who is the best red angus bull

Im not familiar with the red angus breed as a whole.  I have a red limi cow who I want to cross on a red angus so I can show the offspring in limi class at my county fair.  Both of the calves she has had were too tall and lacked width.  Her calves profile well and have enough bone.  I would be happy with either bulls or heifers.

I went threw a lot of red angus bulls this fall looking for our new heard bull and the site group i was most impressed with was the Epic calves he is an ABS bull. All the calves I seen were really stout some of the stoutest red angus I have ever seen.

I sounds like you might want to moderate some size and put some width in them, I would look at some of the 5L bred bulls. I seem some of their cattle this spring and thought they were really good in those aspects.

I looked at fat tony, perfect storm, detour.  Thats just looking at pictures, they might not do any of the things im looking for. 

hedgesjp1985 said:

I looked at fat tony, perfect storm, detour.  Thats just looking at pictures, they might not do any of the things im looking for.

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Of these 3 I think that Detour is the best. Usage of him increases every year which speaks volumes. JMO.

Fat Tony will not decrease frame.
I really like the Firestorm calves I have gotten this year. Seem to be thick, stylish and yet have performance so far.
Hamley will decrease frame but does not have any performance.
As suggested 5L bulls will decrease frame, but I personally have not used them due to that fact.
Sakic will decrease frame. He is well proven and is marketable.
Genex carries a new bull called Redemption which show promise, and they also carry Mission Statement which is another well proven bull.

I can not comment on Detour or perfect storm, as I have no experience with him.

One thing I might add, is to be cautious of using bulls that do not have a program behind them. Several bulls have been promoted by people who have just hopped on the "red craze" and are now passing themselves off as red angus breeders. I am not saying the cattle are bad, but question their authenticity since they appear to be followers and not leaders. This is strictly my opinion.

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One thing I might add, is to be cautious of using bulls that do not have a program behind them. Several bulls have been promoted by people who have just hopped on the "red craze" and are now passing themselves off as red angus breeders. I am not saying the cattle are bad, but question their authenticity since they appear to be followers and not leaders. This is strictly my opinion.

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And what does any of that have to do w/ who the best bull is?  Why would the owner's authenticity have any bearing on the individual quality of the animal? I just don't get it! I would never discredit an animal because of who his breeder was. 

How is Firestorm structurally?  He looks really straight in his rear wheels in his pictures.  Not bashing the bull at all, profiles real weel imo until the rear wheels.  Any thoughts from those that have seen him in person or the calves he throws?

  Just curious as to what PPL's thoughts are about the Andras bulls that are heavily black Angus influenced. I like the looks of the Genex bull Andras New Direction R240 bull and am watching the ABS bull Andras Fusion R236. Interesting breeding on both bulls and has taken time and forethought to produce the bloodlines.

xbar - I have chosen to do business with people I respect and trust.  If I do not trust the owner/breeder than I question the authenticity of the animal; pedigree, bw, ww, etc.  It is a personal decision.  If a person is a liar and cheater, how can you trust the animal is actually honestly represented? I can not, so therefore, I have chosen to stay away from such animals. You can make your own choice.
I and my checkbook have walked away from plenty of good animals due to their owner/breeder.  And I will continue to do so. Too many good animals owned by good people to deal with "butt heads".

CAB - I have chosen not to use red angus that are offspring of black angus.  If I wanted to breed black angus, I would raise blacks and not reds  <beer>.  I do realize that red angus did derive from black angus way back when, but to use black genetics now, just does not make sense to me. New Direction does look interesting but I am not a fan a Mytty in Focus, so.
Strictly a personal decision, and each can do as they see fit for their operation.

I would agree with CAB on Detour and I know that Sakic would moderate and really thicken them up.

Has anyone seen or have offspring from Trotters Stronghold?

Maybe as good a heifer I have seen was a Sakic, this b**** would hurt you. Several lean that way. 
There are some good bulls out there but this idea that if I want a black pedigree I will breed blacks is a bit put of focus I think.  The red gene pool is shallower than a 16 year old blondes thought process.  The bull of a few years back, That went by a Shakespeare name was about as counterfeit as could be,  record selling price, semen not so very good,  supposedly contaminated at the stud  with manure,  hopefully buzzard bait in some ravine somewhere, owner disbarred.  Boy just fits the people you want to do business with.  The whole deal is EPDS were invented so people with no cow knowledge were cow literate.
You need to look at cattle and know what will work and what won't.  There are bulls out there that will fit what you want,  just a lot of digging is required.  Check out the rockn r in Kansas.  Bulls have some stout, some doing ability, we use one and are very happy with the calves.

BTDT said:

xbar - I have chosen to do business with people I respect and trust.  If I do not trust the owner/breeder than I question the authenticity of the animal; pedigree, bw, ww, etc.  It is a personal decision.  If a person is a liar and cheater, how can you trust the animal is actually honestly represented? I can not, so therefore, I have chosen to stay away from such animals. You can make your own choice.
I and my checkbook have walked away from plenty of good animals due to their owner/breeder.  And I will continue to do so. Too many good animals owned by good people to deal with "butt heads".

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I absolutely agree!!! That's just not the same picture you painted above.  Above, you referenced 'newcomers' who didn't have a long-standing program behind them.

What about any of the majestic meadows bulls gran torino or lightning

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BTDT said:

One thing I might add, is to be cautious of using bulls that do not have a program behind them. Several bulls have been promoted by people who have just hopped on the "red craze" and are now passing themselves off as red angus breeders. I am not saying the cattle are bad, but question their authenticity since they appear to be followers and not leaders. This is strictly my opinion.

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And what does any of that have to do w/ who the best bull is?  Why would the owner's authenticity have any bearing on the individual quality of the animal? I just don't get it! I would never discredit an animal because of who his breeder was.

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Your post implied you did not care who the breeder was. I responded by saying I think it does matter.  The reason I prefer to use cattle from an established breeder is that the established breeder probably has a plan and has knowledge of bloodlines; whereas a "fad breeder" who simply hops on the "fad wagon" maybe just got lucky has produced a "great one" that does not have the predictability as an established breeder.  I guess to over simplify: it comes down to predictability, planning, and purpose, instead of luck.  Again, just my opinion.
(Keep in mind there are established breeders that I would not do business with either)

I bought a Detour son this spring.......really like his looks.