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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by beebe on April 28, 2021, 12:53:21 PM »
That's femininity.  Long necks + long heads = show winners.  Right or wrong, that's the way it is.  I don't think I'd worry too much about that program fibbing on birth weights.

Feminine is not what came to mind when I saw that head.  Ribbons would explain a lot.  Ribbons have led cattle all over the place from good useful cattle 100 years ago to the belt buckle cattle to cattle that the Denver Champion were so big you could only see the top of the hat on six foot four Ric Hoyt as he stood behind him.

As far as cute heads and runts is concerned that could happen but my top end have heads that look like bulls and heifers look like a female.  Again I don't know whose cattle I picked on and I hope they have great success and long life. But I have never seen cattle with heads like that.
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The Big Show / Re: cattle on the hot seat
« Last post by Shorthorns4us on April 28, 2021, 12:18:17 PM »
future scenario:  common meat and production has been regulated to the 9th degree to either get everyone to quit or sell out--- underground meat production-- kind of like Prohibition-- Hamburger speak-easy's,  anyone willing to go against the feds and produce will have tremendous mark up on product-- money to be made, but high maintenance and deception on keeping your operation under wraps... Who will be the Al Capone of illegal ribeyes?  The people that can hide the cattle in the mountains will probably have the best chance of keeping them out of the Fed's hands and can provide us our boot-leg burger.  I don't see where I am going to hide a group of cows in Iowa very easily.

This Great Reset does not appeal to me- It reminds me of when in the 80's cold war my parents sat down with us to watch "The Day After"-- scared the hell out of me and we talked about surviving a nuclear attack with no infastructure, no food, no medicine/doctors available.   Me-- I said why would I want to live in a world like that?  My dad always said-- don't you want to survive?  Me-- why???????

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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by Medium Rare on April 28, 2021, 11:44:41 AM »
I wish I had their sale average.

I expected people to complain about her nose. The calf appears to be a fairly tightly line bred animal.

The Shorthorn Country appears to be nearly begging for high quality pictures that can be used on the cover of the magazine on a regular basis. I wish more commercial breeders would step up to the plate.
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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by knabe on April 28, 2021, 09:39:43 AM »
Its obvious to pick on shorthorns for bw.

The cute head is another deal.

To me, they are like the runts of the litter.

It would be interesting to know from a development perspective why that happens in all animals.
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The Big Show / Re: Head shape calves from 1950s version shorthorn bulls?
« Last post by Dale on April 28, 2021, 09:35:31 AM »
Our Scotch-influenced cattle of the 50's and 60's had short wide heads and calved with difficulty too often.  We won a lot of shows back then, and many of them were born with assistance, but we did not own calf pullers then.  Those winners always had lots of thickness and bone.  And some of them had extra growth, for their time, in the late '60's.

Even though Cat 20 had a short wide head, our AI calves from him were born easily.  Our son, TPS Catalyst 45th, also had no calving difficulty.  Polled cattle calved much more easily, even the bigger ones.  Maybe they had flatter shoulders?  The big cows (30's and 40's) that grandpa owned calved easily as far as I know.

History repeats itself.  Breed away from calving difficulty and then forget the lesson, such as in the early '90's.  Create a problem and then solve it. 
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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by beebe on April 28, 2021, 09:02:03 AM »

I have noticed shorthorns have short horn have noticed that some don't have any at all.    I lean towards Bonsma type cattle.  I don't know where she came from and I don't mean to pick on other peoples cattle, I don't see heads like that.  What do the heads of her male siblings look like?
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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by oakview on April 28, 2021, 08:58:08 AM »
That's femininity.  Long necks + long heads = show winners.  Right or wrong, that's the way it is.  I don't think I'd worry too much about that program fibbing on birth weights. 
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The Big Show / Re: cattle on the hot seat
« Last post by librarian on April 28, 2021, 08:57:05 AM »
The Great Reset is a huge corporate land grab. Whoever controls the food and water controls the population. A rancher can go broke or take the payoff and move to one of the Population Center Designated Territories.
Another set of policy measures that would stimulate more resource-efficient food systems entail directing stimulus packages towards R&D to support the diversification away from diets based on resource- intensive animal proteins, and towards four main categories of alternatives aquatic, plant-based, insect-based and laboratory-cultured. Private capital is pouring into this emerging sector,64 whose market growth offers the potential for 30 million new jobs by 2030.65 Regulatory standards will also need to be set to ensure products reaching the market are safe and healthy, along with a Just Transition from the traditional meat sector (along with reskilling). Corporate bailout packages for the meat sector could accelerate these developments by establishing even higher standards for health and safety, both of the products and employment conditions.
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_NNER_II_The_Future_of_Business_and_Nature_Policy_Companion_2020.pdf
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/covid19-great-reset-new-normal/
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The Big Show / Re: Head shape calves from 1950s version shorthorn bulls?
« Last post by oakview on April 28, 2021, 08:53:42 AM »
I guarantee you those old belt buckle cattle were hard calving.  Since most of them back then were horned, we referred to them as square headed.  Every breed was the same.  The first heifer I purchased with my own money was a daughter of Bapton Crusader.  She sure was deep, small, and easy keeping.  Unfortunately, we found her in the creek attempting to calve.  We drug her out of the creek, got the calf, hauled the heifer up to the barn on the flatbed trailer and she never got up.  I was young, inexperienced, and learned a lot that day, the hard way.  Those belt buckle cattle were the hardest calving I've had in 60 years.  The only ones that came close were the Dreamboats.  I used several fullblood Maines over the years, but was fortunate in that I avoided Crack, etc. 
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The Big Show / Head shape calves from 1950s version shorthorn bulls?
« Last post by librarian on April 28, 2021, 08:23:58 AM »
I bought the 1952 Shorthorn World that knabe shared info on. I finally got to looking at it and it was kind of a disturbing moment looking at the photos. I used to think this type animal was what would work in grass finishing- they are bred for early maturing baby beef which is what most grass finishers end up selling, by necessity. Necessity to not graze until the animal is 3 or 4 years old as would yield more meat with better quality. Now, I favor stretchy masculine bulls like a sensible person.
Anyway, the disturbing part was that I had to recognize that, Felix, my Cat 20 bull is this 1950s type. He has the shape, but not the size of Cat 20 and the short wide head we love to love to look at.
I had a calf born dead the other day, I found it on pasture and there was the yellow slime on it that indicates prolonged birth. The calf was small, maybe 55 lbs, and I thought the sire was my red Galloway bull. How strange, I thought, looking at the round head of the calf, the blunt wide nose, Ive never seen this in the calves from that bull, they always come easily. Then I remembered that Felix had also been out in that pasture as a yearling. Maybe he had bred this heifer when the big bull was distracted.
So...old timers, were calving problems related to this round head and wide nose a common problem with the bulls of this 1952 type vintage. I remember Oakview saying something about short heads and feed buckets back in the day.
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