Breeding decisions finished (please comment)

Carlson Cattle · Mar 13, 2013

Heatwave X Tottaly tuned cow. That needs style and power- Amen
Heatwave 2nd Calver- 2 tone
Hairy Bear cow that needs frame- One and Only
Bojo 2nd calver- One and Only
Hannibull Cow-Flushing to- Walks Alone
Irish Wiskey X Meyer heifer- Jessie James

LLBUX · Mar 13, 2013

Personally, I feel you are using too much of a 'shotgun' approach, hoping something is gonna nick in one of these matings.
It may happen, but I feel disadvantages outweigh advantages of mating to several different bulls as you have planned.

1.May well limit future mating options.
2.Buying so many bulls can cause storage problems or purchase issues. (Some folks will only sell 5 units or more)
3.Shipping costs of semen
4.Selling/maintaining such a variety of calves can cause record keeping issues
5.May be difficult to market from some of these bulls.

Personally, I would breed them all to I-80 or Smilin' Bob
The I 80 should allow you to register calves as Maintainers. Some cows may have enough Chi in them to dual register.
Sires have enough name recognition to encourage buyers to take a closer/second look.
Semen is readily available and inexpensive.
They are not closely related to anything you have(If I remember correctly)

Good luck-

CANsteer · Mar 13, 2013

two tone is a TH carrier, i wouldn't breed a HW cow to him unless i had the cow tested or knew she was free. but like you said in another post, the whole thing is about rolling the dice.

Carlson Cattle · Mar 13, 2013

it is.

Barry Farms · Mar 13, 2013

I agree about not breeding your heatwave to a carrier. While it may be about rolling the dice, having a dead calf isnt worth the 'fun' of rolling the dice even thoug I like 2 tone. I have had to drag 6 dead calves out of the pasture this year to our other farms because of first some calf heifers not being able to handle large bull calves, the rain, the snow, still born calves, and more snow. Also why are you flushing your hannibal, Wont that put her a month behind the others in calving? Personally I would breed the older carrier cows to One and Only or Amen because I know you like Amen and your first and second calvers to Jesse James keeping your cow herd at a greater chance of having clean calves. Even though dirty cattle are better muscled if you work to breed good cattle they can compete.

sizzler14 · Mar 13, 2013

I have seen your Hannibal cow, and flushing isnt cheap, and not every cow is a donor! Please remember that!!!!!!

Warrior10 · Mar 13, 2013

DiamondCattleCo said:
I have seen your Hannibal cow, and flushing isnt cheap, and not every cow is a donor! Please remember that!!!!!!

X2

sizzler14 · Mar 13, 2013

i am going to give you some of the best advice i feel you will get. if you are interested in the embryo deal. depending on how mnay eggs your cows flushes etc, flushing will run you around $2000.00 with the shots setting recips up etc. I would take the $2000 you would spend and go out and buy 5 eggs off of somebody else. Buy them out of a proven cow! I was at a sale last month where Dr.Mimms eggs were going for $350/egg. I bought eggs out of Monopoly x Steel Whiskey (Steel Force x irish whiskey's dam) eggs for $400/egg. go buy 5 eggs at $400/egg out of time tested proven donor and put them in and then breed your hannibal cow to walks alone. if the calf is better next year then the eggs you put in this year our of a proven donor, then you know she is flush worthy! in the mean time a calf from a proven donor at 5 eggs you should get 2 guarenteed and you might have "the one" in there from a proven cow! also your heat wave cow, depending on if she is black or red would depend on who i breed her too. i wouldnt do two tone because of the th. Try Grizzley Bear (great first cal crop), Tiger Woods, Red Dirt (best prospect i have seen all year is a red dirt), orDakota gold. Still get that monopoly or heat wave genetic in there with color and a clean package. JMO. take it for what its worth. but with only a few calves, you cant afford to lose one to TH

Carlson Cattle · Mar 13, 2013

so i should go to a clean bull like amen or one and only for my heatwave. And so your saying my hanniball cow sucks............ and then when you buy an egg u have to have it shipped and that cost $ also

crown33 · Mar 13, 2013

You've said before that you spend around 3 grand breeding your cows. It's gonna cost money to ship the semen you want on those cows. So what's the difference in shipping embryos, it depends on how far you ship them shouldn't be over $200

mark tenenbaum · Mar 13, 2013

Barry Farms said:
I agree about not breeding your heatwave to a carrier. While it may be about rolling the dice, having a dead calf isnt worth the 'fun' of rolling the dice even thoug I like 2 tone. I have had to drag 6 dead calves out of the pasture this year to our other farms because of first some calf heifers not being able to handle large bull calves, the rain, the snow, still born calves, and more snow. Also why are you flushing your hannibal, Wont that put her a month behind the others in calving? Personally I would breed the older carrier cows to One and Only or Amen because I know you like Amen and your first and second calvers to Jesse James keeping your cow herd at a greater chance of having clean calves. Even though dirty cattle are better muscled if you work to breed good cattle they can compete. //// AMEN-not the bull YOURE statement-and the one in your avatar aint no slouch either-I agree with alot of the advice above and below here-especially on the Heatwave-just off the tiop-there are a couple freaky looking red clean ones along with the rest 1: Mercy Me-a smilin Bob out of HEAT WAVES DAM-(something like that) and hes real cool looking 2: Red Bull of Lautners-full sib to several big time carrier bulls,one being Leroy Brown-and there are loads of others now-just thinking of closeup breeding. Even then,for structural wreck posibilities,Id breed the Heatwave to some of the suggesteds like i-80:some of the Amens have been pretty huge,youre call on that O0

Carlson Cattle · Mar 13, 2013

i go and get my semen i dont have it shipped. and im still gonna go amen no matter how big the calf is she can handle anything

kidsandkows · Mar 13, 2013

I take a very similar approach in my AI too! I breed to a variety of bulls. I have about 20-25 cows that I breed and I breed to about 8 to 10 different bulls. I just analyze the cow, determine what I think she lacks, do some research on what bulls might improve those things and go at it that way. So I have no problem with breeding to several different bulls as you are. I think what you have chosen looks good. The only thing that I might be a little hesitant about is breeding a 2nd calver to Two Tone. I thought I had heard he had some big ones and the cow you are breeding him to is a Heatwave so that might not go so good? But it is a roll of the Dice, I just think I would wait one more year.

Warrior10 · Mar 13, 2013

Carlson Cattle said:
so i should go to a clean bull like amen or one and only for my heatwave. And so your saying my hanniball cow sucks............ and then when you buy an egg u have to have it shipped and that cost $ also

We didn't say/mean that. It takes a very special cow to be donor material, going off a picture DiamondCattleCo stated they weren't sure your cow was that. She can be a good cow and solid producers without being donor material. Also I don't fault you for using a variety of bulls, I do the same....I like your idea of that!

crown33 · Mar 13, 2013

How far are you going to have to drive to get some Amen semen?

Carlson Cattle · Mar 13, 2013

kidsandkows said:
I take a very similar approach in my AI too! I breed to a variety of bulls. I have about 20-25 cows that I breed and I breed to about 8 to 10 different bulls. I just analyze the cow, determine what I think she lacks, do some research on what bulls might improve those things and go at it that way. So I have no problem with breeding to several different bulls as you are. I think what you have chosen looks good. The only thing that I might be a little hesitant about is breeding a 2nd calver to Two Tone. I thought I had heard he had some big ones and the cow you are breeding him to is a Heatwave so that might not go so good? But it is a roll of the Dice, I just think I would wait one more year.

Thank you

Carlson Cattle · Mar 13, 2013

and i only have to drive about an hour

sizzler14 · Mar 13, 2013

Carlson Cattle said:
so i should go to a clean bull like amen or one and only for my heatwave. And so your saying my hanniball cow sucks............ and then when you buy an egg u have to have it shipped and that cost $ also

didnt say your hannibal cow sucks, but I dont believe she is flush quality. I think she is just a good brood cow. Your talking $100 for shipping. so your would have the same amount of money in the calves and eggs are out of a proven better cow. But hey some people cant be helped, so do what you think is best. I know you will ask another 100 times, but I tried to help you

Bradenh · Mar 13, 2013

I know I should hold my tounge and take the *if you don't like it, don't read it* method

But of all the suggestions you have I have a quick question. If your so dead set on these matings why did you ask in the first place? When all your going to do is defend yourself instead of taking advice

CRS · Mar 13, 2013

AMEN!

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