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Title: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: buckeye on March 19, 2012, 11:30:00 PM
So I see the eye candy semen has gone to $50, any other bulls you suggest on using this year since I will not be using eye candy now that the price has gone up
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Zach on March 19, 2012, 11:42:46 PM
$50 can get you atleast a $1500 return on a decent calf. It really isn't that much
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: buckeye on March 19, 2012, 11:49:39 PM
There are many other good bulls out there for $20-$25 that will give just as good results
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Muddy Creek Show Cattle on March 20, 2012, 12:00:08 AM
I have been pretty impressed by the Monopoly Money calves and also BIM.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: buckeye on March 20, 2012, 12:13:15 AM
I was just looking at monoply money, I may have to consider him as an option
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: C. Dalton Show Cattle on March 20, 2012, 08:24:27 AM
$50 can get you atleast a $1500 return on a decent calf. It really isn't that much

I agree, is an extra $25 really worth getting all worked up about?
If you're breeding him for what he is that little shouldn't matter, if you're breeding him because you think he has a cute name you can get some dairy semen for $5 dollars and get a live calf just as easy.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: olsun on March 20, 2012, 10:04:24 AM
I'll agree that in some cases, that 50 dollars isn't a big deal. But I can also think of several instances where 50$ has killed the deal. One such instance happened with the Maine bull Premium Blend. He started at 50 and no one used him. He is now down to 25, where he should have started, and few use him. His time came and went. I think that 50 dollars is only for very proven bulls that are no longer collecting, or in some cases not producing enough to keep up with supply. Semen priced too high can be the " kiss of death" for some bulls. JMO
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Hyper Intake on March 20, 2012, 11:02:39 AM
50$ for a straw is perfectly reasonable for him imo, hes proven that he is worth it with a great set of calves on the ground and in the ring now
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Woodland Farms on March 20, 2012, 12:03:23 PM
there is no way i would pay 50 dollars to put a crippled calf on the ground out of him. i have a bodacious calf on the ground thats more impressive than any eye candy ive seen. id give him a try.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Big M Show Cattle on March 20, 2012, 12:14:00 PM
I'll spend $25 to $30 on Walks Alone, Monopoly, Heat Wave clone, Ali, WMW, Bojo and the list goes on. Semen sales will go down. The $50 is not that big of a deal if you knew for sure that the cow would take the 1st time but if it takes another straw, your out $50 more than the others. Any decent calf will bring $1,500 in the club calf business and any of the above bulls bring more than $1,500 on average. It's a matter of time till a clone or a brother to him comes out. I like eye candy and have seen some nice calves out of him but not any more than the bulls above and not good enough in my opinion to spend $50 a straw.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Diamond on March 20, 2012, 12:39:04 PM
I would have to agree, he does not warrant the price jump, not when there's bulls like monopoly 2, bojo, bodacious ect. I'm glad I have a few straws ofhim my tank but, I won't be adding any more.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: MCC on March 20, 2012, 01:41:19 PM
$50 can get you atleast a $1500 return on a decent calf. It really isn't that much

I agree, is an extra $25 really worth getting all worked up about?
If you're breeding him for what he is that little shouldn't matter, if you're breeding him because you think he has a cute name you can get some dairy semen for $5 dollars and get a live calf just as easy.


With calf prices the way they are that $5 dollar dairy bull might throw you a $1500 calf at the sale barn next fall.  (lol)

I really like the bull and as I said in an earlier post I was going to use him but I agree there are bulls out there for less money that will probably do me just as good of job.  <rock>
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Ohio1 on March 20, 2012, 03:24:44 PM
I'd say monopoly and eye candy are both worth the higher price but for a 25 b.i.m is doing good
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Soehnlen Cattle Co. on March 20, 2012, 04:50:47 PM
I would use heat wave/monopoly clone an walk alone before him anyways. Those 3 win almost everything
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Ohio1 on March 20, 2012, 07:11:38 PM
Agree with soehnlen cattle
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Gargan on March 20, 2012, 07:44:36 PM
I cant believe Walks Alone is still $25 after all the champs he has sired. BIM calves are looking great but he is $30 but well worth it IMO.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: skeeter20 on March 20, 2012, 07:47:24 PM
Master Of Puppets, I know it is hard to justify just yet. But from the calves that I have seen from him on the ground now, he will prove himself worthy.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: bs372280 on March 20, 2012, 08:14:34 PM
I second that, I''ve had monopoly's but wasn't really impressed. Master of puppets gives a more consistent calf crop.  As of this far.   Different bulls work on different herds.  In my opinion smilin bob is the best bul on the market.  Breed him to smooth shouldered, deep bodied clubbier type cows and he'll do the rest.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: CAB on March 21, 2012, 10:33:15 AM
I guess IMO it will really slow the movement of semen on EC, but according to Cattle.com's latest club calf sales average with EC coming in 3rd overall behind Milkman & Smilin Bob, it makes more sense to me than the array of brand new promoted bulls coming out @ $50.00 with no calves on the ground & all of the hype of the syndicated bulls. In the end the owners/promoters sure have the right to price/merchandise their bulls however they feel best. It does cost allot of money to promote a bull & is not easy by a long shot!!
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Chap on March 21, 2012, 11:26:22 AM
i don't have a problem paying up for bulls that i know will work.  Like HW and Monopoly have proven their ability to work on certain cows and Mayer 734 before them.  If he is proven to be a producer on certain cows, it is foolish not to pay the extra $20-$25 and know what to expect.  I don't believe he is cloned and if demand is outpacing supply, the only way to equitably balance the demand equation is to raise prices. 
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: Till-Hill on March 21, 2012, 02:43:26 PM
I used 3 units last year, 1 calf. Had a 84 lb sold black heifer calf out of a BWF simmy x cow. I'm just shocked as the mother is painted up like a son of a gun that it come out solid. A little over on her front feet yet. Very thick and very hairy but other bulls will do that at half the price and stick a few more. I'm not one to be scared of high priced bulls as long as there is a reason. I'd like to know why he got jacked up I guess......
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: D Cattle on March 21, 2012, 04:38:15 PM
From what Chris Wilson told me he got hurt and is doing good but they won't try and collect him again until at least May.  We use a lot of him and like the results, I just put
another 30 units in my tank at OBE.  We got great conception rate with him.  The cows we bred to Eye Candy and Smiln' Bob had very high conception rates.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: MugzyMarie on March 29, 2012, 09:35:36 AM
So while we are talking about him, what would you breed an Eye Candy daughter(dam is a Dr. Who) to? She got the TH carrier gene, so it has to be something that is TH free.We are just trying to brainstorm some ideas right now.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: showsteernc on March 29, 2012, 10:54:32 AM
I would have to agree, he does not warrant the price jump, not when there's bulls like monopoly 2, bojo, bodacious ect. I'm glad I have a few straws ofhim my tank but, I won't be adding any more.

Bojo sure isn't cheap anymore though fwiw.......
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: kidsandkows on March 29, 2012, 11:31:31 AM
I am with you all. I was gonna use EC on a few cows, and I just believe for the price I can find a bull that will do the same thing. I was gonna use Jimmy the Greek I think on those same cows that need downsizing and some depth of body and hair? hopefully? What are some opinions on that?
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: dn91 on March 29, 2012, 11:54:24 AM
So while we are talking about him, what would you breed an Eye Candy daughter(dam is a Dr. Who) to? She got the TH carrier gene, so it has to be something that is TH free.We are just trying to brainstorm some ideas right now.

I have an Eye Candy heifer this year that I'm going to breed to Breathe Easy for the first calf. Traush farms seems to have a lot of good calves from this cross so itll be interesting what will happen.
Title: Re: Eye Candy Semen $50?
Post by: hntwhitetail on March 29, 2012, 01:15:50 PM
So while we are talking about him, what would you breed an Eye Candy daughter(dam is a Dr. Who) to? She got the TH carrier gene, so it has to be something that is TH free.We are just trying to brainstorm some ideas right now.

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