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The Big Show / Re: Movement and Soundness 101....
« on: November 23, 2010, 09:32:12 PM »
Brad, could you explain what you mean by "talks with their head?"  As I understand it, a calf's back should remain in a natural position while on the move.  But should the head move slightly up in down, or should it remain vertically still?  Thanks.

Like CAB already said, I call them "HEAD BOBBERS".  If you ever get a chance to go into a good commercial herd of cows that have to walk a ways for their water, stop and watch them as they're going to get a drink.  There heads are bobbing up and down, chewing their cud, without a care in the world.  Too often when we analyse cattle with clubby breeding we can't help but stereotype them by their sires and the known problems that they can pass on and OFTEN do. 

Generally when the head remains still or even somewhat stiff, that means they are laboring in their movement.  If they're laboring, chances are they're too vertical somewhere.

The Big Show / Movement and Soundness 101....
« on: November 22, 2010, 02:24:57 PM »
Movement and soundness in females is and should always be a hot topic in whatever segment of the beef industry you are in, especially the show ring.  However, trying to learn what makes an individual "sound" in their movement can be frustrating to those who aren't exactly sure what they are looking for.

I'm attaching a link to an Angus heifer I video'd last week.  She is as close to PERFECTLY SOUND as any I've seen in a while.  Watch her head and spine as she moves.....it is completely relaxed and comfortable.  Her front feet are pawing the ground like a leopard, and her rear feet are stepping right in the hoof print of the front feet every time.  But her head is the key....any time they "talk with their head" like that.....their joints are ALL in sync with each other.

Just thought somebody might like to see what cattle are supposed to move like.


The Big Show / Re: "MY TURN" Information by Brad Hook.....please read.
« on: November 17, 2010, 08:36:33 PM »
I just picked up a my turn heifer bred to a Ali x Heatwave bull...  She looks real good, hopefully the calf will look even better.

Just videoed a couple for Goretskas Online sale today that were awesome.  On steer out of a Throttle g'daughter that was as stout as I've seen for a while.  Watch for those videos and you'll see what I mean.

The Big Show / Re: "MY TURN" Information by Brad Hook.....please read.
« on: November 17, 2010, 08:06:04 PM »
His birthday can't be right.  His sire was  born in '04, My Turn in '05?  I saw him in '07 in Denver...

Sorry I left early yesterday morning to video at Dr. Jeff Holmes and didn't get home until later last night.  BTW.....that's a heck of a set of heifers!

Must be a typo on the website.  My Turn was born in 2006 and displayed in Denver 2007, one of the coldest EVER.  -6 to -8 degrees EVERY morning we walked out of the hotel.
  Brad have you taken alook @ the link above's listed pedigree? Is it correct now? B/C there are things not quite right about some of the other info. Thanks

Yes, that pedigree is right.....ALL except My Turns birthday.  He is a 2006.

The Big Show / Re: "MY TURN" Information by Brad Hook.....please read.
« on: November 17, 2010, 07:01:57 AM »
His birthday can't be right.  His sire was  born in '04, My Turn in '05?  I saw him in '07 in Denver...

Sorry I left early yesterday morning to video at Dr. Jeff Holmes and didn't get home until later last night.  BTW.....that's a heck of a set of heifers!

Must be a typo on the website.  My Turn was born in 2006 and displayed in Denver 2007, one of the coldest EVER.  -6 to -8 degrees EVERY morning we walked out of the hotel.

Ryan.....what camera are you using?  Looks like you put it up in HD, right?

Oh, we are adding dating   (lol)

Did you ask your WIFE FIRST?......... (lol) (lol) (lol)

The Big Show / Right Turn in Kansas City! Part 1 video now up.....
« on: October 29, 2010, 08:18:23 AM »

Will try and finish this series by 2012! lol  (actually, will have Part 2 done the first of next week)


The Big Show / Re: american royal
« on: October 26, 2010, 03:22:28 PM »
So...... JBH how much is that semen going for now? how does he test?

Same.....retail $25.  TH Carrier - PHA Clean

The Big Show / Re: $2200 PRIME Example......
« on: October 26, 2010, 02:21:05 PM »
There are a million stories like this one.  Some can be extremely frustrating for breeders trying to sell calves when you can't even get buyers to come look.  My father-in-law was/is one of those frustrated breeders.  What we do now is primarily for my own sons to show.  We still sell a few, but that's not our focus.

I've told this before, but for those who have never heard it:  In the fall of 2003, two very prominent traders in Texas left steers standing in our pasture at a price of $1500 each.  Two of them wound up in the dome at Houston as a breed and reserve breed champion.  One of them later went through another very prominent club calf auction.  He brought a little over $2500, but the very prominent auctioneer screwed up and kept running him and the calf was "caught".  Calf went home with us again.  We later wound up trading that calf for a heifer just to get him shown.  After the kid's parents took the $12,500 they pocketed from Houston, they went on to a great and glorious show career buying and showing calves from darn near everyone in Texas but us.  My father-in-law gave them all the bird and every calf we would have had for sale in the spring of 05 went to the feedlot.

It takes a lot of effort, but calves can be bought from breeders at astonishingly low prices.  Most of us do it because we love it, certainly not because we depend on club calf sales for a living.  Most of what you are paying for with traders should be the access to their knowledge and help - which is very valuable.

Congrats on My Turn hitting a lick for you.  I'll be ordering semen on him later this week.

Chambero......I  FEEL your pain.....but unfortunately I don't have a cure. BELIEVE me, you are NOT alone.

Our industry is a very complex one when viewed as an actual business.  It's really no different than a basketball manufacturers business(weird example, I know).  We are producing a product (the breeder/manufacturer) that is going to be redistributed to many other kids and adults (the trader/corporate sales staff), for the new owner to try and become as good with as they possibly can, and to see just how high a level of success they can achieve.

There are all different kinds of actual basketballs being made, used by all different skill levels of athletes......much like calves and cattle showmen/fitters.  Very FEW make it to the pros....and if you do make it to the pros, that means you HAVE to make a living doing it then.  I've been on both sides of the fence (literally) on this issue, and it can be very hard to balance.  Some traders don't want ANYONE to know where their calves come from for fear of this very example with the Am. Royal this year.  Now all the sudden the breeder of this steer becomes a rockstar, and his crudentials and calves subsequently go higher.

On the other hand(your hand).... breeders bust their rear 365 days a year with every aspect of raising one, and would like to be paid for it AND receive recognition.  Tracy Goretska probably handles this issue about as good as any trader I know.  He tells anyone who wants to know, where the calf came from.....he'll generally even tell you how much he's got in the calf, and views it as an actual business deal, not a swap meet.  And if the breeder strikes it big, then the next year if he can't afford to buy your best one, he'll put it in his sale on partnership.

The key to success is no one getting greedy......and everyone staying realistic.  I always told breeders to expect the worst and hope for the best.  Then you have to remember that once a calf is sold HIGH by a trader.....they have to get paid for it!  And lots of times this isn't EASY!  So breeders, if you ever produce a winner.....SHOUT it from the highest mountain.....once! Get the traders attention, and then form a positive relationship (if at all possible)lol.  When it boils right down to it, neither one of you are really much good without the other......so the better you can get along, the better you'll get along.  (this wasn't directed at you Chambero, just in general)

The Big Show / $2200 PRIME Example......
« on: October 26, 2010, 10:58:13 AM »
It appears the initial purchase price of the Grand Champion Steer at this years American Royal was made by a trader for only $2200.  The point in me saying this is not intended to harm anyones reputation, but SIMPLY to point out the MANY variables involved in our crazy little business of showing steers.

First of all, from what I understand, the steer calf when sold the first time was a bit green in condition, but extremely hairy and big boned.  Second of all, he was NOT out of a "popular" bull that had yet produced many, if any, major show winners. 

How many times have we as potential buyers been looking at this exact same scenario, knowing you're either doing something really SMART or really STUPID.   Well this time the forces aligned positively, and with the help of probably one of the best homes in the country....a CHAMPION is produced.

Now I'm NOT against our industry bringing in as much MONEY for our product as we can.....better us than a boat or automobile company getting it.....we've had this discussion on here before.  But unfortunately not everyone can pay these extreme purchase prices.  Dont' get me WRONG.....more power to you if you can, and chances are 95% of the calves that win aren't going to be cheap.

But this is the PRIME example, coming from a guy who has believed SO MUCH in a bull from day one, and had EVERYTHING in the world go wrong promoting one that could, that if you'll just keep your eye sharp, and "NOT look at watch you see, but instead see what you're looking at".....you might just catch a break too. (remember....I started showing calves out of my Dad's feedlot.....and WON!) lol

Of course, this steer got higher every time he was traded, and what Goretska's gave for him was not cheap.  But isn't it nice to know that at least the opportunities still exist if we can recognize them!

The floor is now open for discussion.....lol

The Big Show / Re: american royal
« on: October 26, 2010, 10:00:54 AM »
it says on matt lautners blog that goretska's bought that steer for only $2200

You probably need to reread Matt's Blog......it doesn't say "Goretska's" bought the steer for $2200......because they didn't.  I don't know EXACTLY who bought him first, but I do know that Kevin Bremer (who I think actually bought him first), Chad Foreman and Nick Rieman were all involved with the steer in some manner, before Tracy ever got ahold of him.

All I know is.....I'm just tickled they all did what they did......'cause it worked out pretty dang nice! And I was sure to personally thank all of them that were there.

Zak.....the steer was raised in Nebraska by Thunker's, and was in a sale with Mark Landgren.  I got a pre-show interview with them at the Royal that turned out nice.

The Big Show / Re: american royal
« on: October 25, 2010, 07:38:58 AM »
clonefan- what was the steer?

He had some of the thickest legs i have ever seen(or you could just say hairy)


He was a My Turn x De Ja Vu cow. 

I was editing videos at home......watching it on liveauctions.tv webstream......texting back and forth with Goretska's.

 After he won Division 2, and I started getting phone calls about how good he looked, I grabbed my camera's and went down to KC and filmed, hoping to capture MY TURN's first MAJOR win with a steer......and I did!

I viewed the raw footage last night and you guys are gonna love this video series.  Hope to get started on it later in the week.

The Big Show / Real Barns...Goretska FINALE now up.
« on: October 14, 2010, 07:45:52 AM »
The last installment of Real Barns.....Goretska is up and it ends right at his sale time, the MAIN reason that his barn exists. This probably won't be the last you see of Tracy on the B.S.......we're working on a REAL interesting project to be announced at a later date, after some i's are dotted and t's crossed.  THANKS everyone.



The Big Show / Re: Watch as Goretska Videos GO UP!
« on: October 09, 2010, 05:20:34 PM »
I may have missed this earlier, but what is the sale average usually?  What is usually the price ranges?

I really don't know.....it would be fairly high, BUT I wouldn't pay any attention to it.  There's always a couple that get stupid high, which bumps the average, and ALWAYS some very good calves sold worth the money because they got lost in the shuffle of having TOO MANY good ones. No joke.

DON'T assume the one you like is going to get too high and not call.  I've seen it happen EVERY year.

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