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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: April 28, 2021, 12:53:21 PM »
That's femininity.  Long necks + long heads = show winners.  Right or wrong, that's the way it is.  I don't think I'd worry too much about that program fibbing on birth weights.

Feminine is not what came to mind when I saw that head.  Ribbons would explain a lot.  Ribbons have led cattle all over the place from good useful cattle 100 years ago to the belt buckle cattle to cattle that the Denver Champion were so big you could only see the top of the hat on six foot four Ric Hoyt as he stood behind him.

As far as cute heads and runts is concerned that could happen but my top end have heads that look like bulls and heifers look like a female.  Again I don't know whose cattle I picked on and I hope they have great success and long life. But I have never seen cattle with heads like that.

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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: April 28, 2021, 09:02:03 AM »

I have noticed shorthorns have short horn have noticed that some don't have any at all.    I lean towards Bonsma type cattle.  I don't know where she came from and I don't mean to pick on other peoples cattle, I don't see heads like that.  What do the heads of her male siblings look like?

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The Big Show / The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: April 27, 2021, 09:36:55 PM »


I suppose I am about to step on someone's toes here, but has anyone but me noticed the head on the heifer on the cover of the April edition of Shorthorn Country.  I guess I don't get out much but I have never seen a head on an animal that looks like an anteater with huge ears.  Without looking I will predict that the adrenal hair whorl will be at least 6 inches behind the shoulder blades.

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The Big Show / Re: New Herdsire
« on: February 28, 2021, 08:50:17 PM »
I agree and am right there with you.  The one thing missing is tenderness which in my opinion is the most important aspect of a satisfactory eating experience.

and yet no one is able to help. the technology is still in its infancy.  all the $ spent on genomics turned out to be that the purveyors had to teach more because the technology wasn't bringing in $. global warming tie-ins with feed efficiency didn't work.

the technology was not in a format that breeders could use other than to give away profit per head to genomics they couldn't use.

it was and still is a rating system to bottleneck breeds.

supposedly the info is there, but no way in hell will a breeder ever have access to information, different testing methods and links to those who can help them.

the system is simply too closed and the sad part is, it was funded partially by taxpayer dollars.

information is available and downloadable, but there are probably less than 10 organizations that can do anything about it outside of a university.
There is Dr. Allen Williams ultra sound which I believe I see anecdotal evidence  in animals harvested and the ultra sound readings.  Also Gerald Freye's linear measuring which I believe originated with Bonsma.

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The Big Show / Re: New Herdsire
« on: February 28, 2021, 12:45:35 PM »
An interesting question though is Kit Pharo's. If you have 50,000lb pot loads of calves and the one has 600lb calves in it and the other is loaded with 450lb calves, which pot load would you rather receive the money for. Most years the 450lb pot load of calves will bring somewhere in the neighborhood of $15k to $20K more than the 600lb calves. Something to think about. ::)
Low maintenance, fertility and calving ease, with at least average growth is the answer to profitability. You should find that your smaller cows have better wean weight ratios because of their higher efficiency. It's a no-brainer!
Some of you N. American Shorthorn guys need to get Pharo on board. His whole philosophy of profitability, with maximum satisfaction for the producer, through easy keeping, makes a lot of sense in anybody's language.
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I agree and am right there with you.  The one thing missing is tenderness which in my opinion is the most important aspect of a satisfactory eating experience.

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The Big Show / Re: New Herdsire
« on: February 15, 2021, 04:44:50 PM »
Shorthorn average is more performance than my environment can support.   Exposes the worst part about epds. People see the percentile ranking as better or worse instead of appropriately using them to identify and match a level of performance within the cattle to their environment.
Very well said.

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The Big Show / Re: Heritage/Native Shorthorn Bull Listing
« on: February 05, 2021, 11:15:05 AM »
I couldnt pull the pictures up-Id like to see him Back in the day we had some pretty big bulls Deertrail Awesome remains the biggest bull ive ever seen of any breed Big being a combo of frame length and mass He was around 3500 plus pounds at least O0
Who sired him?

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The Big Show / Re: Heritage/Native Shorthorn Bull Listing
« on: January 27, 2021, 12:57:10 PM »
Who would be qualified to make a list of bulls that are "relevant" and those that are not?  Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.  I know of no one that could make such a list based on the bulls of today of any breed, let alone those of 40+ years ago.  If one person sees a use for any bull, then he is "relevant."

I agree, I recently harvested a steer sired by  a not quite frame score 4 bull out of a cow that might weigh 1200 lbs.  He weighed 1250 and hung an 830 pound carcass.  That is profitable even though some people would think that is too small.... THAT ISNT SMALL AT ALL AND IT ALSO DOESNT SOUND LIKE THE NORM  THE NORM OUT OF WHAT SOUNDS LIKE PRETTY SMALL FRAMED CATTLE TO BEGIN WITH O0
This particular steer was a straight Native Shorthorn.  He was very deep and very thick.  He finished quite easily and that apparently contributed to his hanging weight.   I think that he probably carried the F94L myostatin gene, so maybe that isn't the norm.
beebe, how was the meat?

I didn't get to eat any of that one, I can't keep up anymore but the customers were happy with it.

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The Big Show / Re: Heritage/Native Shorthorn Bull Listing
« on: January 27, 2021, 09:24:29 AM »
Who would be qualified to make a list of bulls that are "relevant" and those that are not?  Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.  I know of no one that could make such a list based on the bulls of today of any breed, let alone those of 40+ years ago.  If one person sees a use for any bull, then he is "relevant."

I agree, I recently harvested a steer sired by  a not quite frame score 4 bull out of a cow that might weigh 1200 lbs.  He weighed 1250 and hung an 830 pound carcass.  That is profitable even though some people would think that is too small.... THAT ISNT SMALL AT ALL AND IT ALSO DOESNT SOUND LIKE THE NORM  THE NORM OUT OF WHAT SOUNDS LIKE PRETTY SMALL FRAMED CATTLE TO BEGIN WITH O0
This particular steer was a straight Native Shorthorn.  He was very deep and very thick.  He finished quite easily and that apparently contributed to his hanging weight.   I think that he probably carried the F94L myostatin gene, so maybe that isn't the norm.   

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The Big Show / Re: Heritage/Native Shorthorn Bull Listing
« on: January 14, 2021, 04:16:30 PM »
I did not say Romeo, "Too Tall", Fortune, or any other Weston bull was a belt buckle creature.  I just pointed out that the ancestry of many of those animals contained almost completely very small framed animals.  You would be hard pressed to find a photo of one that was not.  We used a son of Weston Goliath for several years, I saw Fillet, White Count, Independence, and many other Weston bred cattle.  They were not belt buckle cattle.  There's no arguing the fact that their ancestors were.  The first champion bulls at the Iowa State Fair that I remember were WL Golden Glory, Royal Tartan King, and PF Nugget in the early 60's.  By today's standards they were probably 3 frame scores.
 Virtually no one started talking about increased growth rate and frame size for several years and Leader 21, even noted as an outlier by his owner, came along at the right time.
I won't argue with anything you said.  I had a son of Fortune that was the best of the 4 Shorthorn bulls I had from Doc, today I would say he was a little too big.  He weighed 2300 and he stood much taller than he needed.  But sired consistent offspring.

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The Big Show / Re: Heritage/Native Shorthorn Bull Listing
« on: January 13, 2021, 06:41:23 PM »
Doc had a son of Romeo that he called Too Tall, also he had a son named Fortune that was no where near belt buckle cattle.

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The Big Show / Re: Eionmor Gus 80C vs Eionmor Ultra 8C
« on: November 25, 2020, 09:31:01 PM »
Thanks for that. Gus certainly seems to have both his fans and detractors. If their pictures are representative, Im more of an Ultra fan as well.
So how would Mr. Gus 85c fit in there?

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The Big Show / Re: Eionmor Gus 80C vs Eionmor Ultra 8C
« on: November 25, 2020, 08:49:55 PM »
Thanks for that. Gus certainly seems to have both his fans and detractors. If their pictures are representative, Im more of an Ultra fan as well.
So how would Mr. Gus 85 c fit in there?

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The Big Show / Re: Heritage heifer, DMH Cherry Blossom 2019
« on: November 15, 2020, 08:00:51 PM »
Beebe, since we are talking, check out this 3/4 Galloway 1/4 Shorthorn Bull calf. His maternal grand sire was my old Shorthorn Bull Amos. The sire is the same Red Galloway that the Cherry heifer is bred to.
I could see how Amos could be part of that.  He is a good soggy calf.

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The Big Show / Re: Heritage heifer, DMH Cherry Blossom 2019
« on: November 14, 2020, 08:56:01 AM »
First time around she is bred to my red Galloway bull because his calves have been  so well shaped and vigorous. Maybe next year I will just let her run with her paternal half brother, DMH Felix just to see the result.

Nice cow,  I too like the 189 cow and am try to do some line breeding to her.

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