An interesting Shorthorn bull in Ireland

Here is an interesting Shorthorn bull I saw on FB. He is  Uppermill Beggar and is 10 years old in this picture.He is in Ireland and is herd sire for Ricketstown Shorthorns, Carlow, Ireland. He weighs over 3400 lbs which is probably too big for what most breeders in North America are trying to produce, you I think he still has some very interesting qualities

That's a big bull.

Pretty impressive bull! Does he have any of the Irish genetics that we are used to seeing or is he an outcross? He doesn't look that big frame wise , just long , deep & broad across the top. Sure don't have to worry about his cods.

I thought the Uppermill cattle were in England first,got mixed with Maine to get em bigger-then the herd or a bunch of them went to Ireland-I havent been there since 1992-and I dont think those cattle were over there yet-at least that I was made aware of. O0

mark tenenbaum said:

I thought the Uppermill cattle were in England first,got mixed with Maine to get em bigger-then the herd or a bunch of them went to Ireland-I havent been there since 1992-and I dont think those cattle were over there yet-at least that I was made aware of. O0

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By the looks of him that makes sense to me. He looks like he has some fullblood Maine in him. He is a very attractive looking bull but my goodness, would you want 3400 lbs jumping your heifers that don't catch AI? I like that he doesn't seem too tall and is long bodied  but the head seems long giving me a certain impression of being too large. Overall, a nice bull that will serve a specific purpose for the right program.

This bull was used in the Glenariff in England and is now in Ireland in the Ricketstown herd. The Uppermill herd is the oldest breeding herd of any breed in the world, but it was sold in entirity a few years ago to a breeder in Ireland. The Uppermill herd name continues on today with a new owner and a new country ( Ireland). I have been trying to pull his pedigree up on the UK registry, but for some reason I haven't been able to get it on my computer tonight.

I think I could guess at some of his pedigree but am not going to do that until I find out his pedigree for sure. As far as using a bull this big on a cow herd, I suspect there are no major issues. I expect he is not used on heifers. I had a Rodeo Drive son ( HC Merger 93M) who was well over 3000 lbs and he bred the cows easily and we never assisted a calf born from him. I still have some daughters in our herd by Merger, He developed degeneration of his testicles so I had to sell him, and he weighed 3170 lb at the sale barn after an overnight stand, so he would have weighed over 3300 lb if you add just 5% for shrink.

Uppermill Beggar has tremendous length, and an excellent rear quarter. He appears to be very sound on his feet and legs and appears to be veryu smooth made for a 10 year old sire of this size. I suspect several hundred pounds of his weight comes from his extreme length. I was always told that you added about 70 lbs to a 1200 lb steer if you added 1 inch to his middle. It would be much more than that on a bull this size

JK, thats a big son of a gun.

very impressive I think he could do some good

justintime said:

Here is an interesting Shorthorn bull I saw on FB. He is  Uppermill Beggar and is 10 years old in this picture.He is in Ireland and is herd sire for Ricketstown Shorthorns, Carlow, Ireland. He weighs over 3400 lbs which is probably too big for what most breeders in North America are trying to produce, you I think he still has some very interesting qualities

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It appears that just recently the British Shorthorn Society has made it so only members with passwords can go on their herdbook pedigree  and EPD search. I know the issue of security and privacy came up about access to CLRC's database at one time and it was felt the cons versus the pros of making it member only far out weighed the advantages. I think it's a bit short sighted on the British Society's behalf because those potential new breeders or commercial bull buyers might just end up on another breeds database when they can't do a search ???

Hell of a bull.  Bigger the better for me...as long as they're not over bout 60" at mature. 

Wow that is a beast.

Can a bull with this much length cover his tracks?.

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Can a bull with this much length cover his tracks?.

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I would think he would as he is balanced and proportionate.  I would have no idea how big he is in real life if it hadn't been mentioned in the original post.   I did some quick research and he related to Muridale Buster 14K and the Eionmor Ideal 61M bull we had both of these bulls were also long and did track up when traveling. Beggar is by an Eionmor Ideal bull. I think Beggar is a fantastic looking bull.

It is interesting to me that Beggar is 75% Canadian bred and there is no Maine in his immediate pedigree. If there is Maine blood in him, it is back at least 4-5 generations. Everytime I look at the picture of Beggar, I'm impressed with how straight he is in his lines and how square he appears to be on his feet and legs. He has an excellent shoulder and angle of his shoulder for a bull of this size. I would expect from looking him, that his calves are born relatively easily but they would have some birth weight from their extra body length. I would like to see a little more masculinity in his head, but I also think his head also suggests more calving ease than some bulls because of the longer, narrower shape. He is not perfect in all regards, but he certainly has some good qualities.

Looks like just what the Shorthorn breed needs. Another 120# birth weight bull that sires 2500# Shorthorn cows.......I'm in.

let the nay sayers chime in    again and again and again....

I wonder what the biggest mature cow ever recorded in the shorthorn breed? .......maybe 2,700#'s?

aj said:

I wonder what the biggest mature cow ever recorded in the shorthorn breed? .......maybe 2,700#'s?

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Since you are more a Maine / Red Angus herd you woud think you would be asking about those breeds. I'll bet the biggest Maine female will beat the biggest Shorthorn.

If you guys get him bought I want in......! Don't know haow you would ship him though. Maybe put him on an oil ship.....put him on one end and then put Ayatollah on the other end.......so tthe ship wouldn't capsize. I know the USA military doesn't have any plane big enough to transport him. ...................Oh lord forgive me. (clapping)

And if the dna deal works.........and wooly Mammoth's ARE cloned.....we could have a Shorthorn-Wooley mammoth composite with 4,000 pound cows! Then.......when the next ice age rolls around.........we will be sitting there waiting.........to fill a niche in the worlds beef industry! Brilliant JIT!