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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2008, 11:17:36 AM »

I think Knabe was trying to correlate the correlation between linebred/ defect free/ outcross genetics for grass fed beef and a 700 billion dollar bail out.

Why does everything appear to be so rushed?  Time is of the essence... and if  it doesn't work, then it just doesn't work... and back to the drawing board we go. How much money can we print? This is exciting times we live in!!! I love experiments only if there is no intent to harm, but.... How many songs will written about the last couple of weeks? I hope John Prine is taking notes. Has this thread been hi jacked?  Sins of Omission which has been forced upon us must be the core root of our newly acquired culture. What the heck is going on.
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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2008, 01:04:44 PM »

I think Knabe was trying to correlate the correlation between linebred/ defect free/ outcross genetics for grass fed beef and a 700 billion dollar bail out.

Why does everything appear to be so rushed?  Time is of the essence... and if  it doesn't work, then it just doesn't work... and back to the drawing board we go. How much money can we print? This is exciting times we live in!!! I love experiments only if there is no intent to harm, but.... How many songs will written about the last couple of weeks? I hope John Prine is taking notes. Has this thread been hi jacked?  Sins of Omission which has been forced upon us must be the core root of our newly acquired culture. What the heck is going on.

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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2008, 01:36:39 PM »

I think Knabe was trying to correlate the correlation between linebred/ defect free/ outcross genetics for grass fed beef and a 700 billion dollar bail out.

Why does everything appear to be so rushed?  Time is of the essence... and if  it doesn't work, then it just doesn't work... and back to the drawing board we go. How much money can we print? This is exciting times we live in!!! I love experiments only if there is no intent to harm, but.... How many songs will written about the last couple of weeks? I hope John Prine is taking notes. Has this thread been hi jacked?  Sins of Omission which has been forced upon us must be the core root of our newly acquired culture. What the heck is going on.

i think knabe can clear "all"...this up.......  genitcs / linebreed /th/ pha/  c calf / 700 billion bail out / all of it........ first ...genetics.....by identifying genitics...and "manipulating them"  the catttle industry has enjoyed exponential  benifits  in genetic enginering over a relatively short time in cattle industry....have we been  better able to "control" anything  better than the old "plenty of cattle to spare to go ahead and try it days"  ?   it was obvisiuly worth it to them to sacrfice %'s of there herd...tiem after time....to try and figure soemthing out...right?.....just different tools/ facalities/ information sharing devices /...same " research " and  "results"  recording...then the same thing next year...it was obvisiouly something that they dedicated part of there  capital " to as it directly related to there "profit"......did they ever stop ?  the results will continue to change as long as  we keep looking......the timleness of genitc changes are forever....were talking about  cattle here...most to eat...some to show ...and  some to sell ......now lets talk people....ie dupont deposited so much C8 ( i'll let you explain knabe)...into the ground water...that all the residents of wood co w.va/ washinton co/ athens co ohio/ have been drinking for 20 yrs.....they " found it in the drinking water first"....( genetic reasearch begins ).......then it progressed to about every water system in  5 or 6 counties in 2 states....i e dupont then gives each resident $200.00 to "give blood ".....many thounds of people...and there kids ( 200 buck a head as well ...)... and then they sent them  to the lab ( genetic reaearch )..... whree there generated C8 levels "sheets"  ( gentic data collection).....for each partacipant as well as there generations of there entire family ( mass data )( did genetic reasearch stop her knabe ?)..... most were within "acceptabel levels"....some werent....for those that had high or worse levels......i believe they actually thought the tests were going to result in a chance of correcting  what has happend to them  " in there lifetime"......or "at least the kids life time".....knabe ......................how long would you be able to  professionally tell these folks ,....that this genetic " change" is  going to take before we actually "see the end of it"...........or what other changes they may see in there generations to come???......who keeps all the love canal "stuff".....been thirty years now for them.....is it "over" at that location?...are generations "genitics" sound there......with nightmares like this as reality to human beings  now....it would be easy to say hat "genitcs" like "virginity" are simply  "one time gifts from god"....what we do with it is up to us.......700 million dollars....."clone it".......jbarl

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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2008, 02:11:02 PM »

I agree 100% JbarL about manipulating genetics. It's the manipulation of people where I have problem.
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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2008, 02:27:00 PM »

I agree 100% JbarL about manipulating genetics. It's the manipulation of people where I have problem.

bingo....for the good ...it can be  good....for the plastic polomars people ....it can be bad, for the good.......now as we enter stem cell...."for the good".....were at the same cross point ......even with the best of intentions....."we really"...dont know......with the worst of intentions.....we do.......jbarl

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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2008, 03:48:40 PM »
JbarL...for the life of me I can't figure out what you are trying to say by the way you type.  Are they intentional random thoughts, or why don't you use sentences?  ???
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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2008, 04:26:44 PM »
JbarL...for the life of me I can't figure out what you are trying to say by the way you type.  Are they intentional random thoughts, or why don't you use sentences?  ???

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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2008, 05:46:45 PM »
JbarL...for the life of me I can't figure out what you are trying to say by the way you type.  Are they intentional random thoughts, or why don't you use sentences?  ???

 I'll 2nd that. Between the sentences(or lack of) & the lack of using spell check, I don't even try to read those posts. The bad thing is I may missing out on the secret to success. ;D
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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2008, 06:33:22 PM »
JbarL...for the life of me I can't figure out what you are trying to say by the way you type.  Are they intentional random thoughts, or why don't you use sentences?  ???

 I'll 2nd that. Between the sentences(or lack of) & the lack of using spell check, I don't even try to read those posts. The bad thing is I may missing out on the secret to success. ;D

secrect to success....not quite......not even close........secrect to survival.......maybe?...spell check...definitely ..... :D   jbarl

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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2008, 07:09:36 AM »
I have a hard time following these posts also.Not to hijack the post but....I am ccurrently reading (1491 New revelations of the Americas before Columbus).One of the main points is that us white folk underestimate the population of the Americas before Columbus landed. There is a theory that epidemics wiped out between 25%-95% of their population thus there were alot more people here at one time than historians originally thought. Why? Two things.First, the new world was virgin soil. They had never been exposed to small pox and what not so they were really hammered. Two, the indians moved into the new world by small numbers thus their homogeneous gene pool over time.For example 9 out of 10 South American indians have type O blood. There is a theory that thw "human leukocyte antigens HLA's"  of the American indians were not able to combat epidemics because of the homogeneousity of their makeup. This would be a "bad for linebreeding in this case.I thinlk interesting. I would make a case for genetic diversity here.
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« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2008, 07:24:46 AM »
Dang, I was also going to add.Take the potato famine and say Irish imigration into this country. Disease took up to 80% of the imigrants on the boat and on U.S. soil. I think the say 20% survivors may have had the genetic makeup to survive the disease. That would make their offspring superior in that regard. In my area their are stories of frontier families loosing"mainly babies" to what they called "consumption". One guy lost his wife and 5 kids and eventually his mind on the Kansas prarie. I have heard people say that the survivors of this kind of situation may be genentically different. Fort Wallace south of here had a 70% desertion rate in say 1870.Alot of death due to epidemics(although some just went to the goldfields in Colorado) occured. I don't know? Makes me scared of the next biological attack anyway.
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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2008, 07:44:05 AM »
AJ - Life is hard. Survival even harder. If you look back though out history, man is always striving to allow those who would other wise perish to live longer. But has been nature which has always made an adjustment through disease, famine or disasters to the human population.

Genetics play a role in the scheme but are not the holy grail to survival.
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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2008, 07:47:22 AM »
......i  agree with stem cell research......and the last time i  checked..... its a womans constitunion right to have an abortion......so since i'm not a woman, thats one  i'll never have to worry about...hows about you tex?......as far a c calf/th /pha/ ect  is concerned and " are we fooling with genetics to much?....again the last tiime i checked...each individual cattlemen alone can make decisions to " create" what ever he wants to with in his own tank and pasture............ie...i have an aquantince who got rid of every straw of " dirty" maine semen he had.....would you have preferered he threw it away....or would you have prefered to have bought it all from him ,    you dont have to answer that...i think i already know....the main uncontrollable  varible  in cattle genetics are the , i's / mes, / and we's .......... reasearch has given us facts....what we do with them is soley up  to us......i dont believe the problem lies in the reasearch  and results of provided facts....if a cow was carring a terminal  pha calf....and she knew it ( and you didnt )...what do you think she would like to do ?.......would you allow her to  be a part of that  decision tex?........jbarl

Since I am not a cow, that's one I'll never have to worry about.


As for your cow that's carrying a PHA terminal calf and she knew it. What if she aborted the calf and went back to the same bull and had another pregnancy that was a PHA terminal calf, had it aborted and did the same thing for 15 years would that be OK in you eyes???? Would you pay for the 15 abortions? Would you let her be a part of that? Or would you take the decision away from her?



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Re: Curly Calf Syndrome
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2008, 09:01:43 AM »
I agree about JbarL's posts also.  You seem to be a pretty intelligent individual, but your posts are really hard to read.   Try and put some more structure into your posts, it will make them a lot easier to read...
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« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2008, 09:36:43 AM »
......i  agree with stem cell research......and the last time i  checked..... its a womans constitunion right to have an abortion......so since i'm not a woman, thats one  i'll never have to worry about...hows about you tex?......as far a c calf/th /pha/ ect  is concerned and " are we fooling with genetics to much?....again the last tiime i checked...each individual cattlemen alone can make decisions to " create" what ever he wants to with in his own tank and pasture............ie...i have an aquantince who got rid of every straw of " dirty" maine semen he had.....would you have preferered he threw it away....or would you have prefered to have bought it all from him ,    you dont have to answer that...i think i already know....the main uncontrollable  varible  in cattle genetics are the , i's / mes, / and we's .......... reasearch has given us facts....what we do with them is soley up  to us......i dont believe the problem lies in the reasearch  and results of provided facts....if a cow was carring a terminal  pha calf....and she knew it ( and you didnt )...what do you think she would like to do ?.......would you allow her to  be a part of that  decision tex?........jbarl

Since I am not a cow, that's one I'll never have to worry about.


As for your cow that's carrying a PHA terminal calf and she knew it. What if she aborted the calf and went back to the same bull and had another pregnancy that was a PHA terminal calf, had it aborted and did the same thing for 15 years would that be OK in you eyes???? Would you pay for the 15 abortions? Would you let her be a part of that? Or would you take the decision away from her?



WOW, I just did spell check, It's real easy you should try it sometime.
its pretty obvious your not a cow......but i am  responsible for  my animals.....i make just about all the decisons for my cattle,....and my dog, and my cat...after 15 abortions, i think some of my friends would probally step in and educate me,...probally about after the second abortion....but i guess if "i" wanted to abort her 15 times i could( small price  to pay i guess "in the big leagues").....i've just been given so much information/help/ and direction on here i "should" no better....spell check??....i thought that was monies avaliable  for a welfare reading program, i quess i can quit waiting on that money to start commin' in....dang, i was looking forward to that, i can barely get by the way it is............jbarl.
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