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Title: Who would you clone?
Post by: afhm on October 07, 2007, 04:45:48 PM
Here is another spin off of Show Heifer's thread.  If you could clone any cow/steer/bull dead or alive, whether you own it or not what would you choose.  You can pick more than 1.

For me I would consider these cows Cookie, 4072, Harrieta, Chill Factor 602g

Bulls: Meyer 734, Traveler 6807, Draft Pick, Heat Wave, Full Flush, Cunia, Sonny, Trump, Irish Whiskey, Wyoming Wind, Carney Man

Steers: Haymes's last Fort Worth champ, Beville's Fort Worth champ, Brown Sisters KC champ, Wilcox's KC Champ, Copus's reserve at Fort Worth(the shorthorn)
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Zach on October 07, 2007, 06:44:09 PM
good question, bulls: 734, cunia, WMW and H seeker, FR magic, Sonny(short.)  You could clone a million bulls for everyones opinion  ;D
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Doc on October 07, 2007, 07:05:57 PM
 shorthorn cows- Casino 100, Rose T90, Margie 924, Augusta Pride 3127& 6127, Cumberland 410, I could go on for a few more  (clapping)
                 
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Cowboy on October 08, 2007, 12:03:56 AM
 (lol) Just for the hell of it, I think I would clone myself -- that way, when I get too old to further antogonize all you goos folks, my REPLACEMENT would be well on his way to taking over for me!!! hehehehe (clapping) (clapping)

I just coulnd't resit -- seeing how I have met hundreds of really GOOD people I love to pick on over the years, and for SURE -- almost as many people I would love to make misserable as long as possible!!!!

As Lee and Tiffany from the hunting show would say --

"" Life is good -- Life is FINE "" hehehe

See ya -- and yes -- I most deffinately AM still alive -- just as mean as ever too I might add!!!

Terry
 :o
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: knabe on October 08, 2007, 09:02:51 AM
moderate framed, high growth rate maine anjou bulls whose performance records showed a propensity to marble on grass at an early age, relatively speaking who showed good flex in their pasterns, good hock set, smaller head.  these were probably ignored during the import of maines in the late 60's, early 70's.  the place i would look would have been someone with larger pastures, as the place they come from has decent grass with more than adequate rainfall, requiring less foot travel.  a bull with a name, that would be easy, vainqueur.  cows, smithbuilt's full sister. 
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: ELBEE on October 08, 2007, 09:23:45 AM
Some great scientific minds have developed, and made huge strides in the last ? years. But, in my small mind the truly visionary, seekers, searchers, revolutionary's; and all those other superlatives that fit, are the ones that will bring us the future, from they're back pasture. And y'all can probably put names and faces to them.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Show Heifer on October 08, 2007, 10:59:39 AM
My first thought, is why would you want to clone an old animal?  MY thinking if you are BUILDING a herd, and are doing your selections right, shouldn't the next generation ALWAYS be better than the two animals it took to make it? Granted their are exceptions (heavens I hope so...I just flushed a cow to 734!!!) but 95% of the time it SHOULD be true.

That being said....I would clone my little red cow. Breeds with semen thrown at her, weans off 60-70% of her body weight, is easy keeping, easy handling. I love that cow. Yes, I should flush her. (clapping)

I  agree with Cookie, she was truely a great cow.

But as far as bulls go....I guess nothing comes to mind....
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: justintime on October 08, 2007, 11:24:48 AM
Right on Elbee!   You are exactly right.  As I have said on here before, I believe there are cattle breeders and cattle multipliers. Both groups are needed in a successful cattle industry. Cattle breeders are constantly looking for the next piece of the puzzle, and always looking for new genetics to add to their breeding program, that will continue to move the quality of their program in the direction they want it to go. This direction will change from time to time, but cattle breeders seldom follow anyone, unless they are convinced that it will advance their breeding program. True cattle breeders hav a rwal concern for the bettermeant of a breed and the cattle industry as a whole. Of course they are concerned about their own success, however, they consider more than the dollars they can generate when making a breeding choice.
 Cattle multipliers, on the other hand are the majority, by a large margin. Their breeding program is less precise, and they oftentimes chase the fads and fashions of the day. Cattle multipliers will oftentimes continue to stack popular bloodlines in a pedigree, rather than seek for an outcross or try something new. Cattle multipliers are more focused on one part of the industry ( such as the production of show steer and heifers ) than the entire industry. Cattle multipliers are an essential part of any breed and of the cattle industry as a whole.
As for what animal I would like to flush, I can think of several that could be candidates. I really question if cloning is required to advance any part of the cattle industry. Any bull that is worth considering, should have produced sons that arebetter breeding pieces, than themselves. Any female worth considering, should have produced offspring that are better breeding pieces, than herself. If improvement is a consideration for cloning, we all should be seeking for the sons and daughters of these cattle that can take us to the next level, rather than having to clone any animal.  There is a word that I have not heard used in the cattle industry for many years. This work is " Prepotent" A prepotent sire was a sire that produced sons and daughters better than either parent. Don't hear this anyone. I often wonder why?
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: knabe on October 08, 2007, 12:25:41 PM

prepotency , it is extremely diffcult from a statistical perspective to have a prepotent individual that is not linebred or is a statistical recombination freak odds defier by chance.  leo, a quarter horse comes to mind.

based on most programs i've seen, most people don't line breed long enough or cull enough for these indivuduals to surface.  for me, a prepotent individual can include individuals who can be as good as their parents, but improve a trait of interest.  it's funny someone mentioned a twisted front leg on a cow on another thread.  quarter horses were famous for this.  for me, i would gladly take a sire who could maintain every other trait, but improve that one trait and i would consider them prepotent.  some leg problems in horses can be traced to a problem higher up and an animal gets used to eating with one leg forward, and when they grow, it gets accentuated.  if you line breed this or cross to another animal with a similar problem, suddenly you can get into trouble.  i think i mentioned before, anxiety the 4th i thinkhad one leg shorter than the other and he had a shoe put on one foot to even him out.  can't remember if it was anxiety or not.

here's an interesting link

http://books.google.com/books?id=k1UaAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA485&lpg=PA485&dq=anxiety+4th+hereford&source=web&ots=J5WHJj7Zzr&sig=6L2miKseNYN49Z9PN8nV2aNYGQg#PPA486,M1

there are a couple of maine breeders doing this, but are bitten by PHA, and hopefully they will continue the lines, sans PHA.  there probably are not enough individuals from these lines, to pick a few directions that are promising besides the obvious show lines.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Jason on October 08, 2007, 05:05:31 PM
I would clone myself, and make my clone work all the time, while I relax ;).  Unfortunately it would probably end up like the movie mutliplicity.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: DL on October 08, 2007, 09:23:16 PM
Right on Elbee!   You are exactly right.  As I have said on here before, I believe there are cattle breeders and cattle multipliers. Both groups are needed in a successful cattle industry. Cattle breeders are constantly looking for the next piece of the puzzle, and always looking for new genetics to add to their breeding program, that will continue to move the quality of their program in the direction they want it to go. This direction will change from time to time, but cattle breeders seldom follow anyone, unless they are convinced that it will advance their breeding program. True cattle breeders hav a rwal concern for the bettermeant of a breed and the cattle industry as a whole. Of course they are concerned about their own success, however, they consider more than the dollars they can generate when making a breeding choice.
 Cattle multipliers, on the other hand are the majority, by a large margin. Their breeding program is less precise, and they oftentimes chase the fads and fashions of the day. Cattle multipliers will oftentimes continue to stack popular bloodlines in a pedigree, rather than seek for an outcross or try something new. Cattle multipliers are more focused on one part of the industry ( such as the production of show steer and heifers ) than the entire industry. Cattle multipliers are an essential part of any breed and of the cattle industry as a whole.
As for what animal I would like to flush, I can think of several that could be candidates. I really question if cloning is required to advance any part of the cattle industry. Any bull that is worth considering, should have produced sons that arebetter breeding pieces, than themselves. Any female worth considering, should have produced offspring that are better breeding pieces, than herself. If improvement is a consideration for cloning, we all should be seeking for the sons and daughters of these cattle that can take us to the next level, rather than having to clone any animal.  There is a word that I have not heard used in the cattle industry for many years. This work is " Prepotent" A prepotent sire was a sire that produced sons and daughters better than either parent. Don't hear this anyone. I often wonder why?

This might get me membership into the lunatic fringe but here goes.

JIT - I agree with you but have another view to add to why I wouldn't clone something (perhaps Cowboy, but maybe not - read on) - the science behind cloning and other cell manipulation is interesting from the standpoint of what we can do and what we have learned, but what you get when you clone is basically a genetically identical (chromosomal DNA) individual - but what you don't get is the soul, the substance, the being, the essence, the individuality of the creature - anybody who has spent any time with cattle(or almost any other species) knows that they have personalities, they are different from their neighbors, and so if you clone Gertrude it would look like Gertrude but wouldn't be Gertrude - and that to me is pretty scary
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: gatorbait on October 09, 2007, 12:07:25 PM


JIT - I agree with you but have another view to add to why I wouldn't clone something (perhaps Cowboy, but maybe not - read on) - the science behind cloning and other cell manipulation is interesting from the standpoint of what we can do and what we have learned, but what you get when you clone is basically a genetically identical (chromosomal DNA) individual - but what you don't get is the soul, the substance, the being, the essence, the individuality of the creature - anybody who has spent any time with cattle(or almost any other species) knows that they have personalities, they are different from their neighbors, and so if you clone Gertrude it would look like Gertrude but wouldn't be Gertrude - and that to me is pretty scary[/color][/b]
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Thats not scary it just shows the influence environment has on development. Its no different than having a identical twin although genetically speaking they are identical it is quit obvious they are individuals. I hope everyone here understands that although it seems to escape many in the general populace thanks in large part to the scfi horror genre.

On a more interesting note I wonder what effect the cell donor makes on the clone. As I understand the process dna from a one cell embryo is removed and replaced with the dna of the animal to be cloned. Leaving the animal with mitochondrial dna from the cell donor. Thats probable pretty insignificant but until more research is done I would  want to use an embryos from the female being cloned. On the male side this is mute of course because mitochondrial dna is passed down the female lineage.

my list of animals to clone 734 wmw hs from a club calf perspective of course 
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: knabe on October 09, 2007, 12:48:48 PM
no such thing as mute.

supposedly some male mitochondria are "injected" into the egg during fertilization but are quickly chewn to bits as foreign bodies

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sXrkIrXQkFQJ:www.sciencenews.org/pages/pdfs/data/2000/157-01/15701-06.pdf+sperm+mitochondria+egg&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a

i haven't seen a process in biology that is absolute yet, and if there is a selective advantage, it will be retained.  click a few of the links

this creates a problem in deciding law as gray lines are thin to wide in biology, rather than black and white.  nevertheless, biology discriminates as choices are reproducible within a certain probability.

ponzi schemes such as our social security system which used to be based on 42 workers for every recipient now has less than 5 workers for every recipient, which is the major reason we need immigrants because we killed at least 50 million taxpayers through choice since 1973 legallaly alone.  i would say the gray line on social security is about to fail.  it was saved for a few years by taking away health care for retired veterans in a landmark court case which said veterans were guaranteed only verbally, rather than written.  who's next?  you can bet it will be a law abiding citizen.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: JbarL on October 09, 2007, 04:43:31 PM
Right on Elbee!   You are exactly right.  As I have said on here before, I believe there are cattle breeders and cattle multipliers. Both groups are needed in a successful cattle industry. Cattle breeders are constantly looking for the next piece of the puzzle, and always looking for new genetics to add to their breeding program, that will continue to move the quality of their program in the direction they want it to go. This direction will change from time to time, but cattle breeders seldom follow anyone, unless they are convinced that it will advance their breeding program. True cattle breeders hav a rwal concern for the bettermeant of a breed and the cattle industry as a whole. Of course they are concerned about their own success, however, they consider more than the dollars they can generate when making a breeding choice.
 Cattle multipliers, on the other hand are the majority, by a large margin. Their breeding program is less precise, and they oftentimes chase the fads and fashions of the day. Cattle multipliers will oftentimes continue to stack popular bloodlines in a pedigree, rather than seek for an outcross or try something new. Cattle multipliers are more focused on one part of the industry ( such as the production of show steer and heifers ) than the entire industry. Cattle multipliers are an essential part of any breed and of the cattle industry as a whole.
As for what animal I would like to flush, I can think of several that could be candidates. I really question if cloning is required to advance any part of the cattle industry. Any bull that is worth considering, should have produced sons that arebetter breeding pieces, than themselves. Any female worth considering, should have produced offspring that are better breeding pieces, than herself. If improvement is a consideration for cloning, we all should be seeking for the sons and daughters of these cattle that can take us to the next level, rather than having to clone any animal.  There is a word that I have not heard used in the cattle industry for many years. This work is " Prepotent" A prepotent sire was a sire that produced sons and daughters better than either parent. Don't hear this anyone. I often wonder why?

This might get me membership into the lunatic fringe but here goes.

JIT - I agree with you but have another view to add to why I wouldn't clone something (perhaps Cowboy, but maybe not - read on) - the science behind cloning and other cell manipulation is interesting from the standpoint of what we can do and what we have learned, but what you get when you clone is basically a genetically identical (chromosomal DNA) individual - but what you don't get is the soul, the substance, the being, the essence, the individuality of the creature - anybody who has spent any time with cattle(or almost any other species) knows that they have personalities, they are different from their neighbors, and so if you clone Gertrude it would look like Gertrude but wouldn't be Gertrude - and that to me is pretty scary

perfect analogy dl....a clone of einstien would "look" like albert.....even have the gentic "ability" to "think out of the box like einstein, but personality and thought application  wise may miss the boat completely and would be perfectently content working @ the newpaper setting print,.......its good to see that when it comes to the perfect cow....all seem to agree that the commercial qualities are what comes to the front...heart and lungs......fuzz optional....jbarl
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: aj on October 09, 2007, 08:57:44 PM
I would like to clone some of the old shorthorns from say the 1940's , before the baby beef deal in the 60's? Same for the angus and herfords. These cattle didn't get anything but salt for the most part. Survival of the fittest, no mineral or supplementation or whatever.They might not be any good but it would be great to at least have their germ plasm to study. There was probably some ole bull somewhere that was perfect in all the dna test's including effiecency and everything that was undiscovered and never utilized and steered and sold in a salebarn for.50 cents a pound.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: xxcc on October 09, 2007, 11:02:03 PM
i'd like to see a copy of the old maine fullblood, Calling View Teton.  a bull that was great, but whose genetics were lost due to political reasons.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: DL on October 10, 2007, 10:56:53 AM
xxcc - what were the politics? (you mean there are politics in the cattle business???)

Joe Boy - thanks for you thought re the football game - it sure was a heck of a game - would have loved for the Bills to pull it out -  I really hate it when the wrong team wins in the last 1 second (but love it when the right team wins)
  ;D
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: knabe on October 10, 2007, 11:21:39 AM
here's his link

http://maine-anjou.weaveyourwebdreams.com/breed/pedigree.asp?RegNo=51

and the cette-la cow reappears.  xxcc mentioned she was the first maine anjou cow flushed.

perhpas the flushing had something to do with the politics and whether they could be registered? similar to the angus situation way back?
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: DL on October 10, 2007, 11:31:55 AM
CETTE-LA was the first MA cow flushed in NA - flushed to Epinal she produced 22 eggs  but there were only 10 recips and eggs weren't frozen then. There were 8 calves -  6 bulls and one heifer (one bull died) -don't know the politics - maybe red hide? those guys in Montana... ;D

The cow came from France to Canada and was owned by someone from Japan
claves were

Calling View Teton
HSF Sam 80E (aka PTR Epinal 80E)
PTR Epic 83E
PTR Epinal 81E
PTR Epinal 82E
PTR Epinal 84E (aka Sundowner Epinal 84E)
PTR Miss Epinal 85E
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: gatorbait on October 10, 2007, 08:00:27 PM
no such thing as mute.

supposedly some male mitochondria are "injected" into the egg during fertilization but are quickly chewn to bits as foreign bodies

[url]http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:sXrkIrXQkFQJ:www.sciencenews.org/pages/pdfs/data/2000/157-01/15701-06.pdf+sperm+mitochondria+egg&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a[/url]

i haven't seen a process in biology that is absolute yet, and if there is a selective advantage, it will be retained.  click a few of the links

this creates a problem in deciding law as gray lines are thin to wide in biology, rather than black and white.  nevertheless, biology discriminates as choices are reproducible within a certain probability.

ponzi schemes such as our social security system which used to be based on 42 workers for every recipient now has less than 5 workers for every recipient, which is the major reason we need immigrants because we killed at least 50 million taxpayers through choice since 1973 legallaly alone.  i would say the gray line on social security is about to fail.  it was saved for a few years by taking away health care for retired veterans in a landmark court case which said veterans were guaranteed only verbally, rather than written.  who's next?  you can bet it will be a law abiding citizen.

sorry moot
and it would be next to impossible for male mitochondria to be passed down but my genetics prof. would not rule out the possibility
don't know where your going with the s.s. comment but ya there will be no money for me.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Turkey Creek Ranch on October 10, 2007, 08:24:41 PM
I'd love to clone Paddy O' Mally, Irish Whiskey, Whiskey 7, Wild Card, Heat Wave....a lot of the best bulls around....along with the best club calf dams i could find.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: DL on October 10, 2007, 09:15:07 PM
I'd love to clone Paddy O' Mally, Irish Whiskey, Whiskey 7, Wild Card, Heat Wave....a lot of the best bulls around....along with the best club calf dams i could find.

WHY?? ??? ???
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: xxcc on October 11, 2007, 01:52:07 AM
in the opinion of many of the people that used him, Teton was the best bull of the flush.  easy calver, good growth, but more moderate in height, a lot of red, good disposition and good milk.

here's the politics.  81E stayed in Canada.  83E sold into the US first and for more money, I think $100,000, just less than Dollar II, the previous high selling bull.  Teton cost $52,000.  So, since 83E sold first and for more money, that meant he was a better bull right?  well anyway, Select Sires leased Teton and put up 10,000+ units, royalties were to be paid 50-50 between the two owners.  due to a royal mess up on the Canadian side, Teton along with some other fullblood cows were held up at the Canadian border for 21 days before they could be imported, all due to some idiot transposing 2 numbers on a metal ID tag when recorded on the paperwork.  SO, Teton's semen wasn't collected and on the market in time for the first breeding season, thus 83E and others like 82E, 84E, Denver Nugget, Rambler's 3M Elegant and Paramount were on the market sooner and were able to capitalize on the hype at the time. So, Teton's semen sales the first year were not exactly substantial.  By the next year, Cunia, Capone and Covino III, Epinal and the like had been proving their worth, with their semen becoming more readily available as well.  hence, not a lot of Teton semen was sold outside of our local area.  everyone that we knew that bought it, used it up because they liked him and he was still alive, so more would alway be available right?  well, so now here's the part that will make you sick.  the last of our Teton semen was in a tank that was supposed to be under the supervision of a Select Sires rep.  he let the tank go dry and in it was many units of Teton, Capone, Covino III, Crack, Cunia, Coca Cola, Dabla, and some Parisien, the Simmental bull. 

here's the kicker, the other owner was a bristly old blister.  she felt that Select Sires was not promoting Teton enough and his sales should have been higher...either that or her cut of the royalties should have been more.  this was in the 80s when the cattle market was off and the market for French cattle was sliding.  she ticked off the Managers at All West Select Sires.  they owned the semen, the storage was costing them more than was worth to deal with the old hide that was aggrevating them, so they dumped the inventory.

the last Teton semen that I knew of was in Harding's inventory.  he had a very nice herdsman >:(, that pitched every thing that he had never heard of, like Teton amd the bull called Eruption - easy calver with explosive growth.

to my knowledge, there were never any fullbloods sired by Teton.  that's why i would clone him.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: AAOK on October 11, 2007, 02:19:31 PM

179566
BMR MAGIC KAYLA - 3/4 Maine-Anjou  Bred by Baker-Moore Ranch Tishomingo, OK
Purchased by us.

An easy choice for me.  Sire: FR Magic  Dam: 1/2MA, 1/2AN Sired by AA Black Gold 500
Most correct, highest volume, most feminine cow I ever saw.  We just didn't get enough calves
out of her.  Found her dead close to the road one day   Never found the hole, but I'm sure she was shot.

One of her daughters sired by Polleroid is pictured in our Avitar.
 
 
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: OH Breeder on October 11, 2007, 10:04:05 PM
I know there are a ton of Sonny sons and they have bred a full brother to Sonny. But, I really like his females. I would love to have him back again. 500 to 700  a straw is crazy.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: garybob on October 12, 2007, 04:54:09 PM
I would like to clone some of the old shorthorns from say the 1940's , before the baby beef deal in the 60's? Same for the angus and herfords. These cattle didn't get anything but salt for the most part. Survival of the fittest, no mineral or supplementation or whatever.They might not be any good but it would be great to at least have their germ plasm to study. There was probably some ole bull somewhere that was perfect in all the dna test's including effiecency and everything that was undiscovered and never utilized and steered and sold in a salebarn for.50 cents a pound.
They also didn't get to stay around, unless they reproduced, without trouble.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Zach on October 12, 2007, 07:51:34 PM
arent there like 5 clones of heatwave  ???

Does anybody vote for power plant?
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: garybob on October 13, 2007, 01:06:43 PM
My votes are for
Shorthorn: LR Randolph 14th. Used by Dover Sindelar, He really stood out. People say he weighed 2600-plus, in his working britches. Was rock-solid, not flabby, yet soft enough. Big  & sound footed, extreme heel depth on the rear feet. Was only a 5 frame, and was so masculine, he had a tough time swishing the flies off his back & tail head with his head ( because he was so masculine-necked with a Bison-like crest).
Santa Gertrudis: The ultimate in line-breeding, noneother than Monkey. Whether or not you appreciate tropically-adapted bovines, no other single sire lives up to the title of "Progenitor".
Angus: Shearbrook Shoshone. The first big "Black Bull". Produced by selection pressure within a breeding population. Wasn't a Counterfeit (No Holstein, Swiss, Chi,Beef Friesian, or Maine), uniquely unliike so many more to follow during the race for "performance". He set the standard within the Angus breed for twenty years.
Charolais: Baldridge FastTrack. The first Charolais bull to impress me with his consistency. Never saw a "dink" or, "dud" outta him.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Chap on February 25, 2010, 03:29:57 PM
i just came across this bit of research and thought it pretty pertinent and while searching for a thread to attach, thought that the newer members might get a kick out of it.

http://www.ncsu.edu/news/press_releases/03_04/113.htm (http://www.ncsu.edu/news/press_releases/03_04/113.htm)

this is pretty old data, but couldn't find it in discussions before.  there have been lots of questions on why the cloned animals don't look exactly like the donor and if the calves from said clones are the same as from the original, this explains fairly well in simple terms. 
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: kanshow on February 25, 2010, 03:43:24 PM
Does anyone know if there are Dream On or 3C Macho clones?  If not, I'd add those to the list of the bulls that have already been mentioned.

I'd clone 2 of my dogs.   

There are a few horses I can think of that should've been cloned - Zippo Pine Bar is one..   
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: knabe on February 25, 2010, 05:15:07 PM
I'd clone cowboy and he could live out here in CA.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: shorthorngirl2010 on February 25, 2010, 06:10:04 PM
(lol) Just for the hell of it, I think I would clone myself -- that way, when I get too old to further antogonize all you goos folks, my REPLACEMENT would be well on his way to taking over for me!!! hehehehe (clapping) (clapping)

I just coulnd't resit -- seeing how I have met hundreds of really GOOD people I love to pick on over the years, and for SURE -- almost as many people I would love to make misserable as long as possible!!!!

As Lee and Tiffany from the hunting show would say --

"" Life is good -- Life is FINE "" hehehe

See ya -- and yes -- I most deffinately AM still alive -- just as mean as ever too I might add!!!

Terry
 :o

yeah, so mean he just HAPPENED to be nice enough to bring in chocolates into the barn the other day... And they are a MIGHTY fine treat after standing in the cool room all afternoon lol

Anyway, back to topic at hand.   I know they have, but the Primrose 2424.  Also Jamie 4101 (love that female).  Few other females that have yet to be in the spotlight, but are up and coming.  As far as bulls go. 734, 6807, EXT, 598.
-Sam
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Hofstatter Farms on February 25, 2010, 07:43:44 PM
would love to clone Evergreen Sable, MSF EQUITY 43, and LF Lucky Charm
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Show Steaks on February 25, 2010, 10:16:58 PM
Females: Ks Miss She's so sweet, Hairetta

Bulls: 734, steel force(just so semen wouldnt be so exspensive), EXT, maximus, occ anchor, monopoly(since he is probably going to run out of semen before too long)
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: knabe on February 25, 2010, 10:41:32 PM
any 20 year old cow with 18 calves and a 105 in herd weaning ratio.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Hilltop on February 26, 2010, 12:47:56 AM
My first pick would be Old Dividend. To see that bull in our pasture would be the ultimate thrill. As far as a female we had a 18 year old 1/2 hereford 1/2 shorthorn who was a grandaughter of Dividend that we had to ship last fall. It was a sad day as I watched my wife drive down the road with the trailer.When I sent a text to my nephew with no reply for a bit I knew it was bugging him as much as me. She had a calf every year and was the foundation of our commercial herd. In 2008 we had six generations including her as the oldest and my daughters 4-H steer being the youngest. We will probably never raise another commercial female like her. Kind of weird but it is not the same with her gone!
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Cowfarmer65 on February 26, 2010, 10:03:18 AM
I'm sure JIT will remember all of these sires. Old Shorthorn genetics that worked.
Bapton Constructor, Kelso Ignition, Scotsdale Rodney, Tutira Captain Dutch, Spring Grange Dutch, Mandalong Super Flag, Mandalong Super Elephant.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: simtal on February 26, 2010, 11:41:15 AM
I think somewhere someone is working with a bunch of major packers and indentifying prime and hi choice, yield grade one carcasses.  Pull samples from those, clone them, and develop a terminal deal off that.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: vc on February 26, 2010, 04:17:10 PM
The filly Ruffian
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Dusty on February 27, 2010, 10:46:38 AM
any 20 year old cow with 18 calves and a 105 in herd weaning ratio.

I met a red Angus breeder two years ago that had a cow he was flushing that was an 88 model and she had never not had a calf.  He was keeping her open to try and get as many eggs as he could before she went to the pasture in the sky.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: cotullaguy on February 27, 2010, 11:24:10 AM
I would clone Angelina Jolie.   (lol)
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Downtown Pete on February 27, 2010, 01:12:00 PM
Eckloffs #55 cow (Foreplay/sim/angus)  This cow just doesnt miss.  Might as well do her mother too. Most impressive sim/angus cow I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: knabe on February 27, 2010, 04:13:58 PM
I would clone Angelina Jolie.   (lol)

already been done, it's octomom.  they flushed her and she has 8 full sibs on the ground.
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: LUKE on February 27, 2010, 07:34:38 PM
I would clone Angelina Jolie.   (lol)

already been done, it's octomom.  they flushed her and she has 8 full sibs on the ground.


 (thumbsup)   (lol)
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: Zach on February 27, 2010, 07:54:19 PM
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Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: ty378 on February 28, 2010, 10:17:15 AM
Cows I would choose  N Bar Primrose 2424

Bulls I would choose Travler 6807 or Saugahatchee
 

steers would choose the Fort Forth Champ
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: knabe on February 28, 2010, 11:56:34 AM
steers would choose the Fort Forth Champ

something similar has been done. use him yet?
Title: Re: Who would you clone?
Post by: May Cattle Co on February 28, 2010, 01:19:06 PM
I would clone the 7063 cow.