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Offline xxcc

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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2007, 11:02:03 PM »
i'd like to see a copy of the old maine fullblood, Calling View Teton.  a bull that was great, but whose genetics were lost due to political reasons.
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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #16 on: October 10, 2007, 10:56:53 AM »
xxcc - what were the politics? (you mean there are politics in the cattle business???)

Joe Boy - thanks for you thought re the football game - it sure was a heck of a game - would have loved for the Bills to pull it out -  I really hate it when the wrong team wins in the last 1 second (but love it when the right team wins)
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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #17 on: October 10, 2007, 11:21:39 AM »
here's his link

http://maine-anjou.weaveyourwebdreams.com/breed/pedigree.asp?RegNo=51

and the cette-la cow reappears.  xxcc mentioned she was the first maine anjou cow flushed.

perhpas the flushing had something to do with the politics and whether they could be registered? similar to the angus situation way back?

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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #18 on: October 10, 2007, 11:31:55 AM »
CETTE-LA was the first MA cow flushed in NA - flushed to Epinal she produced 22 eggs  but there were only 10 recips and eggs weren't frozen then. There were 8 calves -  6 bulls and one heifer (one bull died) -don't know the politics - maybe red hide? those guys in Montana... ;D

The cow came from France to Canada and was owned by someone from Japan
claves were

Calling View Teton
HSF Sam 80E (aka PTR Epinal 80E)
PTR Epic 83E
PTR Epinal 81E
PTR Epinal 82E
PTR Epinal 84E (aka Sundowner Epinal 84E)
PTR Miss Epinal 85E
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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2007, 08:00:27 PM »
no such thing as mute.

supposedly some male mitochondria are "injected" into the egg during fertilization but are quickly chewn to bits as foreign bodies

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sXrkIrXQkFQJ:www.sciencenews.org/pages/pdfs/data/2000/157-01/15701-06.pdf+sperm+mitochondria+egg&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a

i haven't seen a process in biology that is absolute yet, and if there is a selective advantage, it will be retained.  click a few of the links

this creates a problem in deciding law as gray lines are thin to wide in biology, rather than black and white.  nevertheless, biology discriminates as choices are reproducible within a certain probability.

ponzi schemes such as our social security system which used to be based on 42 workers for every recipient now has less than 5 workers for every recipient, which is the major reason we need immigrants because we killed at least 50 million taxpayers through choice since 1973 legallaly alone.  i would say the gray line on social security is about to fail.  it was saved for a few years by taking away health care for retired veterans in a landmark court case which said veterans were guaranteed only verbally, rather than written.  who's next?  you can bet it will be a law abiding citizen.

sorry moot
and it would be next to impossible for male mitochondria to be passed down but my genetics prof. would not rule out the possibility
don't know where your going with the s.s. comment but ya there will be no money for me.
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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2007, 08:24:41 PM »
I'd love to clone Paddy O' Mally, Irish Whiskey, Whiskey 7, Wild Card, Heat Wave....a lot of the best bulls around....along with the best club calf dams i could find.

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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2007, 09:15:07 PM »
I'd love to clone Paddy O' Mally, Irish Whiskey, Whiskey 7, Wild Card, Heat Wave....a lot of the best bulls around....along with the best club calf dams i could find.

WHY?? ??? ???
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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #22 on: October 11, 2007, 01:52:07 AM »
in the opinion of many of the people that used him, Teton was the best bull of the flush.  easy calver, good growth, but more moderate in height, a lot of red, good disposition and good milk.

here's the politics.  81E stayed in Canada.  83E sold into the US first and for more money, I think $100,000, just less than Dollar II, the previous high selling bull.  Teton cost $52,000.  So, since 83E sold first and for more money, that meant he was a better bull right?  well anyway, Select Sires leased Teton and put up 10,000+ units, royalties were to be paid 50-50 between the two owners.  due to a royal mess up on the Canadian side, Teton along with some other fullblood cows were held up at the Canadian border for 21 days before they could be imported, all due to some idiot transposing 2 numbers on a metal ID tag when recorded on the paperwork.  SO, Teton's semen wasn't collected and on the market in time for the first breeding season, thus 83E and others like 82E, 84E, Denver Nugget, Rambler's 3M Elegant and Paramount were on the market sooner and were able to capitalize on the hype at the time. So, Teton's semen sales the first year were not exactly substantial.  By the next year, Cunia, Capone and Covino III, Epinal and the like had been proving their worth, with their semen becoming more readily available as well.  hence, not a lot of Teton semen was sold outside of our local area.  everyone that we knew that bought it, used it up because they liked him and he was still alive, so more would alway be available right?  well, so now here's the part that will make you sick.  the last of our Teton semen was in a tank that was supposed to be under the supervision of a Select Sires rep.  he let the tank go dry and in it was many units of Teton, Capone, Covino III, Crack, Cunia, Coca Cola, Dabla, and some Parisien, the Simmental bull. 

here's the kicker, the other owner was a bristly old blister.  she felt that Select Sires was not promoting Teton enough and his sales should have been higher...either that or her cut of the royalties should have been more.  this was in the 80s when the cattle market was off and the market for French cattle was sliding.  she ticked off the Managers at All West Select Sires.  they owned the semen, the storage was costing them more than was worth to deal with the old hide that was aggrevating them, so they dumped the inventory.

the last Teton semen that I knew of was in Harding's inventory.  he had a very nice herdsman >:(, that pitched every thing that he had never heard of, like Teton amd the bull called Eruption - easy calver with explosive growth.

to my knowledge, there were never any fullbloods sired by Teton.  that's why i would clone him.
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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #23 on: October 11, 2007, 02:19:31 PM »

179566
BMR MAGIC KAYLA - 3/4 Maine-Anjou  Bred by Baker-Moore Ranch Tishomingo, OK
Purchased by us.

An easy choice for me.  Sire: FR Magic  Dam: 1/2MA, 1/2AN Sired by AA Black Gold 500
Most correct, highest volume, most feminine cow I ever saw.  We just didn't get enough calves
out of her.  Found her dead close to the road one day   Never found the hole, but I'm sure she was shot.

One of her daughters sired by Polleroid is pictured in our Avitar.
 

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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #24 on: October 11, 2007, 10:04:05 PM »
I know there are a ton of Sonny sons and they have bred a full brother to Sonny. But, I really like his females. I would love to have him back again. 500 to 700  a straw is crazy.
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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2007, 04:54:09 PM »
I would like to clone some of the old shorthorns from say the 1940's , before the baby beef deal in the 60's? Same for the angus and herfords. These cattle didn't get anything but salt for the most part. Survival of the fittest, no mineral or supplementation or whatever.They might not be any good but it would be great to at least have their germ plasm to study. There was probably some ole bull somewhere that was perfect in all the dna test's including effiecency and everything that was undiscovered and never utilized and steered and sold in a salebarn for.50 cents a pound.
They also didn't get to stay around, unless they reproduced, without trouble.

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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2007, 07:51:34 PM »
arent there like 5 clones of heatwave  ???

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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2007, 01:06:43 PM »
My votes are for
Shorthorn: LR Randolph 14th. Used by Dover Sindelar, He really stood out. People say he weighed 2600-plus, in his working britches. Was rock-solid, not flabby, yet soft enough. Big  & sound footed, extreme heel depth on the rear feet. Was only a 5 frame, and was so masculine, he had a tough time swishing the flies off his back & tail head with his head ( because he was so masculine-necked with a Bison-like crest).
Santa Gertrudis: The ultimate in line-breeding, noneother than Monkey. Whether or not you appreciate tropically-adapted bovines, no other single sire lives up to the title of "Progenitor".
Angus: Shearbrook Shoshone. The first big "Black Bull". Produced by selection pressure within a breeding population. Wasn't a Counterfeit (No Holstein, Swiss, Chi,Beef Friesian, or Maine), uniquely unliike so many more to follow during the race for "performance". He set the standard within the Angus breed for twenty years.
Charolais: Baldridge FastTrack. The first Charolais bull to impress me with his consistency. Never saw a "dink" or, "dud" outta him.

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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2010, 03:29:57 PM »
i just came across this bit of research and thought it pretty pertinent and while searching for a thread to attach, thought that the newer members might get a kick out of it.

http://www.ncsu.edu/news/press_releases/03_04/113.htm

this is pretty old data, but couldn't find it in discussions before.  there have been lots of questions on why the cloned animals don't look exactly like the donor and if the calves from said clones are the same as from the original, this explains fairly well in simple terms. 

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Re: Who would you clone?
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2010, 03:43:24 PM »
Does anyone know if there are Dream On or 3C Macho clones?  If not, I'd add those to the list of the bulls that have already been mentioned.

I'd clone 2 of my dogs.   

There are a few horses I can think of that should've been cloned - Zippo Pine Bar is one..   

 

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