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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by JPS on May 25, 2021, 03:23:48 PM »
If you will go read "History of Shorthorn cattle" by James Sinclair, you will find that many of the original shorthorns that were registered in the herd book had black noses.  I don't know who created the myth that Shorthorns can't have a black nose.
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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by knabe on May 24, 2021, 12:12:16 PM »
black noses better with regard to sunburn.
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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by oakview on May 24, 2021, 10:07:34 AM »
On the top ten list of selection factors for my herd, a black nose would be about 25th. 
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Upcoming Shows / Re: Jasper County Open Beef Show in Rensselaer, IN
« Last post by rebuzifa on May 24, 2021, 01:02:44 AM »
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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by mark tenenbaum on May 23, 2021, 11:19:04 AM »
Probably the other way around-There is Shorthorn DNA in every Angus animal no matter how diluted and the black gene generally makes an x bred calf black or variations or red And if you HAVE A GOOD ONE ITS A GOOD ONE-commercial people dont give a rats a@$%^*()s about nose color-and neither do I if the burger or steak tastes good  O0
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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by knabe on May 23, 2021, 10:31:33 AM »
what does a black nose imply?


what breed other than shorthorn is it supposed to come from?


chi, angus, other?


or is it a birth mark.


a few new colors in horses have been described lately.


maybe it's no big deal.


shorthorns have short horns.  maybe that's enough of a description?





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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by -XBAR- on May 22, 2021, 06:44:14 PM »
what are shorthorn purists, for lack of a better word, so worried about with black?


cataloging it on a phenotype?  slippery slope of color types? 


they are otherwise shorthorns?


i mean, seriously, they should genotype the whole herd, and get rid of anything with holstein, maine's, who knows what else.


all breeds are like this. all of them.

I dont know of any other breed like this that has no phenotypical standards or defining breed characteristics.   Shorthorn is the only association of any red hided breed I know of that even allows black noses to be registered.   Disqualification in every Shorthorn registry in the word- not the ASA theyll take your money.    I raised a hell of a black nose calf.  Even used him after Oakview saying he had a black nose bull that didnt throw any dark nosed calves.   My experience hasnt been so fortunate.
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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by knabe on May 22, 2021, 04:07:04 PM »
what are shorthorn purists, for lack of a better word, so worried about with black?


cataloging it on a phenotype?  slippery slope of color types? 


they are otherwise shorthorns?


i mean, seriously, they should genotype the whole herd, and get rid of anything with holstein, maine's, who knows what else.


all breeds are like this. all of them.
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The Big Show / Re: The cover of Shorthorn Country
« Last post by justintime on May 21, 2021, 11:24:36 PM »
Glamis Benefactor was imported from Scotland and he not only had a black nose, but he had black pigment all over is body. His hair was mainly red but a lot of his skin was black and some of his hair was as well. There was many black nosed animals in the Scottish cattle. One of the last bulls I remember being imported wss named Drynie Argosy. He was  red and white in color which was  not well accepted in the 1960s and he also had a pitch black nose. Louie Latimer from Remitall Cattle Co,, Olds Alberta said that he thought Argosy was one of the best bulls he had seen in several years despite his color and his black nose. He bought him anyways for the improvement he would bring.
Many of the Irish cattle that came over in the 70s and 80s also produced some black noses.
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