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The Big Show / Re: Angus Bull Calf, Critique Wanted
« on: October 16, 2016, 05:40:49 PM »
Updated pasture photo from today.

The Big Show / Angus Bull Calf, Critique Wanted
« on: August 23, 2016, 06:43:17 PM »
Anyone have conformation critique on this bull calf? Contemplating selling him at our beef expo. Purebred Angus, Registration number 18498115 if anyone wants to take a look at his EPD's. Sired by Tour of Duty out of a Dixie Erica cow. He is a late February calf.

The Big Show / Re: My bull is a mess! Suggestions needed!
« on: May 10, 2016, 01:07:45 PM »
Show Coat or MTG.

The Big Show / Re: First-N-Goal
« on: April 29, 2016, 08:47:46 PM »
I have one on the ground though is out of a purebred Angus. Came in the 85lb range unassisted out of a large framed cow. Can try to get a pic if anyone is interested. A little over a month old. I've seen some pretty good ones and some pretty average ones. Too early for me to tell on ours. Born tall, probably 2" taller than a bull calf a week older then her.

The Big Show / Favorite bulls for club calf mamas?
« on: April 25, 2016, 10:10:59 AM »
I've read many past threads but I'm curious what people are using today as their base animals. I have purebred Angus, was planning to breed to another purebred (sim, maine, shorthorn, etc) to make halfbloods which would then be bred clubby. Anyone have recommendations? Have a few straws of Chill Factor in the tank but really want to use sexed semen. Would love to hear your recommendations, conventional and old options welcome too.

The Big Show / Re: What should cross well with PVF Insight?
« on: April 25, 2016, 05:44:28 AM »
 Slider the purebred Angus bull

https://www.firstchoiceonlinesales.com/ is a cool one IMO. They have some different features and a better design for me.

Tons and tons of sale sites out there. This doesn't even include the more commercial sale sites like Superior Livestock.

The Big Show / Would you keep/buy a twin as a herd bull?
« on: March 30, 2016, 09:18:45 AM »
I have a Dixie Erica X Tour of Duty bull calf who is looking pretty good. He was born twin to a heifer. Heifer didn't make it, found her too late. So trying to decide if he is worth raising as a bull and selling him at the local beef expo. Have a full sib heifer from last year who is pretty good. Very deep bodied, moderate framed heifer, with a fantastic temperament. Good EPD's as well. So assuming he meets visual and performance standards as he continues to grow is it worthwhile to keep him a bull or is it standard practice to cut twins? Thanks!

The Big Show / Looking for angus embryos...
« on: January 30, 2016, 05:16:06 PM »
Looking to buy a package of Angus embryos. Must be purebred Angus. Not interested in other breeds at this time. The goal for them is to make high quality show animals. Sexed heifer preferred but not required. Anyone have anything to sell? We are on a budget so will not be able to spend $1000+ per embryo. Feel free to message me or post what you have. Have a cow open right now that we are hoping to use as a recip so need them soon. Thanks in advance!!

The Big Show / Re: Breeding a MAB Heifer for calving ease????
« on: December 19, 2015, 07:39:32 PM »
I have a Sim Angus X MAB who will get bred to Slider after she is shown as a Market Heifer assuming she doesn't fall apart.

The Big Show / Re: SHOW STEERS
« on: November 27, 2015, 11:46:35 AM »
I would say name and reputation factor in to not being able to sell. My family is in the same boat. But I wholeheartedly agree with the poster above. Absolutely must look like show cattle, have the hair, halterbroke, chubby, ready to walk into a show arena. We are going to most likely consign steers to sales in the area and know that they may sell at market value for a while. It's a process.

The Big Show / Re: Show Coat
« on: November 16, 2015, 11:49:08 PM »
I was also very skeptical of the product. Bought a gallon and will continue to use the product from now on. It makes training the hair so much easier. Like a poster above said it really helps with the quality of hair. The heifer we used it on had 2"+ of hair in the 90 degree heat before using this product so I can't really say if it helps with hair growth or not.

The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn Genetic Problems
« on: September 15, 2015, 02:56:36 PM »
Is it correct to assume, then, that the Angus Association has defined the severity of different defects at different levels?  So, for example, if they determined that PHA is worse than TH, the rules you outlined might apply to PHA and not TH?  In Shorthorns, there doesn't appear to be the level of concern about DS as opposed to TH or PHA.  Following the Angus Association's lead, the ASA might have rules similar to those you outlined for CA and less strict rules for DS?  Does the Angus Association have the stated goal to eliminate the defects altogether?  By sheer rules of probability, half of the calves of carrier dams will carry the defect gene when mated to clean bulls, so little if any progress towards eliminating the gene will result unless the breeders make a conscientious effort to eliminate carrier females as well.  Just interested in other breeds' guidelines.

Ok I looked into it more. M1 and DD are the two defects the Angus Association  will register all calves regardless of status. All other defects, CA, AM, D2, and NH, follow the policy I posted above. Carrier females can be registered but carrier Bulls cannot. I personally would not buy a carrier female and I haven't ever seen one offered for sale. Had a breeder we wanted to buy embryos from basically say they were not for sale because they were old embryos before one of these tests. So the offspring could be potential carriers and they didn't want to pass that onto us. Their words. My family has always been more of the opinion that there are so many good non carrier cattle out there in the angus breed we don't need something else to manage. But we are also trying to get into the bull market and cannot do that when getting carrier Bulls. I do think it is a valid point that none of those defects that I know of in the angus breed are associated with anything positive. So we have no reason to want carriers.

The Big Show / Re: Shorthorn Genetic Problems
« on: September 15, 2015, 10:53:28 AM »
Perhaps someone can enlighten me on the rules for recording carrier animals in the Angus, Simmental, and Maine Anjou breeds.  Do you have to test an Angus for all of the genetic defects in the breed to register the calf?  Has the Angus breed lost members since the "discovery" of all their defects?  Is no one investing in Angus cattle anymore?   As long as we're going backwards in time, perhaps we should wish the Angus breed would have taken care of the influx of Holsteins way back when.  I had a discussion with our Executive Secretary almost 20 years ago when I had what turned out to be a TH calf.  He said he thought he knew the source, but until he was absolutely 100% sure, he really couldn't do too much, let alone pull papers or refuse to record future offspring.  No commercial cattleman with any genetic knowledge whatsoever should avoid a Shorthorn bull because of possible genetic defects.  No one wanting to invest in Shorthorn cattle should elect not to because of possible genetic defects.  The percentage of CLEAN genetics far outweighs the opposite.  It's no harder to select for clean genetics than the quality you want.   

Angus cattle defect policy is very similar to what someone suggested above. (*NOTE: It also depends on the defect as to their policy. This one is for CA.) Carrier females can be registered, but their offspring have to be tested with the exception of steers. Any calves that are bulls have to test free of the defect to be able to be registered, heifer carriers can be registered. Any AI bull that tests positive as a carrier will no longer be able to have registered offspring conceived 60 days following the denotation of carrier.

References: http://www.angus.org/pub/CA/CAFactSheet.pdf

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