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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2008, 09:53:32 PM »
sounds like a great time.  I am always looking for an new place to market animals.  And it sounds like a great time for alot of us SP people to get together and have a wonderfull time.
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2008, 09:56:12 PM »
Looks like I am late to the party, but here is my two cents.

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Quality screen- BUT who's standard's and who has the final say?
Advertise calves in major show journals with pictures. I see lots of pics in the May issue.
you could do a combination of private treaty and bid sale. A board with base bids. Folks see the calves and enter a bid via phone or at the sight.
Heifers and Steers variety of price levels for all types of buyers.
location- if folks that participate haul calves a couple weeks prior to the site, how would Dori  ;) get reimbursed for feed and expenses time etc. Beautiful place Dori.
I would be happy to participate as we are small potato's as well. Couple of calves.
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2008, 09:56:41 PM »
Is this possibly a private treaty sale? Personally I would think an auction would be better with trying to get so many people to consign from different locations and would make viewing the calves and selling all in one day. TJ where is this place at you mentioned, I boat on the Ohio anywhere from Evansville to Golconda and this would be fairly close for me. Sounds like a good plan in the works and I sure could use a place to move some cattle.


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Sturgis, KY... about 10 miles from the Shawneetown bridge on HWY 109/HWY 60.  If you've boated from Evansville to Golconda, your boat has probably been within 6-7 miles of this place.
I don't know where you live, but it sounds like it's not too far away.  Actually, I'm amazed, but a few posters on here live in the southern IL & the southern IN areas.  IDK if Doc would be interested, but I'd guess that he's only about 2 - 2.5 hours away.   And I forgot to mention, it's only about an hour away from I-57 in Marion, IL.      

If it was held at a place like Sturgis, I'd think that you'd almost have to have a prospect show in conjuction with the sale to help attract a crowd.  Might need to have some other activities too.  Of course, if the cattle are good enough, people will make the drive or phone in bids.  And I'd say that trucking wouldn't be much of a problem if people from different areas attended.    

    
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2008, 10:08:08 PM »
This would be extra expense, but they have a 5,000 square foot banquet room & optional catering service (pics below).  And if needed a Wedding Chapel.  :P  It also has over 4 acres of paved & lighted blacktop parkinglot, surrounded by chain link fence.  A/C is optional in the arena, but is available.     

 
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2008, 10:16:02 PM »

Quality screen- BUT who's standard's and who has the final say?


Well, I was gonna say mine, but that'd be a little one sided. :D How's 'bout havin' like Red, "Q", OFS, and them do it???
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2008, 10:19:27 PM »
Looks like I am late to the party, but here is my two cents.

Age limit
Quality screen- BUT who's standard's and who has the final say?
Advertise calves in major show journals with pictures. I see lots of pics in the May issue.
you could do a combination of private treaty and bid sale. A board with base bids. Folks see the calves and enter a bid via phone or at the sight.
Heifers and Steers variety of price levels for all types of buyers.
location- if folks that participate haul calves a couple weeks prior to the site, how would Dori  ;) get reimbursed for feed and expenses time etc. Beautiful place Dori.
I would be happy to participate as we are small potato's as well. Couple of calves.

OB - You make some good points. Having been in sale management and on sifting commitees, I know how tickleish this can be - it's probably harder on the people in charge of quality control than anyone else and I have seen it cause hard feelings (especialy if the sifted animals were hauled a considerable distance and then excluded from the sale). Private treaty or auction - I prefer auction on a personal basis but then again I dabble in the auction/sale managment business. However there are internet auction services available that let buyers from around the country view and bid on animals via their computers or telephones. RW
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #36 on: December 02, 2008, 10:25:12 PM »
If this was going to happen and people were going to be hauling animals a long distance then we would need people in different areas to go out and screen animals.  I would hate to bring an animal from Kansas to Kentucky just to have someone say that it wasn't quite good enough to be in the sale.  I think you would have to designate about 10 people from all around the country to be the ones to go out and look at the cattle before they could be entered in the sale.  I would love to do it, but I wouldn't trust myself enough.  I still say that we could pull it off as a group.  Also purebred breeders vs. clubby breeders?  would we have 2 sales or just one?  Just a thought.  I know that there is a good amount of both on this forum and I would hate to discriminate against one or the other. 
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #37 on: December 02, 2008, 10:37:07 PM »
Maybe an easier and maybe a little less harsh way would be to email pictures to a specified person and then that person email them to a group of say 5 people and then they vote on wether its in or not??  I also think one would need to prepay for the feed otherwise if a calf doesn't go for what that person wished they have already payed for the feed and the person caring for the animals isn't getting stiffed. Just an Idea
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #38 on: December 02, 2008, 10:43:43 PM »
Mailing in pictures is probably the best way to handle it.  If the committee thinks some cattle aren't up to snuff, but aren't sure, they could probably find someone in the area to go check them out. 
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2008, 02:42:46 AM »
Lots of good ideas.  I think a geographical location is going to be the biggest concern to make something like this to work.  Looking at the member map, it looks like most members reside fairly close to the east and west side up interstate 35 from Texas to Iowa, and than a very large grouping from Indiana, Illinois, and Ohio.

Also going to back to what was posted earlier, it is going to be an auction or private treaty sale that takes place over an extended duration of time? 

It could also be telecast on steerplanet with online bids without needing much physical hardware.


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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2008, 06:13:12 AM »
Sturgis, KY...  IDK if Doc would be interested, but I'd guess that he's only about 2 - 2.5 hours away.   And I forgot to mention, it's only about an hour away from I-57 in Marion, IL.      

I would be interested in it , as long as I didn't have to trailer them up there on a Harley. LOL. :D
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2008, 08:13:48 AM »
Dori that barn is sweet. Would the canadians be able to play inthis sale?
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2008, 09:28:02 AM »
IMO, the quicker you can get PPL from SP that have been involved with or have a sale themselves involved with this project the better. There are sooo many things that need to be kicked around more than once for a sale like this to be successful for most involved parties. Too many to mention here, but for example, a April born calf to make a mid August sale is next to impossible. Not enough time to get it on feed and weaned and trucked to local and be in any kind of shape to bring good money. They just won't have the body condition to make that transition in general. If you could get Tony, DLD,Oakbar, RW,Common Sense,Freddy, and many more that have been involved in some sales input, it would be valuable. Jason needs to be involved from the get go, B/C if we're using SP as a common denominator, it can/could have big pros & cons for his web-site. Quality of calves will be very, very high on the list of priorities. If the calves aren't good enough the 1st year, forget yr 2 & 3. Just an old man's rambling. Great idea, I just think it may need to be reeled back in a little B4 the cart gets ahead of the horse too far. Brent

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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2008, 09:32:32 AM »

Quality screen- BUT who's standard's and who has the final say?


Well, I was gonna say mine, but that'd be a little one sided. :D How's 'bout havin' like Red, "Q", OFS, and them do it???

Quality screening will be the hardest part to conquer, however it is probably one of the most beneficial things to do. I would say that being "sifted out" of the sale should not eliminate someone from coming all together. Maybe we could also include a LOAD AND GO pen for some of the lesser grade calves. Have them pre priced and cap the top price, as to not overshadow any of the Actual Sale Calves.

As for determining the quality for the sale, it would be hard to look at each calf's picture at a point in time, then 3 weeks later look at another and try to figure out if they are on the same ball field. We need to have a comittee of 3 or 5 people that way there is not tie. Have a deadline when the prospective  entry pictures have to be turned in for evaluation. That way you have all of the calves right in front of you to compare. I personally may not like a calf individually but he or she may fall into the overall group very well. If we get 25 pictures turned in, the top 20 of the judges pics will be in the sale. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THE LOAD AND GO PEN, for the calves who do not make the sift, for nobody knows how this will turn out until its over and you never know who is going to come and look and what they are willing to spend, a lesser quality calf should bring lesser money, but that does not always mean that someone is not looking for just that for a project.

I would be more than happy to serve on the selection committee, and would love to get that part organized. WELL HECK, there are so many parts of this sale I want to be involved in I may end up on every committee, is that possible??? (lol)

I also really like the idea of a live bid sale, any Auctioneers on here? I have been a ringmen before and I am sure we can get a few other who have experience.
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Re: STEERPLANET PRIVATE TREATY SALE?
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2008, 10:05:54 AM »
So many GOOD ideas.  I like the idea of a prospect show along with the sale.  I also like the load and go for the lesser calves.  If we would go with the show and sale, TJ's facility would be great.  I think first part of October would be better though for the timing. 

If we did private treaty at different locations, maybe the thing to do would be have them on the same weekend, internet bidding and have videos available of the calves at the other locations available for people to see at each location.  Just some more ideas!

 

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