Damn Proud in Louisville On display

We do not raise any shorthorns, so I wouldn't I guess. But theres a lot to appreciate about him for sure. I can say that I would love to see more clubby bulls look like him at that age and maturity. He seemed to have good structure and all the right pieces, but did not see him move. He was the right size for me, I appreciate when bulls grow a little bit. I don't know about his pedigree, being that I raise clubbys, so I guess I can't comment on that. Its usually the first thing I look at in a bull, second to foot design. But I loved the big hoof in him. I only passed by him a time or two and didn't stay long and study him super hard. So, from a "passing by" perspective thats my opinion. If I had to use a shorthorn bull he would be one I would remember to consider.

So no one has any concerns about his leg set?? Ideal set from hock to hoof is a 45.  This bulls rear set is nearly straight up and down.

-XBAR- said:

So no one has any concerns about his leg set?? Ideal set from hock to hoof is a 45.  This bulls rear set is nearly straight up and down.

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I'd say its how he is standing it that pic. Like I said I saw him at there sale and he was near perfect on his feet and legs

Ohio1 said:

-XBAR- said:

So no one has any concerns about his leg set?? Ideal set from hock to hoof is a 45.  This bulls rear set is nearly straight up and down.

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I'd say its how he is standing it that pic. Like I said I saw him at there sale and he was near perfect on his feet and legs

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Agreed.  He was not straight like the picture.

Would you say he had more or less set than his sire?

We got home late last night from Louisville after watching the Shorthorn bull show and the heifer calves.  Damn Proud looked very good both in the stalls and in the show ring.  He appeared to have enough flex and didn't seem to straight to me.  Several breeders expressed to me that he was the best Proud Jazz they had seen.  In fact, one noted breeder that shall remain anonymous, said he certainly is not a Proud Jazz fan, but that bull was pretty good.  He was second in class to Sullivan's spotted bull.  For my purposes, he's a good bull, but I want to part of the TH deal.

I thought he looked awesome and could have been a national champion. Walked around the ring like a cat!! IMPRESSIVE

With all these good comments it makes me hope there's a lot more calves coming! Anyone know if he will be in Denver?

Good bull . Liked him a lot ,if u could change him it was movement, tad to short like most jazz and round shoulders.  He is way better then his daddy but still not sound enough for me.

I used him a little this year.  He will down size, and the cow better be super sound.  will use him again.  pic of 1 of the heifers

How can someone say he moves like a cat and other say he's not sound enough for their use or that you better use him on super-sound cows?    The issue of whether the bull is sound or not  shouldn't be subjective...?

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How can someone say he moves like a cat and other say he's not sound enough for their use or that you better use him on super-sound cows?    The issue of whether the bull is sound or not  shouldn't be subjective...?

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Has there ever been a bovine where everyone agreed on the traits and the good and bad. Sounds like the usual, some fans, some not. Not everyone will use him and the ones that do will not use him with the same goal. AHHH the cattle business, versatility gotta love it.

Im not concerned with who "likes" him-- that's where personal preference comes in.  Im talking about functional characteristics.  Either the bull has the necessary, correct angulation or he does not. 

half of the angus bulls out there don't have correct angulation.  From my personal use of him damn proud will make them good boned, good haired, huge middled, and ad some muscle.  theres plenty of shorthorn cows out there that need those traits, if your trying to raise something that will sell for more than $.20 a pound less than the black hided calves at the local sale barn...

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Im not concerned with who "likes" him-- that's where personal preference comes in.  Im talking about functional characteristics.  Either the bull has the necessary, correct angulation or he does not. 

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That trait is still up for interpretation. If you like the bull you would probably say hes sound but if you dont you may say hes not sound enough for you to use.

The judge was extremely discerning all day regarding structural soundness and he did not make once mention of anything related to him being unsound...at all.  Structural soundness issues become much more evident and easy to identify in older animals.  And as a 2,000 pound two year old it should be pretty easy to spot especially after being on hard pavement for several days and with all that in mind he (in my opinion) seemed to be sound. 

I really thought SULL's two year bull would win and Damn Proud would be reserve.  But I can't argue with SULL's calf winning as I thought he was the best just wasn't sure that a calf would get the knod.

I agree he could have been reserve behind either sull bull. The reserve bull of cates wasn't one of the top ten bulls there, cates seemed to be treated extremely nice all day by the judge.

I think soundness in cattle can be debated at length.  Correct for you may not be for another.  I think the people that can put in perspective the usefulness of an animal in different breeding situations or environments are much more respected than the person that tells everyone else that there opinion sucks because it does not agree with what that person is pushing.  There are uses for all kinds of cattle out there in the world.  I personally loved the bull when I saw him as a calf in Louisville.  As with many of you, I would only use him in a manner more dirrected toward a ternimal use, like his sire.  To me, seeing one that is sound enough to convert and be efficient in a feed yard is way different than one that I want to take to NAILE and compete with the highest end show females, expecially in the shorty world as they can be jsut amazingly athletic.  But what do I know, I am just a hobby farmer.

Eggbert said:

The judge was extremely discerning all day regarding structural soundness and he did not make once mention of anything related to him being unsound...at all.  Structural soundness issues become much more evident and easy to identify in older animals.  And as a 2,000 pound two year old it should be pretty easy to spot especially after being on hard pavement for several days and with all that in mind he (in my opinion) seemed to be sound. 

I really thought SULL's two year bull would win and Damn Proud would be reserve.   But I can't argue with SULL's calf winning as I thought he was the best just wasn't sure that a calf would get the knod.

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I think some of that could be politics....

Again, I liked Proud in Louisville, but thought he ended up where he belonged.  I think Sullivan's champion is their third that has received the award as a calf, so that's not unusual.  Prime Time and Stockman were the others if my memory is correct.  I will agree that different people interpret terminology, such as  terminal sire, in different manners.  When I consider "terminal sires", I would look for more performance than the Proud Jazz line traditionally offers.