Thanks, the top calf is a TR Epic x No equal pb red so im hoping he doesnt have scurs;-) i know what you mean though je has that kind of a head but no he is polled. Thw second is a berry cherry out of a srr charger daughter and in the group shot there is another tr epic and a few beckton warriors and another berry cherry. Thanks for the comments and ues they have only had pasture and winter grazing with 1.5 lbs a day of a liquid supplement.