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Aussie · Jul 10, 2011

What do you think of the top price angus bull in Australia now owned with ABS. IMHO we are in trouble. You tell me what you see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQAVWdx4INo
Pedigree and EBVs http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=22342A3D&2=2434&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=5D5A5A5B2324262423&9=5D5E5E59

cpubarn · Jul 10, 2011

Well, I will admit I see an average looking angus bull. Since it went for $91000, not knowing the exchange rate, seems a little higher than I would guess ($2500). Does he have exceptional carcass info? I know that I have looked at too many clubbies, but there must be more to the story.

The Show · Jul 10, 2011

Agreed. He looks pretty average to me. At the current exchange rate it's $97,902.10 USD, and I don't see that.

Simmgal · Jul 10, 2011

He seems avarage to me too..I'm not 100% sure if I like his back legs..or his dam's back..for that money, I'd wanna see a DARN GOOD BULL. He's not terrible, but im not toatlly wowed either..

Warrior10 · Jul 10, 2011

Im not even sure I would call him average in this business. I do not like him at all! I would be very interested to hear what they see in him.

Simmgal · Jul 10, 2011

Muddy Creek Show Cattle said:
Im not even sure I would call him average in this business. I do not like him at all! I would be very interested to hear what they see in him.

Haha when I say average, I mean: If he jumped the fence in with my cattle, I'd run him out tomorrow.. I don't think hes horrible, and he is definately not superior. I'm just a bit surprised at the price. Is the program he is from something super sepcial or anything?

knabe · Jul 10, 2011

i don't find him that offensive. his right front left rear diagonal seems a little bit freer moving than the other diagonal. the price is a little offensive.

i like the angle of his shoulder and when walking, both angles match (the cannon and front leg), something severely lacking in some show cattle where they are often severely mismatched or too straight.

specific comments would be useful rather than he just sucks.

his ebv's suggest shorter gestation, yet maintains high growth, which are typically in sync, ie longer gestation more growth to a point, ie not a dumb calf that was too big. maybe someone likes bigger cows with tiny babies?

after relooking at the bw, he seems breed average, yet shorter on gestation, which again, someone might find important trying to move calving windows around, rebreed rates around.

Simmgal · Jul 10, 2011

knabe said:
his right front left rear diagonal seems a little bit freer moving than the other diagonal.

AHH That's what I mean! I thought something seemed a little off there, but I couldn't exactly say what. Haha!

Now I am no expert, and I'm not familliar with EBV's, but he just seems ordinary..and by that I mean seems fairly correct, kinda eye appealing, looks like the calves would be okay..I don't think he totally sucks...

His sire looks pretty solid at a first glance as well.

Show Steaks · Jul 10, 2011

not sure why everyone is complaining about his looks seems like nearly all angus today are being selected for epd's only and if you look at the recent high sellers many will look like this guy
P.S. i bet he has a a huge $B and super sweet RE and IMF maybe even a nicely inflated YW

irishshorthorns · Jul 10, 2011

knabe said:
i don't find him that offensive. his right front left rear diagonal seems a little bit freer moving than the other diagonal. the price is a little offensive.

i like the angle of his shoulder and when walking, both angles match (the cannon and front leg), something severely lacking in some show cattle where they are often severely mismatched or too straight.

specific comments would be useful rather than he just sucks.

his ebv's suggest shorter gestation, yet maintains high growth, which are typically in sync, ie longer gestation more growth to a point, ie not a dumb calf that was too big. maybe someone likes bigger cows with tiny babies?

after relooking at the bw, he seems breed average, yet shorter on gestation, which again, someone might find important trying to move calving windows around, rebreed rates around.

Thank God above that we have someone like Knabe here to give their expert opinion on cattle breeding. What a truly splendid appraisal of this animals phenotype, structural soundness, pedigree and performance data. Oh, and what have you bred? What's the highest price you've attained at sale for a beast? Thank you.

nate53 · Jul 10, 2011

Really, only $91,000, this is the highest price paid for a bull in Australia? What's the highest priced animal in the states $400,000?

cowgirl864 · Jul 10, 2011

irish, way are you always picking a fight, why dont you post your own opinion or just leave you sarcastic remarks for people who want to hear, do you ever say any thing nice? <deadhorse>

knabe · Jul 10, 2011

irishshorthorns said:
Thank God above that we have someone like Knabe here to give their expert opinion on cattle breeding. What a truly splendid appraisal of this animals phenotype, structural soundness, pedigree and performance data. Oh, and what have you bred? What's the highest price you've attained at sale for a beast? Thank you.

just another low brain wave ad hominem attack again. so predictable. just like a pull toy.

where's your opinion on the bull? it must be in your post somewhere.

cowgirl864 · Jul 10, 2011

you tell him Knabe, thats what i just asked him or her I would listen to you any time <rock>

OKshorthorn · Jul 10, 2011

irishshorthorns said:
knabe said:

i don't find him that offensive. his right front left rear diagonal seems a little bit freer moving than the other diagonal. the price is a little offensive.

i like the angle of his shoulder and when walking, both angles match (the cannon and front leg), something severely lacking in some show cattle where they are often severely mismatched or too straight.

specific comments would be useful rather than he just sucks.

his ebv's suggest shorter gestation, yet maintains high growth, which are typically in sync, ie longer gestation more growth to a point, ie not a dumb calf that was too big. maybe someone likes bigger cows with tiny babies?

after relooking at the bw, he seems breed average, yet shorter on gestation, which again, someone might find important trying to move calving windows around, rebreed rates around.

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Thank God above that we have someone like Knabe here to give their expert opinion on cattle breeding. What a truly splendid appraisal of this animals phenotype, structural soundness, pedigree and performance data. Oh, and what have you bred? What's the highest price you've attained at sale for a beast? Thank you.

What's amazing to me is the inferiority complex that you have displayed in the 2 short months you have been here. Knabe is easily one of the top contributors to this site, if you don't agree with his description which seemed pretty spot on to me, then give your opinion. It's fairly easy to see you are intimidated by his post, so if you would like any credibility with the people who read this site regularly, please think prior to posting.

thunderdownunder · Jul 11, 2011

nate53 said:
Really, only $91,000, this is the highest price paid for a bull in Australia? What's the highest priced animal in the states $400,000?

Highest priced ANGUS bull.
Our top priced bull across ALL breeds is somewhere around the $400k mark for a Droughtmaster or Brahman, can't remember without looking it up.

nate53 · Jul 11, 2011

thunderdownunder said:
nate53 said:

Really, only $91,000, this is the highest price paid for a bull in Australia? What's the highest priced animal in the states $400,000?

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Highest priced ANGUS bull.
Our top priced bull across ALL breeds is somewhere around the $400k mark for a Droughtmaster or Brahman, can't remember without looking it up.

Thanks for the response, was just curious! ;D So Droughtmaster or Brahman must be the dominant breeds over there?

thunderdownunder · Jul 11, 2011

nate53 said:
thunderdownunder said:

nate53 said:

Really, only $91,000, this is the highest price paid for a bull in Australia? What's the highest priced animal in the states $400,000?

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Highest priced ANGUS bull.
Our top priced bull across ALL breeds is somewhere around the $400k mark for a Droughtmaster or Brahman, can't remember without looking it up.

Click to expand...

Thanks for the response, was just curious! ;D So Droughtmaster or Brahman must be the dominant breeds over there?

No, but they are dominant in Queensland where they make that money- most Brahman's are lucky to make $4000 in the southern States.

irishshorthorns · Jul 11, 2011

Redwine Brothers Cattle said:
irishshorthorns said:

knabe said:

i don't find him that offensive. his right front left rear diagonal seems a little bit freer moving than the other diagonal. the price is a little offensive.

i like the angle of his shoulder and when walking, both angles match (the cannon and front leg), something severely lacking in some show cattle where they are often severely mismatched or too straight.

specific comments would be useful rather than he just sucks.

his ebv's suggest shorter gestation, yet maintains high growth, which are typically in sync, ie longer gestation more growth to a point, ie not a dumb calf that was too big. maybe someone likes bigger cows with tiny babies?

after relooking at the bw, he seems breed average, yet shorter on gestation, which again, someone might find important trying to move calving windows around, rebreed rates around.

Click to expand...

Thank God above that we have someone like Knabe here to give their expert opinion on cattle breeding. What a truly splendid appraisal of this animals phenotype, structural soundness, pedigree and performance data. Oh, and what have you bred? What's the highest price you've attained at sale for a beast? Thank you.

Click to expand...

What's amazing to me is the inferiority complex that you have displayed in the 2 short months you have been here. Knabe is easily one of the top contributors to this site, if you don't agree with his description which seemed pretty spot on to me, then give your opinion. It's fairly easy to see you are intimidated by his post, so if you would like any credibility with the people who read this site regularly, please think prior to posting.

Knabe (Mark) continually comes out with rude and offensive comments, and yet when pulled on it pleads the fifth or spouts some pseudo intellectual twaddle in the hope the polecat's dance will dazzle the rabbits. I don't have time for as one breeder called him " an armchair breeder". When he tells us what he's bred of note, and their sale prices my ears will be all his.

knabe · Jul 11, 2011

irishshorthorns said:
I don't have time for as one breeder called him " an armchair breeder".

yet you keep responding.

probably all would call me an armchair breeder. big deal.

i'll probably get off the chair in about 3-4 years.

by that time you will have wasted about 3 years chewing more people down.

most if not all my negative comments are in response to derogatory comments like yours calling out inconsistencies in logic which clearly you don't understand.

it's ironic that the one's who can't seem to take it are the one's who are the most negative.

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