Breeding Suggestions for this Sim/Angus cow?

I have a sim/angus female who will be having her 3rd calf in a few days! This June/July I'm going to AI her to a clubby bull. I haven't decided which bull I'm going to use yet. I was thinking Walks Alone?? Her first calf as a heifer died because the calf was too big and we couldn't get him out in time. The second calf had to be pulled because one back leg was sticking out. But the calf is doing fine and has a lot of depth for a heifer. So I'm hoping #3 won't be a pull, otherwise I might not get to AI her. In my opinion she is a larger framed cow with bone and thickness but lacks the depth and flank. Let me know what you think!

a cow with history of calving difficulty and large birth weights needs to avoid being mated to composite club calf bulls--- particularly those with Heatwave influence close up or in more than one shot. 

Honestly I would breed her to Mossy Oak! We had a Mossy Oak that won the Tennessee Beef Agribition a few years back and I know of a Mossy Oak X Sim/Angus cow who tore it up out west several years back!

A.I her to Who Made Who 2, the clone. Who made who made a living off of simmi/angus cows. Number one he is a th/pha clean. number two he is a really easy calver, three he will give you a powerhouse with the right frame. Sometimes you have to kick it old school and WMW will never be out of style. Hes the legend.

Thanks Sizzler! I will look into him! Just looking for a bull that will match this cow the best!

If I bred her to the Who Made Who Clone, do you think the calf would be good and sellable? That is probably my primary goal is to sell the calf and if she has a good heifer maybe keep the heifer for a replacement.

ShowSteerGirl101 said:

If I bred her to the Who Made Who Clone, do you think the calf would be good and sellable? That is probably my primary goal is to sell the calf and if she has a good heifer maybe keep the heifer for a replacement.

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Who Made Who or clone is more known for his heifers. If it turns out that you get a heifer, keep her as she will probably turn into a good cow. His steers or bulls are ok, they will do ok in most county fairs. He just don't usually put as much muscle on them as bulls such as Heat Wave and Monopoly or their sons. But with your cow having some calving issues, I would hold off on those type clubby bulls until she proves that she can calve without an issue or you could be in for a disaster. There are other easy calving clubby bulls that I think she would be fine with, I-80, Rocky Balboa, Ali or Ali2 and I'm sure there are a few others. Who made who would probably work for calving ease for that cow having a couple calves already but I don't use him on heifers.

When i first read this i thought of WHO MADE WHO, glad to hear others think the same.

Ok thanks! I definitely don't want any more calving trouble. I will look into maybe using the who made who clone or I-80. There's not much about the clone but it seems like a lot like I-80. And it seems like the calves are selling as well. Will look into him more.

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Big M Show Cattle said:

ShowSteerGirl101 said:

If I bred her to the Who Made Who Clone, do you think the calf would be good and sellable? That is probably my primary goal is to sell the calf and if she has a good heifer maybe keep the heifer for a replacement.

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Who Made Who or clone is more known for his heifers. If it turns out that you get a heifer, keep her as she will probably turn into a good cow. His steers or bulls are ok, they will do ok in most county fairs. He just don't usually put as much muscle on them as bulls such as Heat Wave and Monopoly or their sons. But with your cow having some calving issues, I would hold off on those type clubby bulls until she proves that she can calve without an issue or you could be in for a disaster. There are other easy calving clubby bulls that I think she would be fine with, I-80, Rocky Balboa, Ali or Ali2 and I'm sure there are a few others. Who made who would probably work for calving ease for that cow having a couple calves already but I don't use him on heifers.

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You must have not been in the game very long if you think WMW is known for his heifers... It just happens that he's the only one that can produce a heifer-- and her be valuable.  in his prime time-- he was no different than heatwave=-= steers, steers, steers... then all of a sudden, he made some killer heifer somewhere (likely hte wagonhammer harrietta cow), and wam bam--- he started getting bred to maternal cows for heifers-- that's the only difference. 

I suspect that when the HW semen starts getting rare-- we'll all be seeing where he's siring all these great daughters as well-- give it 5 or 8 years...

feed grass said:

Big M Show Cattle said:

ShowSteerGirl101 said:

If I bred her to the Who Made Who Clone, do you think the calf would be good and sellable? That is probably my primary goal is to sell the calf and if she has a good heifer maybe keep the heifer for a replacement.

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Who Made Who or clone is more known for his heifers. If it turns out that you get a heifer, keep her as she will probably turn into a good cow. His steers or bulls are ok, they will do ok in most county fairs. He just don't usually put as much muscle on them as bulls such as Heat Wave and Monopoly or their sons. But with your cow having some calving issues, I would hold off on those type clubby bulls until she proves that she can calve without an issue or you could be in for a disaster. There are other easy calving clubby bulls that I think she would be fine with, I-80, Rocky Balboa, Ali or Ali2 and I'm sure there are a few others. Who made who would probably work for calving ease for that cow having a couple calves already but I don't use him on heifers.

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You must have not been in the game very long if you think WMW is known for his heifers... It just happens that he's the only one that can produce a heifer-- and her be valuable.  in his prime time-- he was no different than heatwave=-= steers, steers, steers... then all of a sudden, he made some killer heifer somewhere (likely hte wagonhammer harrietta cow), and wam bam--- he started getting bred to maternal cows for heifers-- that's the only difference. 

I suspect that when the HW semen starts getting rare-- we'll all be seeing where he's siring all these great daughters as well-- give it 5 or 8 years...

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Actually been in it a short time (10 years) compared to my wife (20), but I still know who is winning and who is not. Tell me the last time a Who Made Who steer has won a big show, not a little county show? Times have changed and so has what they are looking for in the cattle. I can show you 3 or 4 winners in major shows that are out of Heat Wave or Monopoly or their son for every major show Who Made Who steer has won and probably more than that. Yes Who Made Who did well back in the day when they liked taller steers, same time when bulls such as Full Throttle, Heart Beat, Draft Pick, Habanero and taller high percentage Maine bulls were winning, but times have changed. His heifers are worth more money than his steers, that's the bottom line. He just is not winning the steer shows anymore, he puts too much size into the calves which is why he makes better heifers than steers. And I did not say that he was the best female producer, F1 females that are Simangus are better producers all day long. Yes it says that he is the sire of the most STATE FAIR winners in history and that was back in the day before times have changed, those that don't changed get left behind. Just look at his sales percentage on cattle.com it speaks for it's self Heifers +22.9% over average, bulls +1.1% over average and steers -13.9% under average. When Heat Wave semen gets rare? How many clones does he have and that don't count his sons, Who Made Who semen is not rare you can find him and his clone at almost any semen distributor and he will be rare way before HW. As the HW clones start to die off, more clones will be born as long as his semen sells, they will produce more clones.

is a clone of a clone or a clone... even the same?  can it even be done?

I suspect, as you said- the industry will move on shortly. 

Thanks for the advice. If I breed her to the Who Made Who clone, do you think the calf would be sellable? Or would I be wasting my time? Some suggest Monoply Money or a Monopoly clone??? Or would she likely have trouble having a calf from them?

any calf is sellable-- if you have 2 things... a live calf-- and a buyer...

more than likely-- I'm not going to lie-- that cow will struggle to dam a calf that is 'sellable' to a majority of people looking to win a competitive steer show. 

just go with your instinct, and breed her to something. 

feed grass said:

any calf is sellable-- if you have 2 things... a live calf-- and a buyer...

more than likely-- I'm not going to lie-- that cow will struggle to dam a calf that is 'sellable' to a majority of people looking to win a competitive steer show. 

just go with your instinct, and breed her to something. 

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dont knock em til u try them. they say heatseekers mother was an ugly, boney, common shorthorn looking cow that most people would not even turn out for any1 to see. so, u never know.

If it were me I would use defiant. He is a half simi bull out of grizzly bw: 84, that should help in calving. He is owned by lautner farms, and felt farms. All the calves that I have seen out of him are hairy, clean fronted, deep, and have a good or decent flank.

Thanks! Still looking into using WMW 2 and maybe Doctor Who??

ShowSteerGirl101 said:

Thanks for the advice. If I breed her to the Who Made Who clone, do you think the calf would be sellable? Or would I be wasting my time? Some suggest Monoply Money or a Monopoly clone??? Or would she likely have trouble having a calf from them?

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By looking at the size of that cow, I would use Monopoly. He will reduce overrall frame size and should give you a very marketable calf. If you are shooting for heifers, WMW is pretty good as long as the cow has never had any calves with structure issues. I have had more structure issues with Who than other clubbier bred bulls. I am not a fan of Dr. Who but that was my experience on sim angus cow. He did not provide me the muscle and bone that i was looking for. The calf most likely took the recips attitude cuz he was loony. I think if you even have an inkling of selling use what is selling. If you are looking to build a set of maternal replacements that's a whole nother conversation.