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I owned Lazy D Ultimate Type and GR Cop Top Trampass and used an ET son of Boris out of Bonnie Ruberta (Deerpark Leader 18th daughter) at one time.  I purchased Ultimate Type as a calf from Lazy D, later sold him to Duane Sicht, and Merle Welch purchased most of the semen at Duane's sale a few years later. For many years he was an ASA balanced trait leader.  The photo you provided was taken in our orchard.  I bought Trampass from Merle and thought he followed Ultimate Type as being near perfect in conformation for the time.  Ultimate Type was a direct son of Highfield Una 3rd and Trampass was a grand son.  Both bulls worked extremely well for me for many years and I would not be afraid to use them again.  The Boris son was not used as much, but his daughters were absolutely magnificent cows.  He was very moderate in size.  I tried many other bulls on the list and liked the calves I got out of all of them.  There are some good bulls on that list and Merle deserves much credit for developing them.  I last saw him at the Missouri sale a few years ago and had a good visit with him.   

The Big Show / Re: Cattle with small brains.
« on: June 10, 2021, 09:03:32 AM »
Use it or lose it.  As the government continues their attempt to do our "thinking" for us, the results are obvious. 

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: May 28, 2021, 09:05:23 AM »
Mark:  Thanks for making my point.  Next time I'll try to be more clear.  Breed standards?  Black Maines, Black Limmys, black Gelbvieh, black Chis with virtually no Chi breeding, black Chars, red Chars, black Simmys.  And we're worried about a black nose.  More power to Shorthorn Country if they try to emphasize the use of Shorthorns on commercial herds, whether they tried to do that with the cover in questions or not. 

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: May 26, 2021, 04:20:13 PM »
I didn't know Char. were red pigmented.  I guess you learn something every day.  Speaking of "pure", how many "pure" Charolais are there around?  Are there any "pure" Herefords out there, black nose or not?  Weren't there some "pure" Herefords not long ago that threw rat tails?  I would say those animals had more serious problems than black noses.  If you look, at the WHR photo in question, the heifer in the background is clearly not a purebred Shorthorn, even if she has a white nose.  They offer several plusses each year in their sale and there's a real possibility the black nosed heifer in question is also a plus, making this discussion even more useless than it already is. 

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: May 24, 2021, 10:07:34 AM »
On the top ten list of selection factors for my herd, a black nose would be about 25th. 

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: May 17, 2021, 09:21:48 AM »
Torgerson's white with a black nose Pearl (sired by Clark) was long before that.  1975 I think.  She did a ton of winning.  We had an occasional black nosed Shorthorn back in the 60's.  Nothing new. 

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: May 11, 2021, 09:23:28 AM »
I will take tame cattle any day.  I believe there is a very high correlation between "tameness" and the environment the animal is placed in.  (namely, the people they're exposed to)

« on: May 04, 2021, 04:03:02 PM »
I certainly liked the bull these calves are sired by and the calves look good, but I don't think the Native breeders want cattle that look like this or that are used for the purpose these calves will be used for.  I'm thankful we have breeders raising the kind of cattle they like and hats off to the Natives for keeping the genetics alive.  Likewise, kudos to JIT and Ryan for raising and promoting what they like.

You're right.  I can't really predict calving ease from head shape very well, either.  Some of the hardest calving animals I've heard of around here were Holsteins and they certainly didn't have a short, blocky head.  Maybe shoulder structure would be a more accurate clue? 

The Big Show / Re: cattle on the hot seat
« on: April 29, 2021, 09:40:28 AM »
Interesting perspective on nukes and the cold war.  You should have been around in the 60's.  When I was in elementary school, we routinely had nuclear bomb day.  When the alarm in the school went off, we bent over, put our heads on our desks, and placed our hands over our heads.  We remained that way until the all clear alarm sounded.  I don't know a lot about nuclear bombs, but I don't think our actions would have truly protected us very well.  We were told the radioactive fall out from the nuclear bomb would travel 30 miles.  There was, and still is I believe, a small nuclear reactor in Ames.  I did the math and our house was about 25 miles away.  We were screwed.  Bomb shelter kits were advertised on TV and I knew several people that built one.  Canned goods that were edible for 50 years and more were advertised.  My grandkids tell me they're now eating that food through the school lunch program, but I don't know if that's true.  By the way, we were told the Ames reactor was definitely on the Reds list to take care of.  When you're 5 o7 years old this kind of stuff scares you.  Lots of stuff scares you at that age.  I remember when John Kennedy was assassinated I was absolutely sure the person(s) responsible were going to drive to my house and get me.  There was an attic door in my closet, so to be safe I put my box of magazines in front of the closet door.  Of course the magazines were all Shorthorn Worlds. 

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: April 28, 2021, 08:58:08 AM »
That's femininity.  Long necks + long heads = show winners.  Right or wrong, that's the way it is.  I don't think I'd worry too much about that program fibbing on birth weights. 

I guarantee you those old belt buckle cattle were hard calving.  Since most of them back then were horned, we referred to them as square headed.  Every breed was the same.  The first heifer I purchased with my own money was a daughter of Bapton Crusader.  She sure was deep, small, and easy keeping.  Unfortunately, we found her in the creek attempting to calve.  We drug her out of the creek, got the calf, hauled the heifer up to the barn on the flatbed trailer and she never got up.  I was young, inexperienced, and learned a lot that day, the hard way.  Those belt buckle cattle were the hardest calving I've had in 60 years.  The only ones that came close were the Dreamboats.  I used several fullblood Maines over the years, but was fortunate in that I avoided Crack, etc. 

The Big Show / Re: cattle on the hot seat
« on: April 27, 2021, 11:59:49 AM »
Check out Kamal Harris' viewpoint on beef consumption on the Fox News website.  Just read it.

The Big Show / Re: cattle on the hot seat
« on: April 27, 2021, 11:31:11 AM »
Unfortunately, we are rapidly moving away from a somewhat free capitalistic way of life to a more socialistic brand totally controlled by the east/west coast elite.  Every day some company introduces another meatless "burger".  Too often some state introduces a proposal to limit or greatly influence livestock production, especially beef.  Some government agency advocates Meatless Mondays all the time.  I have heard way too many celebrity types talk about giving up beef to save the planet.  It's coming.  Livestock producers, especially cattlemen, need to step up to the plate.  Do you suppose the New York Times would print an article contradicting the imminent demise of the planet resulting from beef production?  I would bet not.   

The Big Show / cattle on the hot seat
« on: April 27, 2021, 09:14:08 AM »
Epicurious magazine announced they have eliminated any beef recipes from their future publications.  They said it wasn't anything against cattle, just trying to do their part to save the planet.  According to the article I read, an arm of the UN declared that 15% of all global greenhouse gas emissions derive from livestock.  Of that, 65% is attributed to cattle.  I heard some story over the weekend that the Government's Green New Deal proposal would limit red meat consumption to 4 pounds per year, though that was walked back some yesterday.  Does the National Beef Producers organization have any contrary information they could present?  Is there anything to be done to combat this type of thing?  Are cattle really so bad that we all need to jump off a cliff?  After chasing the cattle off first, of course?  I'm not too smart, but I have a hard time believing that cattle do more harm to the environment than all the cars in Los Angeles.  True or not, the perception is out there. 

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