Charolais Flush Options

Hi guys, I am wondering if anyone has any ideas of what to flush this cow to? Preferably purebred, but crossbred is also an option in the future. She is a Gridmaker daughter and was a donor for M6 Ranch. Do you think LT Rio Bravo could be a good mating? Thanks!
-First picture as a first calf heifer
-Second picture as a mature cow

Well if she doesn't have any Firewater blood in her I would use him with all the progeny he has produced and are winning.

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Firewater x gridmaker

Wow that looks like a real nice cow. Is she #220? We have thought about firewater, and also turton once semen is available again. How well did this cow show?

That's her she's 220- can I ask how you knew that!? Haha

She just weaned her first calf- a wrangler that is a show barn in Houston as a cow she did a hell of a job. As a show heifer she was first or last literally depended on the judge she was so stout and powerful it was an eyeful at times. We stood last in ft worth for "too much cow" and won the class/reserve division in San Antonio for "too much cow to get around". She was a hit or miss but as a cow---- damn she's good lookin that one picture is actually with a 75 day old calf on her

I also have an m6 donor this is Mamie 0383 and we are flushing her to firewater as we speak

Haha I went and looked her up on the association website! Looks like she stems back to a real good donor cow from Grau Charolais. That doesn't surprise me some people think that a cow like her is too masculine, but the way that I look at it that if you breed them to the right bull they will throw a calf like it sounds like she did out of Wrangler! That Mamie cow is also a heck of a good cow, it looks like you have a great operation.
I also have a cow from Sublette Cattle Co. that I bought out of their dispersal. She is a Duke 914xHBR Lady GI 207. We are currently doing in-vitro to Cigar with her and the cow from my original post. Have you bred #220 back yet or are you holding her open to flush?

Yeah some call it masculine some call it a steer maker that cow will make you look twice when you look at her she's a stout rip! I have a lady gi cow also not sure if she is kin to yours but she also came from m6 when we got the 0383 cow. I like those cigar cows I'm a sucker for a stout one being from texas. To answer your question about 220 she's being bred now to our beefmaster bull that we sell almost all the calves out of as show steers, we call him mudcat and the purpose of that breeding is to shoot for a heifer calf we can go win the beefmaster advancer jr nationals with. Would be extra sweet owning the mom and the dad. Once she's safe in calf we are going in on the invitro flush deal with the creature for clubby steers and then leddy 20x for purebred calves.

Not sure I've ever been more exciting about a mating than I am about 20x and the 220 female

She will definitely make some good steers for you! We also like the cigar cows he is in the bloodlines of so many of the great ones. Oh man that would be a cool deal to go and win that, especially where it would be a home-bred female. I haven't seen the 20x bull but I have heard some good things about him. What would you describe him as in terms of frame size, structure, and power?

I went and saw 20x right before dan hauled him to the salebarn from old age. 20x is a clubby son of a gun he yanks those cows apart from the shoulder to nose he will throw sweet lines. Dan says needs to be bred to a cow like 220 that's packing the mass and ass and 20x will style them up, he's a moderate bull that works really well on the clubby type females and has thrown lots of good steers but didn't get used much in the purebred game because females that truly carried the mass he needed are hard to come by but those calves are cocky and cool out of this world. And that cow needs to be toned way way down she's overkill and he should do that.

Get a lot of crazy looks for breeding her to that beefmaster bull we promote him as an American clubby sire and figured it's worth a shot he won't hurt her throwing a big calf- safe bet with some upside potentially

That's good to know. He might be good on our cow as she is packing plenty also. It sounds like you are going to be getting some mighty cool calves out of the 220 cow in the future I look forward to hearing about them. I hope that beefmaster bull works out for you, where you are going to be getting embryos out of her to put into other cows it doesn't really matter what she is bred to as long as is has the potential to be a nice calf.

How about using JDJ Maximo on some those impressive M6 females.  Plenty of performance  and an outcross.  The semen is tied up but is being sold art auction.  Also the debruycker program is noted for strong cow families.
Also if you like Cigar type breeding what about WC Benelli?
I also think Monezuma would work well and he wil add more hair than most bloodlines.
Just thinking using something besides Firewater no matter how good he is is a good idea.

She has a Ledger heifer on her right now, haven't seen her for a while she is at another breeders house, but she was looking pretty good the last time I saw her. Maximo could be a good combination with Ledger and also Debruycker genetics. I have seen a video of Benelli and he seemed like a pretty nice bull. I do think that breeding to something other than Firewater is a good thought. Many good animals have been the products of breeding to something other than what is most popular. Also, Maximo and Benelli would throw some good beef bulls to sell to commercial cattleman, while I would be skeptical about selling a Firewater bull to go out on the range.

You should be skeptical,, Firewater is not a real world bull.  Whether that's a concern of yours I don't know but there are so many better options IMO. 

M6 Cool Rep 8108 is one to look at.  There's a son of his selling as lot 3 in the upcoming M6 sale that I imagine'll be the highlight of the day.  Sharp bull for sure. 

Talking about the Duke 914 bull, I bought one of the last bulls Jack Moore sold - a double bred 914 out of a Trademark 344 son.  Best bull I've ever owned by a mile

Lifeline has made some dandys on char cows

MONOPOLY works well on PB CHAROLAIS cow's , proven winner and money maker ...

XBAR- I am worried about what Firewater throws with the back feet, seen many that do not stand up straight enough and could be a problem. The show world loves him, which is the only reason that I would consider breeding to him is that when he does throw a correct calf they are very marketable, but I do agree with you that he is a very risky bull, probably won't breed to him but might try Turton if he collects again.
I have been trying to talk my dad into breeding to Cool Rep for quite some time I have been really impressed with his calves and I liked him when I saw him at their sale a few years ago. I think I am finally getting him to like the bull a bit.
Romax I haven't heard much of the Lifeline bull but thanks for your comment I will look into him.
Freddy I agree Monopoly is one of the great bulls on Char cows of all time, if we go the crossbred route he will most likely be the first option.

The cool reps are straight shouldered a lot of the time. I don't know where the ideas are formed that firewater isn't a real world bull, just because they show well and look good doesn't mean they are bad cattle.  that is one of the best milking and best doing females we have dealt with and I've yet to see a firewater with a bad bag that can't function in the real world. Yes he will throw less than stellar calves sometimes  but every bull will when they are bred to the sheer amount of females he is bred to. I liked the cool rep idea until I got to following the calves. Never heard anyone worried about a calf not being straight enough? But I can tell you that a difference in cool rep and firewater is that cool rep will make them straighter more often than not.

Lifeline worked a while back but she better drag the ground with belly- the females would be valuable

That 914 stuff is great for sure there is no debating those bloodlines at all !

Cool rep female we sold and showed, she won her class at the Houston open show this last spring

Out of my lady gi cow