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Hopster1000, that is food for thought, as an old farmer used to say to the preacher on Sunday after the sermon.  Yours and other posters sure got my attention about the phenotype of offspring of myostatin carriers. 

Many hog breeds added thickness to their hams and general muscularity by infusing Pietrain genetics, a quick fix.  If one is patient, is adding natural thickness to beef cattle by selection not preferable to getting there rapidly via myostatin carriers?

I watched several pigs die as a result of it as well. 30 plus years later, maybe even 100+ in some cases, and they're still sorting the resulting stress gene out of the populations. Some of those populations were never even supposed to have had the source of that gene in them. Odd how that works.

We made some really lean protein, that occasionally tasted funny, as fast as we could though.

The incidence of myostatin in the cattle isn't a major problem for me as long as I know it is there and can plan for it. However I am starting to be of the opinion that it is much better to breed cattle without it, for one main reason, and that is because I think it hides narrow cattle. Not always, but you will soon find out when you get offspring from a myostatin carrier that is free from the mutation.
Suddenly what you had thought of was a thick line of cattle turns out to be not when the myostatin mutation is bred out of it.
A single mutation doesn't seem to cause problems with milk, calving or fertility etc It's the thickness that disappears when it disappears is my issue with it.

I think most people over look this.

Not only is it a false phenotype, but it is also affecting the numbers. The system can't comprehend that the marbling and rib eye are unusual for a reason or that the ww an yw might out perform the prediction. Throw a half a dozen carriers into the breed organized sire test and you have a mess within what was already a borderline statistical guess.

I plan to use a well known e226x carrier on a myo free cow, for non muscling reasons, and have found an F94L carrier I would also like to try. The F94L carrier's phenotype is the reason I was interested in using him, but his test results have put him on the back burner until I convince myself there isn't a clean bull out there built like he is to try instead.

I added a couple bulls to the tank and missed out on a couple others. I was surprised how much people were willing to pay for the bulls I didn't get. It would be interesting to know where some of the volume buys went and how they plan on using it.

This bred heifer is out of an Ultimate Type cow.

The Big Show / Re: OCC Great Plains
« on: June 11, 2021, 02:30:24 PM »
Any thoughts on Anchor?
As good of a female maker that ever walked at occ imo. Just not calving ease for hfrs imo

I keep saying I'll use one of my straws of him on one of my shorthorn donors, but never do. I know it was done back in the day with great success, but no one wanted to pay for them so the F1s simply lived out their days in silence.

The Big Show / Re: Cattle with small brains.
« on: June 09, 2021, 11:12:52 PM »
I've always believed docility comes at a cost.

My horned cattle often appear smarter than my polled cattle.

I occasionally wonder what being around cows does to the human brain. I no longer wonder what being around too many other humans does to the brain. It's obvious.

« on: May 10, 2021, 12:45:18 PM »
registered as shorthorn
have 1 pregnancy from cow 1 and 2 embryos in recips from cow 2 from this bull

Are either of the donors in the ASA as 3/4?

The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« on: April 28, 2021, 11:44:41 AM »
I wish I had their sale average.

I expected people to complain about her nose. The calf appears to be a fairly tightly line bred animal.

The Shorthorn Country appears to be nearly begging for high quality pictures that can be used on the cover of the magazine on a regular basis. I wish more commercial breeders would step up to the plate.

The Big Show / Re: UK breeding cattle sale
« on: April 14, 2021, 02:58:02 PM »
Am I correct in believing these "show calves" are actually judged by the abattoir buyers, or their connections, at the shows and that's what drives their more extreme lean meat phenotype?

The Big Show / Re: dutch belted
« on: April 11, 2021, 04:45:07 PM »
The Hoffman family in Illinois has been preserving a grazing herd of dutch belted and milking shorthorns for several decades. They also offer a fair amount of semen on bulls of both breeds.

The Big Show / Re: Proposed Colorado livestock legislation
« on: April 08, 2021, 05:33:27 PM »
Angus Association..

The Events and Education Committee approved both the Cattlemens Congress and National Western Stock Show as Super ROV shows in 2022. Pen shows will be held in both locations. The American Angus Association will host the 2022 National Bull Sale at Cattlemens Congress in Oklahoma City.


The Big Show / Re: Proposed Colorado livestock legislation
« on: April 08, 2021, 05:24:47 PM »
KANSAS CITY, Missouri (April 8, 2021) The American Shorthorn Association Board of Directors met to discuss the Shorthorn breed participation at the 2022 Cattlemens Congress and 2022 National Western Livestock Show.

The Board of Directors unanimously approved the 2021-2022 ASA Point Show System recognizing the 2022 Cattlemens Congress as a super national Shorthorn show and the 2022 National Western Livestock Show as a regional show.


We are excited to announce Cattlemens Congress as a super national show for our membership, said Montie Soules, Executive Secretary/CEO of ASA. Our new show system expands the available point shows to allow more breeders to exhibit across the country. We look forward to seeing our show participation grow for the 2021-2022 show season.



The Big Show / Re: Proposed Colorado livestock legislation
« on: April 07, 2021, 05:37:03 PM »
KANSAS CITY, Mo. A decision has been made on the recognition of national shows for January 2022.

The American Hereford Association (AHA) Board of Directors met this week during their spring board meeting to make a decision about recognition levels of the Cattlemens Congress in Oklahoma City, Okla. and National Western Stock Show (NWSS) in Denver, Colo. The AHA Board voted to host the 2022 National Show and National Hereford Sale during the Cattlemens Congress in Oklahoma City.

The shows and exhibitor surveys were all taken into consideration during this decision. It was decided that Cattlemens Congress in Oklahoma City will host the 2022 National Show and National Hereford Sale, junior show and pen show.

Following Cattlemens Congress, AHA will recognize the NWSS as a Regional Point Show. The AHA will share more information and schedules with its membership and interested parties once both venues have been notified and establish final changes.


The Big Show / Re: Proposed Colorado livestock legislation
« on: March 31, 2021, 03:10:53 PM »
i'd say keep the national western out of denver until they balance narratives to be more friendly to all instead of just one narrative.

the left is about choice, but in reality, all they do is eliminate it.

Cattleman's Congress has already scheduled their next show to overlap with the National Western's dates. Oklahoma has committed to supporting the show and claimed it brought in something crazy like 40 million dollars to their economy. A choice now exists, so people will be able to speak with their dollars.

I believe it was the Hereford association who might have threatened to pull out of the National Western all together.

The Big Show / Re: Broker
« on: March 08, 2021, 10:56:36 AM »
It sells in various online sales in small amounts on a regular basis if you want to try to watch for a bargain. Minnaert usually has a few straws of him in most of his sales and it looks like he's having one tomorrow.

The Big Show / Re: Breeding with Sexed Semen Timing question
« on: March 04, 2021, 11:16:28 AM »
You will see a significant improvement if you delay your timing. ST calls 16-24 acceptable and 18-22 ideal. I've been targeting 18 the last two years with good success.

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