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The Big Show / Re: Wut a work in progress-this calf is a clown
« on: May 30, 2012, 06:24:29 PM »
Let's talk about Red Alert...   Was he a Popular Haven bull?

The Big Show / Re: th phenotypes
« on: May 30, 2012, 04:14:13 PM »
No if they are Purebred!

is there such a thing in this world-- in the livestock industry. 

Seriously- purebreds?

The Big Show / Re: th phenotypes
« on: May 30, 2012, 11:25:37 AM »
TH carriers are heavier boned, thick, have straight back legs and lots of hair?  A cow that I purchased before TH testing was available was later tested and was TH positive.  She would be criticized for being light boned, perhaps too narrow, having somewhat crooked back legs, and didn't have much hair.  (she was an excellent producer for 10 years)  I hate to read or hear comments that they have to be TH carriers to be competitive.  When was the last time a TH carrier won the National Shorthorn show?  There have been 4 or 5, maybe more, national champions that were Trump X Rose 004.  Not a carrier in the bunch.  Bloodstone?  Clean.  Solution?  Clean.  Sonny?  Clean.  Anybody showing a TH positive Shorthorn bull to the National Championship lately?  Not that I know of.  I saw Improver on display in Denver.  Has it been almost 40 years?  Look at the photos of him.  He was straight on his back legs, bigger hipped than most of the time, and some of us didn't like him because we thought he might be too small.  He became popular because of those traits and the TH, in my opinion, was a tag along of his total genetics.  Just because an animal is a TH carrier doesn't mean they are good.  Check the pedigrees of the Shorthorn champions of recent years.  Many of them have Improver in their pedigree, but do not carry the TH gene.  Obviously, the traits those breeders wanted were passed on without TH.  If I see research someday that proves moderate framed, heavy muscled, heavy boned, hairy, big hipped cattle have to carry the TH gene, then I may reluctantly admit that to win a show you need TH.
milestone sable... and her decendants.???  How 'bout further back? Mattis???

The Big Show / Re: th phenotypes
« on: May 30, 2012, 09:32:11 AM »
I could run up the road about an hour and a half--- and get a good look for you AJ... Wait, I've already been there once or twice...

The Big Show / Re: maine blood question
« on: May 30, 2012, 05:32:37 AM »
Nice to see shorthorns and Maines still mixing.

the 2nd bull is going to breed a TON of shorthorn cows in the next couple of years.  He's pretty neat. 

The Big Show / Re: maine blood question
« on: May 29, 2012, 05:57:26 AM »
I ask about the 100% deal, b/c I have never seen it before in a Maine's pedigree, and I thought the fullbloods had some kind of distinction. 

The pedigree, I have no idea about, and other than one or two bulls-- have never heard anything about any of the animals listed.  It's all new to me. 

As of last night- I bought a heifer- who's sired by a son- of the bull I listed above (I am 95% certain this is her sire as my friend isn't always the best with remembering names and numbers on pedigrees). 

The daughter I purchased, is sired by this bull 425437 .  I have not seen the heifer, but she's part of a group-- and he knows what I like.  I was assured that she fits the bill... 

When the time comes for her first calf: I'm very likely going to breed her to one of the following bulls, 415117 or 409505  .  More than 99% certain to the 2nd bull-- as I think the first has been shipped and was not ever collected.  If I do decide to breed her red Maine-- I'm thinking about trying to work her back up to purebred Maine status-- but keep them red.  That would be neat as hell, I to think. 

The Big Show / Re: gourmet beef phenotype
« on: May 28, 2012, 10:07:42 PM »
not going to get much of a response on this show cattle site...

Proven fact, that the more butter fat in the milk-- the more IMF in the body... Jersey after 800 pounds, is so marbled, it can't grind properly-- just turns to mush.  i'd say Waygo is the same-- very similar looking physically. 

When I think of gourmet-- I think small helpings, and excellent taste-- wonder if Holstein would fit the bill?  Most who have the money to spend on luxury-- don't have a farmer's belly capacity and so they frown upon 18" REA. 

Why do show people worry about bone/ Optical illusion-- and give them something to be proud of.  Trends come and go-- so why not focus on something really un-important like spending an hour each day working hair, and 2 hours clipping it each week for the show.  Best, longest lasting mother cows here-- are very near the bottom of the biggest boned chart.

The Big Show / Re: animal science universities
« on: May 28, 2012, 10:00:54 PM »
A lot of people don't think there are oppertunities in the animal science feild. Is this true? Even with genetic or nutrition specalization. Or anything in the research feild.

yup- I graduated about 15 months ago-- switched out of AnSi my first semester at the U.  Realized nothings out there for AnSi students, and it was pointless to be in those classes.  Ended up getting 2 majors and 2 minors-- and that set me far enough apart to land a good job with the USDA> 

Most people who are hiring want an Ag business student-- more well rounded-- and more 'profit' oriented.  business is about profit- in nearly every field. 

If you know what you want to do- then you need to specialize in that field in college, not get lumped together with everyone else.

Most of those I attended AnSi classes with at the U-- are now back home farming, working for someone as a herdsman, or are selling seed corn---  three jobs that didn't even require going to college- so why waste your time. 

Most often when someone asks what's my degrees in-- I struggle to even tell them I have an AnSi one- just makes me look like a moron, beer drinking, extended stay, ex-college student.

The Big Show / maine blood question
« on: May 28, 2012, 09:36:49 PM »
if a maine says he's 100%-- then it's got to be a fullblood, correct?  No other way I can think of.

335737  reg #

The Big Show / Re: Pasture Fertilization
« on: May 28, 2012, 06:43:32 AM »
Can't buy 34-0-0 around here...  To explosive I hear...

The Big Show / Re: Pasture Fertilization
« on: May 27, 2012, 03:51:31 PM »
Why do you recommend the 34-0-0 without the agrotain and 46-0-0 with?  I also wouldn't think 20# P would do much of anything to help, as most grasses use much more P than this, especially if you are cutting the grass for hay and not returning any manure to it.

urea leaches real bad-- and is not recommended to even use without incorporating it.

many of the shows I've done-- looking back I wish I would have done a few things a little differently.  During that day, I have been confident of being right-- but months later looking back and remembering-- I wish I would have done that one thing different...

All in shows with people I knew nothing about- before, during, or after.

The Big Show / Re: animal science universities
« on: May 27, 2012, 03:48:44 PM »
as an alumni of WIU, and an Animal sci major--- I regret doing both, and am glad that I switched majors.

The Big Show / question on simmentals
« on: May 27, 2012, 03:46:38 PM »
how do you find out the color of Sim online, or parental colors if they are blank? 

Anyone know anything of this bull, or his pedigree?

SS Stud 1274757

The Big Show / Re: Pasture Fertilization
« on: May 26, 2012, 07:30:25 AM »
a good standard procedure is 120 lbs ACTUAL N P K, the actual poundage applied will vary with the fertilzer source you use.

As Nate said- You HAVE to have a soil test done.  In most cases, we take one every 2-3 acres.  I consider an acre to be a 208 x 208 square. 

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