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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2013, 02:17:20 PM »
I like the idea of Eye Candy!! Or maybe unproven bull Sugar Rush. You would have the walks alone and the eye candy. As he is out of eye candy's full sister.

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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2013, 03:51:48 PM »
The two things I would try to add to her is some bone and clean up that front 1/3 some.  I think that you have a great start there to help prevent the bottle neck the show industry is creating with only a couple of blood lines with 50,000 sons of those few blood lines being used. You want the next great thing I think it is going to be a bull that is maternal and outcross to the current common blood lines used so these breeders can get some new blood in their heifers. Color is  becoming more popular so I would try a char bull for a smoke or maybe shorthorn, something along sin city lines with a lot of white for a cool blue roan. The other route I would go is maybe purebred maine be able to register as 1/2 blood. Maybe a simmy since you can register 1/2 bloods, but someone with more experience than me would have to give you advice on that. I know some of them can get pretty leathery up front.

Was curious if you think Pericles would be heifer safe on high percent maines.  Just looking for something different to use on first calf heifers.

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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2013, 04:45:13 PM »
Friction or full flush would be interesting too if not interested in HW.  (clapping)
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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2013, 05:08:20 PM »
I like the Friction or Flush choice, always like that type. Both are clean as well if I'm not mistaken.

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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2013, 05:22:33 PM »
The two things I would try to add to her is some bone and clean up that front 1/3 some.

Was curious if you think Pericles would be heifer safe on high percent maines.  Just looking for something different to use on first calf heifers.

Ya she could use some bone, her dam is fine boned for a Galloway.  Her front 1/3 looks worse than it is, she has a pile of hair from the shoulders forward.  Her head and neck are very feminine when clipped.

We use Pericles on Angus and Galloway heifers all the time.  Calves are in the 70-85 lb range, and we don't touch them.  Our 2yr old heifers weigh around 850-900 lbs the show heifers obviously heavier.  He will not throw little 60 lb jackrabbits with no growth.

Bobby Wellner used him on clubby bred heifers.  He had to assist some to get the head out, then no issues.  All were just by hand, no jacking or C-sections.

So yes he will work, but you may have to help them.

The resulting heifers will be great cows.  Pericles' females have been awesome.

Bobby said he is liking his better everyday.
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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #35 on: February 22, 2013, 05:40:49 PM »
We are big fans of Eye Candy here.  Here are links to our facebook pages of our 2012 and 2013 sale calves with several Eye Candy calves in each one.  You don't need to be a facebook user to view these.

We just started using Walks Alone in this year's set of calves and we used Monopoly sparingly because of his price and availability in Canada.  Eye Candy's price in Canada has gone high as well.

2013, http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.450787828291466.88793.100000807591515&type=1&l=74c001e919

2012, http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.310073192362931.62503.100000807591515&type=1&l=d96474445c

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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #36 on: February 22, 2013, 09:52:59 PM »
Smilin Bob or unstoppable  <rock>

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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2013, 05:51:35 PM »
A good Charolais bull might throw the kind of bull/steer you are looking for.

Firewater?

Would be unique!

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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2013, 08:41:01 AM »
I agree on sugar rush .... being a walks alone out of eye candys full sis. He should do everything your saying u need and breed more consitent being a 1/4 galloway himself. Id really like to see what he would do on ur cow. Just my 2 cents!

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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2013, 12:39:55 PM »
 <beer> <beer> yup walks alone!

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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #40 on: February 25, 2013, 01:38:24 PM »
Now that everybody has put in their two cents, and that's all that some of it's worth, look at genetics.  Most people are just regurgitating what bull theyve heard sired a winner here or a high seller there.  Or who looked the best at Denver.  Few of these bulls are proven.  If you want to look at genetics, Naughty Pine on a Galloway or Galloway/Angus could give you another Eye Candy.  Why breed to Eye Candy when you could make another one or when you've already got Galloway in the equation.  The other option again is Heat Wave.  Without Heat Wave, we'd never have any of the rest.  Why use diluted genes when you can go back to the source.  You've obviously taken great care in your program already.  Why on earth would you base your breeding options on hype.
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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #41 on: February 25, 2013, 05:11:32 PM »
Now that everybody has put in their two cents, and that's all that some of it's worth, look at genetics.  Most people are just regurgitating what bull theyve heard sired a winner here or a high seller there.  Or who looked the best at Denver.  Few of these bulls are proven.  If you want to look at genetics, Naughty Pine on a Galloway or Galloway/Angus could give you another Eye Candy.  Why breed to Eye Candy when you could make another one or when you've already got Galloway in the equation.  The other option again is Heat Wave.  Without Heat Wave, we'd never have any of the rest.  Why use diluted genes when you can go back to the source You've obviously taken great care in your program already.  Why on earth would you base your breeding options on hype.

Your understanding of the big picture, Mr Riley is not only astute but correct!  Ladies and Gents, herein lies the thought process a man that knows what he's doing.  <beer>

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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #42 on: February 25, 2013, 08:20:03 PM »
Now that everybody has put in their two cents, and that's all that some of it's worth, look at genetics.  Most people are just regurgitating what bull theyve heard sired a winner here or a high seller there.  Or who looked the best at Denver.  Few of these bulls are proven.  If you want to look at genetics, Naughty Pine on a Galloway or Galloway/Angus could give you another Eye Candy. Why breed to Eye Candy when you could make another one or when you've already got Galloway in the equation.  The other option again is Heat Wave.  Without Heat Wave, we'd never have any of the rest. Why use diluted genes when you can go back to the source You've obviously taken great care in your program already.  Why on earth would you base your breeding options on hype.

Your understanding of the big picture, Mr Riley is not only astute but correct!  Ladies and Gents, herein lies the thought process a man that knows what he's doing.  <beer>

I like this idea a lot, and maybe I'm just being pessimistic when I think that trying to replicate would never work for me. I've seen too many full sibs that had too much difference to think that I could try and create a competitive yet similar alternate "eye candy". It's probably just the family curse of having a bunch of "almost good cattle"...

good luck though, I'm rooting for it. after all, most of this is luck.
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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #43 on: February 25, 2013, 08:20:27 PM »
Now that everybody has put in their two cents, and that's all that some of it's worth, look at genetics.  Most people are just regurgitating what bull theyve heard sired a winner here or a high seller there.  Or who looked the best at Denver.  Few of these bulls are proven.  If you want to look at genetics, Naughty Pine on a Galloway or Galloway/Angus could give you another Eye Candy.  Why breed to Eye Candy when you could make another one or when you've already got Galloway in the equation.  The other option again is Heat Wave.  Without Heat Wave, we'd never have any of the rest.  Why use diluted genes when you can go back to the source You've obviously taken great care in your program already.  Why on earth would you base your breeding options on hype.

Your understanding of the big picture, Mr Riley is not only astute but correct!  Ladies and Gents, herein lies the thought process a man that knows what he's doing.  <beer>

Heatwave might not be a bad choice. But I think there are sons that are much more consistent in the pattern they produce. I would also say that you are not diluting anything when you instead ad better more consistent genes through the outstanding dams of a few of these Heatwave sons. But I am not saying its a bad idea.

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Re: Almost afraid to ask... breeding suggestions.
« Reply #44 on: February 25, 2013, 09:15:23 PM »
Are any of those dams not outcrosses to the heatweave line? If they're not, I don't see how they could be any more consistent in producing the heatwave look, than heatwave or even a double bred heatwave would.

 

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