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The Big Show / Re: Can We Get Some "STEER" In Steerplanet
« on: October 16, 2020, 10:36:59 AM »
Having a goat show across the fence from a steer show of this magnitude just seems like a bad idea. I've noticed multiple kids miss their mark and have to circle after their steer noticed and reacted to the weird little creature across the fence that they've probably never seen before.

The Big Show / Re: Your thoughts on some Shorthorn AI Sires
« on: October 03, 2020, 02:42:32 PM »
At one time I'd romantically ramble about head size, shape, and the old breed character you can see in an animal's head. Probably still will from time to time and have culled some alligators I just didn't like to look at. As time has gone on, I've found the one trait animals absolutely need to have here just so happens to show up in a lot of cattle with heads much uglier than yours. By culling as I was, I was screwing up my herd's natural ability to adapt to my environment.

Several of the "best looking" heads I've had or bought semen on have flunked out terribly here. I guess I haven't learned my lesson just yet as I keep falling back into old habits and testing them when I see a "great head" on one. I guess at the very least they look good when I dump them off at the sale barn.

The Big Show / Re: Overdue Solution heifer
« on: October 01, 2020, 09:52:22 AM »
+1 on this. I used to have a pair of Creole cows who consistently went 2-3 weeks past their due dates and the calves were never under 100lbs. We had a crazy number of C Sections and prolapses with those genetics.. make sure she's induced to calve during regular veterinary hours because I'd be shocked if she had a normal sized calf.

Which Creole bull and what was on the bottom side of the cows?

The Big Show / Re: Abortion
« on: September 25, 2020, 08:37:13 PM »
It's always the good ones.

I don't see a location, and it could be any number of things, but Lepto and anaplas ran wild in some areas last fall.

The Big Show / Re: Can We Get Some "STEER" In Steerplanet
« on: September 25, 2020, 08:33:25 PM »
75 lots averaged $9727.33


It's always nice to see a strong sale.

I'm not able to see the sale figure in a few of those steers, but it's nice to see some Wynne In Doubt calves. He was one of the few bulls I found interesting out of that peer group.

The Big Show / Re: Angus heifers?
« on: September 24, 2020, 08:58:31 PM »
In my experience, the CCC bulls need bred to a certain type of animal.
Medium Rare, what type has worked best for you?

They need to carry some frame, extension through their front one third, some performance, depth of heel, and milk if you plan to keep them. The best calves have come from shorthorn cows, but I've only had a few out of maine angus cows to compare them with. Primo threw more muscling than Creed. I don't believe I have any of the Inspire calves on the ground yet to compare to the other two.

The Big Show / Re: Anyone ever successfully IVF'd a cystic donor?
« on: September 20, 2020, 09:59:52 AM »
As far as I know, DFR is still a physical procedure done when flushing traditionally. You're basically draining the dominant follicle similar to aspirating the ovary during IVF.

If I was you, I would be concentrating on IVF. If treatment shows you can get a window of regression on the cyst, I would shoot for aspiration during that window. Either way, you might only be working with the good clean ovary so reduced production should be expected. Being a heifer without the pregnancy and calving process to mature her, it's going to compound the problem. They also like to be cautious with the FSH on heifers, and for good reason, but it doesn't help with production. If you feel like you have nothing to lose, you might have to push the limits on round two or three before giving up.

If you attempt this, I would make sure to have her in the correct body condition, on an increased plain of nutrition, getting plenty of exercise, on a friendly ration, and only use semen with a collection code that has a history of giving a high egg to oocyte ratio.

The Big Show / Re: Angus heifers?
« on: September 16, 2020, 01:27:39 PM »
I would imagine California is a whole different deal when compared to the midwest. Would it make more sense to take the top tier calf budget and divide it up into implanting eggs for the next year and running a middle tier bargain this year? If people are nervous about show cancelations, I would think there would be several middle tier calves running under the radar at farms that don't have a nation wide reputation that allows them to stick to their guns.

In my experience, the CCC bulls need bred to a certain type of animal. I have a feeling a lot of the eggs I see being offered out of many of today's show heifers might not click as well as expected.

The Big Show / Re: Your thoughts on some Shorthorn AI Sires
« on: September 14, 2020, 12:58:03 PM »
What's everyone's experience with the Red Reward lines as far as performance? How about as mother cows?

I have a couple cows out of a son. They're not the best looking animals on the place, but they have some size, mother well with functional udders, and have raised some really nice bull claves. If I had left the nuts on them they would have been purchased by commercial cow men. Have had a couple other bull calves out of another son that also grew extremely well.

Currently have 3 or 4 direct daughters in a replacement pen being raised along side commercial calves. They are growing well and are some of the easiest fleshing in the pen. Those females are looking like they tend to follow their mothers, which I have no problem with. They're also faster maturing when compared to several of my heavily Canadian influenced cattle.

His semen has also worked well for me. Made 16 usable sexed heifer eggs via IVF just last week and the IVF that made my current daughters was a split straw use that also did very well. If I had just listened to rumors and hearsay, I never would have used the bull. Reality has me wishing I had another cane of semen as I will be using more of what I have in the future.

Chi about has to be on the list. An that's only if you consider less than 10% as still being in the breed.

A lot of people overlook the fact that kids who show a certain breed as a Jr have a way of coming back later. It might be after college or even after retirement, but they often go searching for the breed that they remember and have much more money to spend the second time around.

There are those who also say today's Jr showmen will be the only chance many breeds have of surviving in any noticeable numbers 20-30 years from now.

The Big Show / Re: Your thoughts on some Shorthorn AI Sires
« on: August 01, 2020, 11:22:15 AM »
For me, 127x stands out from your list as being different than the rest. I would consider him to be more of the growth bull in the bunch. A pair of his sons here were very well accepted by commercial angus breeders. I retained a son of his to use on heifers and then sold him into a herd to lower their bws and he's working well while looking the part and slicking off fast.

After trying a few other bulls, I bought another cane on 127x to use on some 4 frames and a few who are way too close to 3s for me.

The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: July 01, 2020, 04:17:53 PM »
Thanks. If they are more than carriers.....they could be double muscled?

I guess it depends on how you define "double muscled". I've yet to see a shorthorn present as double muscled in the way we tend to think of the Belgian Blue cattle being double muscled. They've taken the presentation to the extreme. You can see some Shorthorn x Limousin calves that look pretty close to it though with huge shoulders, a tight middle, and well defined muscles.

The Big Show / Re: Myostatin gene
« on: June 29, 2020, 03:44:23 PM »
So on Learjet......could he be a carrier on both sides?

If he is out of who his pedigree says he is, they are both carriers. There's also the possibility that they are more than carriers.

The Big Show / Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
« on: June 20, 2020, 07:02:05 PM »
Are there any pictures of POLY D Cumberland 725 floating around out there?  I found this picture of a daughter of hers.

The Big Show / Re: Interview with Tim ohlde
« on: June 18, 2020, 09:29:14 PM »
This bull was out of leader 21 and I believe a cow 2 or 3 generations before JPJ's mother, so I guess it'd be most of the good stuff and none of the cross breeding. Have had a few crossbred AI calves by him over the years that were just ok, but never a heifer. They did grow much better than any of the JPJ stuff I've had.

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