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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: May 11, 2021, 02:49:48 PM »
Yeah thats a terrible representation ridiculous they put a black nose on the cover

The Big Show / Re: JIT any pics of Leader Calves?
« on: March 22, 2021, 04:28:36 PM »
2100lb cows, an industry source for easy fleshing genetics  :o    (lol)

The Big Show / Re: New Herdsire
« on: February 22, 2021, 08:32:25 PM »
Where specifically on the map is their true environment?   Im in North Texas 40 inches of rain a year where most people running a cow per 4 acres.   Average growth epds is plenty here.  Do you want to see some thin calves use you a trait leader growth bull.   Ill put the mid 40s WW bulls up against any here. 

The Big Show / Re: New Herdsire
« on: February 15, 2021, 03:47:31 PM »
Shorthorn average is more performance than my environment can support.   Exposes the worst part about epds. People see the percentile ranking as better or worse instead of appropriately using them to identify and match a level of performance within the cattle to their environment.

The Big Show / Re: Heritage/Native Shorthorn Bull Listing
« on: February 01, 2021, 03:20:17 PM »

The Big Show / Re: adding rib shape?
« on: December 15, 2020, 12:59:47 PM »
haygrazer / sorgum sudan etc

throw all those products in the trash and utilize feed stuffs.    Put her on a bale of sudan free choice and watch her midsection "appear" to double in size.  Balancing this with getting enough energy in her ration to keep her fat is the challenging part.   Corn, a a textured finisher, and a sudan type forage will get you much closer to accomplishing your goals than any product will.

The Big Show / Re: Biss element 79 what ever happened
« on: December 03, 2020, 10:02:24 PM »
Nice to hear from someone who actually used the bull and has first hand experience.

Yea hes such a unique specimen that only by using him specifically could you infer anything about his type.  How long you been at this again?

The Big Show / Re: Old Shorthorn Books. Lewis F. Allen
« on: December 03, 2020, 08:36:05 AM »
Otis fisher- thats a name havent heard in a while.  Attempted to contact him for awhile trying to buy the RC prefix. No luck finding anyone.   History of short-horns is a good read-

The Big Show / Re: Biss element 79 what ever happened
« on: December 02, 2020, 10:58:15 PM »
Bull was way too big to have much usefulness.  Saw him in Denver as a long yearling at over a ton. 

The Big Show / Re: Show Cattle Resources?
« on: December 02, 2020, 03:48:33 PM »
All good stuff

The Big Show / Re: Saskvalley stampede
« on: November 09, 2020, 12:53:52 PM »
Trust what?

Trust them to report accurately?

Trust them to only submit data when contemporary groups are large enough to become statistically relevant?

A previously stated comment and One I very much agree with, And 99% of the Shorthorn bulls out there arent going to get anywhere near the gross numbers, let alone numbers under the same or similar management, to make their EPDs representative.

So while the breeder could be as honest as the day is long in terms of submitting raw date accurately, without a reasonably high level of epd accuracy, most of what igs generates for you is still disinformation rather than useful information.

And the water is only going to get muddier as breed associations continue meddling/bribing to have their breeds strengths prioritized and accentuated in the epd values.

The Big Show / Re: Saskvalley stampede
« on: October 22, 2020, 07:42:19 AM »
Simply explanation as far as what happens to any bull ladyboy Luke is involved with.  Older bulls become reference sires whose offspring get placed at the bottom of future contemporary groups therefore artificially elevating EPds on the new latest and greatest bull..   While shady,  this approach ensures ever improving in herd EPDs. 

The Big Show / Re: Pones too big but middle not filled out
« on: September 08, 2020, 07:11:54 PM »
Simple solution and common with Brahman influenced or harder-doing biotypes within any breed.

Increase the quantity of ration with goal being to expand her internal capacity but decrease quality in attempt to lower the overall energy level of ration.   

Concentrated textured feed is your enemy here.  It is too nutrient dense.

Id take the feed completely away from her and put her on a high quality horse hay like coastal Bermuda.  She should maintain body weight while also taking on a fuller figure. 

CAB maybe semantics but what are you referring to when you distinguish body condition and cover?

The Big Show / Re: Your thoughts on some Shorthorn AI Sires
« on: August 27, 2020, 12:42:57 AM »
My Jazz cattle absolutely could not perform with anything else I had.  Then there's the DS thing.  The white Jazz son I bought from Dean Fieser was the best Jazz son I ever saw.  After several offspring with deformed feet, he was gone.

Thats to be expected as the shorthorn genetics you prefer are deemed exclusively terminal by anyone who knows holstein from hereford.  If you want big boned flat sided huge long faced cattle that wean calves that are thin -aka green- then the terminal Trump mutants of your choice may be what youre after.  But reading the OP's comments it would seem as if he's interested in a much different type.  Notice out of all the bulls in the entire breed he was able to reduce the options down to four functional beef bulls, none of which you would consider using-- albeit all being substantially better than anything Ive known of you using.   I also find it intriguing how there are those with 6 cows who speak of the "several" deformities yet out of hundreds of calves ive had sired by 5 different jazz sons, I've never had a single notable issue.  Its truly a phenomenon how those whove used the Jazz line heavily report such different results than those who only use him as a 'reference sire.'  You'll play with genetics that are riddled with genuinely lethal genetic defects, but a non lethal that has a remote chance of any level of expression even in the homozygous state is oh no the sky is falling. 

The Big Show / Re: Your thoughts on some Shorthorn AI Sires
« on: August 24, 2020, 06:23:20 PM »
If you like what you have Marquis is the clear option.  He's gonna make cattle similiar to what you have only in a higher performance package.  Saw a son of his on Fb for sale today-- looked nice but he had to be close to a 7 Frame.   If youre wanting to incorporate some fleshing ease, which I would recommend, then the other options can help you more.  Homeplace HC bottom side of his pedigree is mostly the same type of cattle as you have now.  His MGS is a different type bull that will add bone and thickness to your current type. So maybe if you like what you have but want to inject a little something different this may be your choice.  Think the other two Rawhide and Deliverance will add more guts and a looser hide but likely not as much muscle as Marquis or HHC.  Another bull I'll add is Sultan of Jazz- think he or any of the reasonable performance Jazzes would work really well over the type of cows you have.  Looking across the breed, the very best cows being made were made about 5-6 years ago.  Every outfit I can recall that used jazz need to revisit as the overall quality being presented is diminishing with each generation away from him.   Go back and look at those jazz sons and daughters JSF was selling.  Go back and look at the 8u sons Loving would offer.  You can't find that upper rib shape anywhere outside the jazz line.   If you want fleshing ease, in a level topline square set package, you'll find something not too far away from Jazz. 

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