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The Big Show / Re: one thing you could change
« on: July 01, 2013, 06:47:17 PM »
Probably the worst fake reason I've ever heard a judge spout off, was this: "If you like one big boned, heavy muscled, structurally correct, and still free moving then this is the steer for you..... But I'm going to start the class with the young man's steer, who is just more athletic." As you can imagine, everyone on this forum would recognize the name of the young man on the halter of the "athletic" steer who won the class. Oh well..... Lol!

The Big Show / Re: How is sale order determined at your county fair?
« on: August 01, 2012, 05:39:45 PM »
At our county show, immediately following each breed we show for sale order within that breed.  Then after grand and reserve grand are chosen, they immediately bring in the backup steers to those calves in their breed sale orders, and begin showing for final sale order.  It's exactly the way it should be done, in my opinion.  Sometimes breed champions will sit on the front line for quite some time, before they're pulled.  But, if the judge feels as if the #10 cross is better than the #1 hereford, that's his choice.  Our county show is extremely competetive & we have an outstanding premium sale.  I think those 2 go hand-in-hand.  We're very fortunate to be in a community that supports our youth and ag programs.

The Big Show / Re: Google and guns
« on: July 02, 2012, 07:44:48 PM »
I've got a brand new Kahr cw40 I'd part with.  I've never even fired it.  Interested?

The Big Show / Re: Show Calf Prices
« on: July 02, 2012, 07:37:03 PM »
I understand exactly what you are getting at.  You want to be competitive but you either don't want to or can't spend the kind of money it takes to buy the great one.  I sympathize with you.  It is a money game, no question about it.

There are some things that you can do to gain an edge.

1.  Buy your calves LATE.  Don't get out there and try to compete with the big money that is being thrown around during peak season.  I know, you think that all of the good ones will be gone.  They won't.  I guarantee it.  There are steers that are slow starters, there are steers that don't get paid for, and there are steers that traders pick up late.  Wait until the very last possible moment that you can.  Everyone will have bought their steers already.  PLUS, you don't have to feed them during that interim 4 months.  And the older the calves are, the less they change.  Nobody talks about the $10,000 steer that never makes it to a show because he comes unwound when he hits 650#. 

2.  Don't be afraid of the "big name" steer traders.  I understand that they sell $30,000 steers.  I know all of that.  But they also sell $2,500 steers, and A LOT of them.  If you hit one of those guys late, and tell them what you have to spend, they will exceed your expectations.  Some of these guys sell 400-500 show steers a year.  When they "expire", the next stop is the sale barn.  I don't know what part of the country you are in, but you will be surprised if you just call them.

3.  Stay away from prospect type steers.  The expensive steers are expensive because they can win as feeder calves, prospects, progress, and fat steers.  They are the complete package.  Buy fat steer types.  They will be competitive enough at the early shows, and you can sneak up on someone late if you do a good job.

4.  Buy genetically good haired steers.  If you can put hair on a fat steer, you will have NO problem finding someone to help you clip that calf.  Everyone loves to help on a good haired steer.

5.  Feed your steer like a fat steer.  Don't drag him all over 4 states to 20 shows.  Take him out once or twice early, and maybe once about 60 days before your fat show.  NOTHING covers up flaws like a nice even coat of fat cover.  Add a little hair, clip a little "pretty" into him, and you will be surprised. 

6.  Buy an easy feeding steer.  If you buy a big bellied, chubby steer, everything else will just kind of fall into place.  You can get him fat early, and keep him that way all the way through.  He will never have to be on a super "hot" ration so hair growth will come easier, and they are just cheaper to feed and maintain. 

7.  Buy one that can move.  Make sure he is loose moving, and he has to fill his tracks when he weighs 800# or he absolutely will not when he weighs #1300.  A super sound steer absolutely can beat a more powerful steer in a fat show, especially if you can put the hair on him.

8.  WORK.

Just my opinion.  Maybe some of this will help you.  Hang in there.

This is why the internet is valuable.  Sure, there are plenty of other things you could add to this advice to be successful, but this is GOOD STUFF right here!!!!  You can't always outspend people, but you CAN ALWAYS OUTWORK THEM.

The Big Show / Re: glover sale
« on: June 25, 2012, 10:46:02 PM »
He was a good one.  He had an excellent disposition as well, & was a very easy-going animal.  I may be a little biased, but disposition is ranking WAY at the top of my list right now.

Quality will be pretty awesome, the numbers will be pretty good, and the showmanship competition will be intense.  Showmanship will generally be broken up into several heats for each agegroup, and the winner gets a showbox.  It's my kids' favorite show of the year.  There's a lot for the kiddos to do, and there's plenty for the parents to do as well.  If you stay focused on the idea that "we just want to get the calves out" , you'll enjoy yourself.   ;D

The Big Show / Re: eye candy steer sold awhile back on here
« on: June 03, 2012, 06:15:34 PM »
You must have the toughest county fair in the country to be 3rd overall but congrats with the success!!  (clapping)

Thanks again. 

Yes, our county show is really tough.  If our steer had shown up in late February weighing 1300 or so, he might've won the county show, but not at 1220 like he was.  There were 10 steers in our little county in SW Oklahoma that would've qualified for the Sale of Champions at OYE this year.  They accept 70 total into the sale.  We ended up with only 8 steers in the sale, because two kids had two steers qualify.  Two breed champions at OYE were from my kids' school, ours and the AOB.  There are some families around here that know how to feed one, and they can pick the good ones.  It's a lot of fun!! (lol)

The Big Show / Re: Settle an argument...who has to open the gate?
« on: June 03, 2012, 06:04:52 PM »
Passenger.   <beer>

The Big Show / Re: eye candy steer sold awhile back on here
« on: June 03, 2012, 09:03:37 AM »
My son had him.  I added that picture to my facebook profile, and tagged Trausch Farms in the picture recently.  I felt like it was the best picture of the steer that we had.  I only uploaded the picture to help give credit where it was due, to the folks who helped us get the steer.... Trausch Farms, Kirk Baker, and ultimately Dustin Glover.

Despite never really getting quite big enough, he was a fantastic steer.  On his best day, he was only 1280 lbs.  He had tremendous hair (and I don't just mean good hair, I mean TREMENDOUS), he was big boned, had a huge butt and hip, great disposition, and showed really well.  In late February he was 3rd overall steer at our county show & in March he was champion charolais at the Oklahoma Youth Expo.  The OYE is a terminal show, but he was bought by the Redlands Community College for their judging program.  I'm sure he's on someone's plate by now, but he was able to live another month or so to participate in their program & still be a showcalf.

I appreciate all the comments on the steer.  He was a good one.  At the OYE, all the kids who exhibit breed champions animals ride into the arena for the grand drive, in a stretch limosine.  There is a light show, music playing, confetti, and they REALLY put on a big show for the kids who have breed champions.  If you've ever witnessed the grand drives at OYE, you understand why it was such a big deal to put my kid in that limo.  It's an honor that very few kids ever experience.  I'm not saying we'll ever pull off that honor again, but we did it once.  <rock>

The Big Show / Re: Is this what an "Honorable" breeder does?
« on: May 28, 2012, 12:10:51 PM »
Couple of things:

3. As far as pricing this yr vs. last year, that is a big grey area.  I would not guarantee my best calf next year fir this years price.  If nothing else, market calf prices are around 50% higher this year than last.  It really depends on how much you are talking about.  If you are talking about a $1000-$2000 steer last year then its not completely unreasonable for thim to hit you with an extra $500 or so.  Quality is in the eye of the beholder.  The biggest factor on a Red Angus steer in Tx is whether he'll classify or not.

You dont have to be told on here not to do business with them.  Buying steers is like any other thing when it comes to managing risk.  If you have a low tolerance of risk, buy a calf from a show outfit where the calf is worked, broke out and ready to go.  You'll pay more because the seller bore all of the risk.  Buying calves out of a pasture is usually cheaper, but you often have a greatet risk of issues like this, tameness, etc.

Pay attention, because Chambero is doling out some great words of wisdom here...

Let's make this short & sweet.  A reputable breeder will make this right in any way possible, but they won't give away the farm to make sure your feelings aren't hurt.  Cattle are worth more this year than last year.  If you want the same quality in a calf-for-calf trade, then the trade should've gone down last year.  The market simply isn't the same. I doubt he resold the calf, but it could've happened.  If you want the same quality as last year, you're gonna half to add some boot.

My guy would've made it right.  I know, because he's done it before.  If you want his name & number and wanna buy from him in the future, message me and I'll give it to you.  He doesn't sell "bargain basement" calves, they're not cheap but they're fairly priced.  His clipping and fitting at major shows are worth more than you can imagine.  He'll give advice when it's warranted, and he'll get you as good a steer as you are willing to pay for.

The Big Show / Re: Please help abused lawyers - great ad
« on: May 01, 2012, 05:30:06 PM »
Awesome.  I wish more people could see this.

The Big Show / Re: wanting whiter hair
« on: April 29, 2012, 08:42:55 PM »
Shimmering Lights works 10X's better than the sullivan's whitening shampoo.  We showed an all white shorthorn 2 years ago, and a white/painted charolais last year.  Beauty supply stores usually have the Shimmering lights shampoo cheaper than other places.  Another thing, we used Weaver's Pro Polish to sheen the charolais steer this past year & it did an exceptional job keeping him clean. 

The Big Show / Gotta brag on my son a little....
« on: March 21, 2012, 12:29:14 PM »
My son is 10 years old, and if you look beneath the brim of all his caps you'll find his motto: HARD WORK PAYS OFF.  This last Saturday his hard work indeed paid off, as he drug his eye candy steer into the ring at OYE and walked out with the banner for champion charolais market steer.  This little boy worked hard with the steer & puts in his time.  He would get off the bus, hop on his bike & ride to the barn, halter the steer & walk it around until I got off work.  We would rinse him and work his hair in the evenings, and put him back out.  We fed 2 steers this year, and the other one (my daughter's heatwave steer) made the sale at our county fair, but was just too unpredictable to show at OYE.  She had to just help her little brother instead.  I'm awfully proud of my 2 kids this year.  They absolutely cannot wait until they get some new babies to work with.  

Here's a picture of the steer.  Some of yall will probably recognize him from the Steerplanet classifieds.  

The Big Show / Re: Oklahoma Youth Expo - More videos added
« on: March 21, 2012, 12:22:55 PM »
The little boy who gets out of the limo & flexes his muscles...... well that was my kiddo.  He had the champion charolais steer, with the Eye Candy steer we bought from Kirk Baker.  If you look back through the steerplanet cattle classifieds, you'll find the steer for sale there.  Dustin Glover found the steer for us, but it was Kirk who allowed the steer to be sold back to someone from his own county.  It was also Kirk who was the first person to hug my neck when my son came out of the ring.  My little boy is as proud as he can possibly be, and I'm so excited for him. 


The Big Show / Re: Train leg hair
« on: March 13, 2012, 09:09:42 PM »
When you get done with that, brush brush brush brush brush brush brush brush...... LOL.

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