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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2009, 10:35:10 AM »
she already looks like a blue roan.. go with a blue, or a roan.  IMO

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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2009, 12:23:36 PM »
she already looks like a blue roan.. go with a blue, or a roan.  IMO
She already looks like a calf-raisin' "rip", too. That a blue-roan calf out of a Pharo bull?

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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2009, 12:32:34 PM »
she already looks like a blue roan.. go with a blue, or a roan.  IMO
She already looks like a calf-raisin' "rip", too. That a blue-roan calf out of a Pharo bull?

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Heh, no, neither the mom or the daughter. The mama is very moderate and easy doing though. Her grandma was in our herd for nearly 15 years. That calf, sadly, is out of a another purebred Angus bull. The calf turned out good, though. Out of a 2 year old Kiowa Creek Angus bull.
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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2009, 12:44:43 PM »
We bred a red neck roan(light roan) heifer to Who Made Who last year hoping for a blue roan but we got a solid black bull calf.  I think the roan gene must be one with "varied expressivity"  meaning you don't ever really know what you're going to get.   We've also had blue roan calves out of black cows and red/wt patterned Shorthorn bulls that didn't look very roan.   The roan cow pictured is bred back to Who Made Who this year so we'll see what happens next week.
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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2009, 12:48:44 PM »
For the last few years we have been breeding most of our shorthorn cows to angus bulls and getting just what JIT has said, calves that look black with a little white on their belly or chest and a few white hairs lightly mixed in the body. The one blue roan that we did get last year was actually out of a blue roan cow (angus x roan shorthorn) out of Ali. We actually used Ali because we were told he will take the white off of the calves. Still very happy with the roan calf that we got, beautiful blue roan color.

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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2009, 12:52:04 PM »
We bred a PB Angus to a PB white Shorthorn bull and got a true blue roan heifer. Everything else we bred him to we got roan or black with white socks and belly. We did get a cool dark red heifer with frosted butt and tail and white belly when bred to a black Maine cross.
Should be getting 9 calves on the ground in the next 30 days from all black PB Angus. Should be interesting to see what we get.

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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2009, 01:05:53 PM »
The calf in the attached picture was out of a Full Force X Angus cow and Double Stuff.  We also had one with very similar markings out of Double Stuff and an all black Habanero cow.
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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2009, 01:08:31 PM »
Oops!! forgot to attache the picture--here it is!!
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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2009, 01:43:05 PM »
Phew, my head hurts!  :D Well, in any case, I guess I'll just stick in some good semen and regardless of what color I get make sure I breed for a good one.
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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2009, 03:09:44 PM »
Phew, my head hurts!  :D Well, in any case, I guess I'll just stick in some good semen and regardless of what color I get make sure I breed for a good one.

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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2009, 03:24:27 PM »
Phew, my head hurts!  :D Well, in any case, I guess I'll just stick in some good semen and regardless of what color I get make sure I breed for a good one.

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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2009, 03:41:52 PM »
I'm just glad you came to your senses before you bred to an ugly bull just because of color.
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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2009, 07:52:06 PM »
We bred a red neck roan(light roan) heifer to Who Made Who last year hoping for a blue roan but we got a solid black bull calf.  I think the roan gene must be one with "varied expressivity"  meaning you don't ever really know what you're going to get.   We've also had blue roan calves out of black cows and red/wt patterned Shorthorn bulls that didn't look very roan.   The roan cow pictured is bred back to Who Made Who this year so we'll see what happens next week.

and i believe you are exactly right. OH breeder can weigh in more about the randomness of the roan gene but you are on the right path
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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #28 on: February 28, 2009, 05:03:45 AM »
I can't speak for any other bull, but Dusty is correct, we flushed a purbred Maine to Vegas and ended up with 7 beautiful blue roans.

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Re: Would A blue bull on black calves make a blue calf?
« Reply #29 on: February 28, 2009, 09:44:52 AM »
The blue roans that we have liked are out of a white or red neck parent and a black but not solid black parent.

For example, white bull on a black cow with a little chrome, if you want a "louder" color.

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