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justintime

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I took a few minutes to snap a few pictures while checking pastures yesterday morning. As usual, I thought I had some great shots but only a few turned out as good as I was thinking they were. These three pics are of donors that have been flushed for the last several months. We had 16 donors in Alberta being flushed, some of them for more than a year. All but two are home now and only two did not settle on their first AI service. The two that missed are now bred, on their second heat... at least I think they are!

The first cow is New Beginnings Elsie's Jade, a cow who has a waiting list for embryos. It is hard for me to believe that she is now 10 years old, and it is 9 years since I saw her at a small British Columbia fair. She was entered in a sale the next day, and I was amazed that no one else seemed to see anything special in her. I went to the sale, wondering what she would bring, and thinking I would probably never afford her. When the bidding started, I bid once and owned her. Possibly one of the better days I have had in this business. She has offspring in 6 countries and we now have two full sisters and three daughters in the herd, all of which will be flushed.

The second cow is B Good Red Sue 1P, a daughter of CF Roan Sue 644 TP X( Roan Sue is also pictured).Roan Sue has been considered a model female for the breed, and Red Sue is really starting to resemble her. She was the top selling female in Cagwin's sale last September. She has developed into a great donor female and has averaged 15 grade 1 embryos per flush. So far, we have implanted 6 embryos from Pheasant Creek Leader 4th, and all 6 are now past 30 days... so I am holding my breath as well as crossing my fingers and toes. I bought this cow with this mating in mind. This is the last mating there will ever be with Leader 4th semen as there is no more left.I think he was the best of the Leader line. He was solid red, homozygous polled , tremendously thick and smooth as an apple. He was moderate framed, structurally sound and would have been an extremely popular bull if he was alive today. he was the last Shorthorn herd bull at Remitall in Alberta, and sold for $7300 in 1970, at the Regina Bull Sale. We also have implanted embryos from Saskvalley Pioneer and Red Sue.

The fourth picture is Winalot Beth Juliette 9K X. I went to a dispersal sale last fall to look for this female, as she had been a pretty good donor female. She was pulled from the sale offering as she had dumped her calf. She was standing in a cull pen, to be shipped to slaughter the next day. I purchased her for market price, and thought I would try to flush her again. She worked very well, with several excellent flushes since last fall. She settled to an AI breeding to Saskvalley Pioneer 126P on her first service. She has been a very popular donor in international markets, with most of her embryos selling to Scotland, Ireland and South America.

I usually carry a camera with me, so I will keep trying to snap a few more, and hopefully will get some calf pictures.
 

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The cows look awesome!  And yes, all look like model cows, but Roan Sue is pretty much perfection! 
I like the stories of how you acquired these cows.  Especially the bottom one.  My sister had a female who never calved as a 2 year old.  She was supposed to be shipped, but every time we processed cattle, she would be the one in the farthest corner of the pasture, and was always too busy running in the other direction like a whitetail deer with her head up.  Needless to say, she never calved as a 3 year old either, and again, was not shipped.  Last week we were sorting pairs to put to pasture, and saw a SMOKIN heifer calf, and we didnt know who her mama was.  It was the end of the day, and this wild spinster cow was standing beside that SMOKIN heifer calf.  I thought, there was no way that was her calf.  Sure enough...it is!  Now what is a person to do??  Ha Ha.  I am hoping her baby heifer wont be as infertle as her.  We will have to wait and see what time tells for her.  It is just good proof that...."some things happen for a reason!!"
 

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Nice set of donor cows.  And I love your stories, too.  Kinda reminds me of 'Antiques Roadshow'. 
 

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Really nice set of cows I can't wait to see calves if your cows look this good (thumbsup)
 

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Awesome looking females, Grant!!   Of course, that's what we've come to expect from you.   Glad to hear everything is going well for you on the flushes.   We've implanted 7 Myrtle Bo embryos the last 5 weeks so I know what you mean about having your toes and fingers crossed.   We implanted 3 from TM Gus and 4 from JM Vortec.   We also have sold some Gus embryos that should be used this week.  

I hope you don't think I'm trying to horn in on your post, but I enjoyed your stories about how you found your donors so I thought I'd include mine about "Myrtle".   We bought her from Kaehlers at one of the Genetics on Line sales in Cedar Rapids, IA a few years ago.   Everyone thought she was TH positive(including Frank) so I didn't really pay much more for her than the going rate on breds at the time.   The week after we bought her the TH test came back negative and the rest as they say is history.   We have her bred (45 days now) to Kenny Bremer's bull K&A Kasanova.   You can bet I'm hoping for a heifer with stacked maternal lines like that.  I've attached a larger picture of her and two of her daughters.  The Vortec is our current show heifer and the Sonny heifer is one of Schrag's show heifers this year.



 

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Recips look good Grant.
Looks like you have had some moisture.
Grass is greener than I usually see at your place.

Bob
 

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New poster enjoy reading big show typically read 2-3 weekly and even the ones related to Good Shorthorns.! noticed on the horseshoe creek embryo listings page that NBE Jade is listed once was wondering if a new embryo mating would be available or is 4 early 2010 transplanting. If so what would be on the top side?  Not the fondest of top side listed now would probably work good 4 show prospects. but already have cow with similar breeding  2 the top side and smile every time she gets breed this spring. :'( lol!  Just not the kind of power im looking 4 in heifers coming in 2 the cow pasture. I guess the 1st question should have been how long is the wait for embryos? I think sometime a post on HC ELSIE'S JADE 3Px & HC EISIE'S JADE 20Px would be fun 2 read and c some pics. also 2 other cows I like are PRESTO & SPARKLE for the same page. PS OAKBAR like MBO. and the embryo flavors u have for this breeding season.   
 

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awesome donors!  a very uniform group...
those are some of the deepest sided cows ive seen!  they look like the easy keeping easy doing kind!  i can see why you have a waiting list...
 

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I snapped a few more pics today... this time an assorted group of cattle. The first is Saskvalley Marianne 36H. This cow is now 13 years old, and is the grandmother of Saskvalley Pioneer 126P. Pioneer's sire, Saskvalley Navajo is out of this cow. Navajo is now at Nick Steinke's in Indiana. Marianne looks like a 4 -5 year old and has a perfect udder yet.

The second picture is a March ET heifer sired by Wolf Willow Major Leroy 1M and out of HC Secret Maid 9N, who has been a good donor for us.

The third picture is another of our herd bulls. This is Star P Matrix 4N . We purchased him at the historic Butterfield dispersal in Alberta in 2007, where he had a great set of calves. We only used him as a clean up bull last year, but the calves we got this spring are excellent.He makes them thick! He got a full pasture of cows this year.

The fourth picture is HC Northern Gold 20N. He is an ET son of Byland Gold Spear and New Beginning's Elsie's Jade. He sold as a calf to a breeder here in Sask., and he was so impressed with his calves that he kept all his daughters. I asked him what he wanted for the bull, and he said he would trade him for three embryos. This worked for me, and he is now  back here being used.

 

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Hey Grant , here's a pic I took today of a full Irish cow I've got.  She's a 10 yr old Ballyart Vantage x Shannon Music cow. She's bred to CF Primo to calve in Sept. I was thinking about flushing her full Irish this fall , wondered what you thought. I've got some Ldr 18th, Duke of Dublin, Dividend, Leggs, & about 12 other ones.
 

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Here's a pic of Roan Sue as a 9 yr old.

Also , the pic in avatar looks good, is that the bull from the sale last year? Can you post a pic of him?
 

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Mike, those are some pretty good Irish sires you have mentioned as possible sires to use in a flush of your Music female.

She is sired by Ballyart Vantage, an Irish sire that came to the N American scene just as the Irish influence era was winding down. I have always thought that he would have more prominence in breed history had he come onto the scene a little earlier. Vantage was sired by Deerpark Leader 4th, who many people felt was the best breeding Irish bull of all time. I never saw an animal by Leader 4th that I did not like. Vantage's dam was sired by a bull named Tourant Sir Ivor, who many people do not know was one of the very first Irish bulls to be imported into the US. He came in the same shipment as Dividend and Improver along with 5 or 6 other bulls and several females, that were imported by Dick Judy, BGR Genetics, Inc, Mankato, KS. Dick took us to a commercial herd not many miles from his place to see Sir Ivor, when we visited there shortly after the cattle arrived from Ireland. He was leased to this commercial producer and I think he ended up being used there most of his life. I know there was some semen collected on Sir Ivor and I have often wondered if there was any of it left or if it got dumped. He was a pretty good bull... very thick, and long bodied with excellent bone... probably heavier boned than many other Irish bulls.

We bought a son of Sir Ivor in Denver in the early 80s, named Sandy Creek Ivor, and I really regret that we never collected semen on him. At the time, we had 4 other full Irish herd bulls as well as 3 or 4 other herd bulls, as we were running about 400 purebred cows and heifers, at the time. We were walking, Highfield Irish Mist, IDS Duke of Dubln, CCS Drover, and IDS Mr Maloney 50M, so Ivor became the 5th full Irish bull. We were also walking Ready Go ( a US Polled Congress Champion), Waukaru Cinnabar ( who we purchased 1/3 interest and possession in for $11,700 in Wauakru's fall sale, and Ellsway Chieftain ( a Columbus son).We had semen on many other sires and we never collected Ivor. After his offspring came into production, we really realized he was a great breeding bull. We purchased him from Paul Janusick from Illinois, and I remember he had collected semen, but none of it was exportable to Canada. Paul has been out of the business for many years so I doubt that this semen still exists. We sold Ivor to Dale Wernicke in Illinois after we had used him for a few years however, shortly after his return to Illinois he cast himself on pasture and died.

I remember the Shannon Music cow very well. She was a female we wanted to purchase in a sale near Kansas City, when the Irish government send a plane load of Irish cattle over and sold them by auction. We had about 10 females picked out and could not buy that many so we had to pick and choose. We had purchased 4 females already when Shannon Music was sold and we were waiting for the dam of Leggs to come so we let her go. After being runner up on Leggs dam we were wishing we had purchased the Music cow... and after Leggs was born, we were really wishing we had bid higher on his dam. She was definitely one of the best full Irish cows I can remember.

For that reason, Leggs would be one of my first choices as a potential flush sire... providing the semen is good quality. If I remember correctly, there was some of his semen that was questionable, and also some that was very high quality. The leader 18th line is one of the most maternal lines, and I would not worry about lining up Leader on Leader bloodlines. Some of the best Irish cattle I remember were intensely line bred. Both Dividend and Duke were top end bulls in their day, but if their daughters were out of poorer milking females, they tended to be the same. I do not look at this as a bad thing though, as too many Shorthorn cows milk too hard, and they are harder to keep in condition.

I stiill have a few straws of Highfield Irish Mist stored at Wayne Temple's in Illinois,... at least I think there should be about 15 straws there yet. It has been there for many years and I have not heard anything about it for a long time. He would also be a good choice if I was doing a flush on your cow. Irish Mist is my all time favorite herd sire. He was an amazing breeding bull and settled over 100 females each year for at least 8 years. He was 14 when he died of a twisted gut on the operating table at the vet college... a very sad day for me.

I have 3 full Irish females left in my herd. I have posted one of them on here before, Waymar J&J Strawberry 96. She was a great flush cow averaging 20 grade 1 embryos, with 29 from a flush to Irish Mist. I still have two daughters from this flush in our herd, and a son, who is a herd sire here. She is now 13 years old yet looks like a 5 year old. After extensive flushing, we were not able to get her in calf again, so we implanted an embryo in her. She is now past 6 weeks pregnant so we are anxiously holding our breath and hoping she will calve next spring and be flushed again. Here is her picture again.... at almost 12 years of age. She still looks the same.

I would be interested in hearing what you decide to use on this donor. Keep us posted.


 

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Grant, I've got 4 straws of Sandy Creek Ivor in the tank. I don't have any Mist semen left. I used my last 2 straws to flush  a Deerpark Leader dtr out of the original Scarlet Ohare cow. I got one hfr out of this flush & 2 eggs left. She's bred for her 2nd calf now.
 

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You are correct Mike, the bull in my avator is HC Timeline 17T ET x. He topped our 08 bull sale at $20,000 when two syndicates got in a bidding war on him. He has continued to develop very well even though he was used extremely hard as a yearling. Right now, we are hoping to take him to Louisville this fall. He has tremendous body mass and a big square hip in him. He is very sound structurally with all his feet heading in the right direction.  I have developed a little theory as to whether a bull is going to be homozygous polled or not, by the shape (or angle) of their eye in their skull. I predicted that Timeline would be homozygous polled and so far he has not proven me wrong as every calf in his first calf crop is polled. He was ultrasounded as a yearling and he had excellent carcass data. As a bonus, he appears to be calving easily as well, as I have only heard of one calf out of a heifer that required a slight assist at birth. I only had two calves this spring, a set of ET calves.. a 92 lb bull and a 90 lb heifer. It is interesting to watch these calves as they have stayed together since birth. Even since they have gone to pasture, they are seldom more than a few feet from each other, and they seem to have a special bond.

Timeline is, without any doubt, the quietest bull i have ever worked with. He was 18 months old when he saw a halter for the first time and he led like the bets show bull from the moment he was haltered for the first time. He is sired by SULL GNCC Salute 532R and his dam is a donor here, Shadybrook Presto 73G. He is pictured here this spring at two years of age (when he weighed over 2200 lb.) at Shady Lane's ( he is also a SP regular).
 

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If you read my previous post you may think I goofed when I was writing it. I had mentioned " Dick" Judy in my post , but for some reason, it appears on SP as " nice job!" Judy. I erased my post once because it appeared this way, rewrote it again, and I made sure it was correct. When it posted it appeared this way again.... strange!!
 

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You mean Richard Judy, right? haha.  I can't wait to see Timeline at the NAILE either, you wanna bring me one of those good Canadian heifers while you're at it?  It's gonna be my last year for Jr. Nationals and I'm startin my search now!

Mike, if you had any Mist semen left, I think I'd use that on your cow, but she's awfully good..she could probably work with most anything!
 
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