it works at our county fair, Some of the steers go to the university of Florida feedlot, the ones that aren't finished yet. the At our fair the buyer can choose to "custom Kill" or to not take the meat of the steer, hog, or goat. On the other hand you can buy back the animal for a set price that is determined the day of the sale. I have bought back a market animal before. But only the exhibitor/family can do that.

Your from Florida right? What kind of market animal did you take home? A few years ago we had a kid pick up his steer from the slaughter house because the buyer gave the animal back. It turned out he got in a lot of trouble and after that the Florida Dept. Of Ag. came to our 4H meeting and explained that by law once a steer is entered and sold at a terminal show in the state it has to go to slaughter they can take the steer back home to finish out iof needed but you have to go through the state. if the animal does not go to slaughter you can be fined up to $10,000. They said that they were going to start cracking down on it. Now heifers and some other market animals are different. I would check with the dept. of ag before taking home a market steer in the state of Florida. Unless the rules have changed in the last few years.
 

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Imo a terminal show is just that the animal must be harvested as soon as the show is over. A few years ago when pseudorabies was an issue if you took a hog to the fair it was the end of the road. Didn't matter if it weighed 100 lbs it was going to market, reguardless of the buyer. 
 

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This is where I am confused, as some of these kids will end up "buying back" their animals and taking them on to Houston of San Antonio.  In my opinion, that is not a terminal show!!  I wanted to get more opinions before I approach the board and ask them to clarify their definition of "terminal".  Does anyone know if Texas Ag Dept. has any rules on this, like Florida??
 

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If it is truely a terminal show the show officials make all of the arrangement with the packer and arrange for trucking.  The owners will be paid market value for their project. So unless you have packer that is willing to stick their neck out there shouldnt be a problem.  It sounds like if you want to exhibit at this particular show and a Major in Texas you are going to need 2 sets of animals
 

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SKF said:
HT said:
SKF said:
Here in Florida most of our fairs are terminal shows and that means all the animals entered in the show will be sold after the show then sent straight to slaughter. The buyer can not take the animal home. The fairs haul all the animals to the slaughter house and the buyer will pick up their meat when its ready. If you take your steer home after it is sold you can be fined up to $10000. We had a problem a few years ago at one of the fairs where the kid took the steer home and it caused a lot of problems.

This is how it works at our county fair, Some of the steers go to the university of Florida feedlot, the ones that aren't finished yet. the At our fair the buyer can choose to "custom Kill" or to not take the meat of the steer, hog, or goat. On the other hand you can buy back the animal for a set price that is determined the day of the sale. I have bought back a market animal before. But only the exhibitor/family can do that.

Your from Florida right? What kind of market animal did you take home? A few years ago we had a kid pick up his steer from the slaughter house because the buyer gave the animal back. It turned out he got in a lot of trouble and after that the Florida Dept. Of Ag. came to our 4H meeting and explained that by law once a steer is entered and sold at a terminal show in the state it has to go to slaughter they can take the steer back home to finish out iof needed but you have to go through the state. if the animal does not go to slaughter you can be fined up to $10,000. They said that they were going to start cracking down on it. Now heifers and some other market animals are different. I would check with the dept. of ag before taking home a market steer in the state of Florida. Unless the rules have changed in the last few years.

I had a goat that had hurt himself, I took him home after the sale. but never a steer.. by that time I was kinda ready to get a new one, not to sound mean. But some of the steers go to feedlots, and the hogs and goats go to a market i think. I know the state fair steers all go up north to be fed out more before harvesting. But only the "custom Kills" go straight to slaughter.
 

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Duffer said:
If it is truely a terminal show the show officials make all of the arrangement with the packer and arrange for trucking.  The owners will be paid market value for their project. So unless you have packer that is willing to stick their neck out there shouldnt be a problem.  It sounds like if you want to exhibit at this particular show and a Major in Texas you are going to need 2 sets of animals

Yep.
 

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the kids sale the calf in the premium sale. the buyers put forth their money, get the picture and thanks from your 4-her and then the slaughterhouses pay market price and add that onto your total sale's. so say your kids calf weighs 1250. he sales in the premium sale for 1000 dollars. if the buyer doesn't want the meat, they only pay the premium, the calf goes to a house and they pay market.

now, if your buyer does want the meat, they pay market price. all calves go to the same slaughter house immediately after sale. they buyers who do want the meat get it butchered at the same facility. that's how ours does it anyway.
 

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At a terminal show all animals are killed after the show, they do not load back out, they go to the packer from the show.
Now there are different ways to handle this, at our county show once you have sold your animal you can not show it anywhere else, but you can take it back home if you purchase it from the packer, but that is not a terminal show.
 

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knabe said:
SD said:
After an old steer jock's last show they take him out back and hang him. ;) ;)

is it all used for hamburger?

Nope - glue - since they never enter the human food chain the withdrawals of decades of various and sundry concoctions are irrelevant  ;)

next time you buy glue think of your old favorite steer jock - mumble a few words of thanks btwn chewing
 

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How many steer jocks does it take to show one calf? I saw a winners photo the other day. There was aproximately 30 people in the photo. One kid, 9 fitters,grandpa( I assume he is in charge of the trust fund), one judge(sqaushed up against someone in bermuda shorts),3 representatives of feed companies,3 people who traded the steer around before it was actually sold to the trust fund,2 drunk guys that noone has a clue who they are(apparently they just walked up and got into the picture). There was one kid in the photo and he looked like he was pissed cause his video game was interuppted for the photo. ;D
 
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