Flush Option for Angus Cow?

I am not sure he is available in Canada, but if you are chasing numbers then consider QUAKER HILL RAMPAGE 0A36.  Sexed semen is available.  A lot of growth with great maternal numbers.  I have used QH sires in the past and have always been pleased with the calves. 

Breed her to BIM or HW and make good show steers...just saying

Don't just throw out names, I'd like to know "why" as well.

Because there are not enough people breeding that type of growthy, soft made cow to those bulls....that type of mating flat works for x-breds

Bi-Lane Livestock said:

Don't just throw out names, I'd like to know "why" as well.

Because there are not enough people breeding that type of growthy, soft made cow to those bulls....that type of mating flat works for x-breds

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Thanks and good point.  My issue is the market up in Canada will not support using a cow like that on clubby calves.  We don't have near the top end of the clubby market like you guys do.

cowboy_nyk said:

Bi-Lane Livestock said:

Don't just throw out names, I'd like to know "why" as well.

Because there are not enough people breeding that type of growthy, soft made cow to those bulls....that type of mating flat works for x-breds

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Thanks and good point.  My issue is the market up in Canada will not support using a cow like that on clubby calves.  We don't have near the top end of the clubby market like you guys do.

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realistically most of us below the border do not have that top end market available either. Most of those top end steers are traded a few times B4 they find the trader that has the clients that can & will pay the prices that we all see. I think that a person is better off spending time and money trying to improve on their best individuals in a way that can move their own herd forward faster.

Before making recommendations i want to know more about your goals for this heifer.  Do you want more performance?  calving ease?  What do you want to improve cofirmation wise?  Do you want an outcross?
I want your opinion of the Britsh bull Netherton Mr Brazilian E377.  He looks like the typical Dalrene/Young dale cattler popular in the UK but this bull appears to be a potential outcross that will not cause calving problems. His pedigree also has some show ring cred in Canada. 

My goals are pretty simple: no extremes for performance or birth weight.  I would like to see her numbers improve so breed average or better epds for growth, scrotal.  Docility is a must have.  Feet, legs, udder are paramount.  Like I said before, if she needs anything, I'd like more muscle shape in her calves.  For that reason she was bred to Belvin Tres Marias Patron last year.  His numbers and consistency are not what I would consider for a flush however.  Outcross is a plus, but most outcrosses sacrifice consistency.  I want this mating to be a home-run.  She's already 7 and the glow of a national championship will soon fade.  No time like the present to capitalize.

From the photos I can find Mr Brazilian looks pretty good.  Lots of length, scrotal, appears to have enough muscle.  Maybe looks a little straight out of the shoulder.  His numbers don't do him any favors.  I'd need to see a lot of progeny to use a bull with that poor of an EPD set.

That clarifies things a bit. You want better power, growth and muscle for this female.  Do you have access to Young Dale Xcaliber 2X semen?  It seems that he gives you what you want in a known package. If I couldn't get Xcaliber I would look at his son Nozeka carried by semex.
By the way all cattle no matter how good they are, when they do not have any parental EPDs their numbers always are bad.  This holds for all breeds.  This is because EPDs are a lag indicator.  Some of the Fleckvieh and Full French Charolais had terrible EPDs until they got some calves on the ground.  To solve this problem you would have to progeny test bulls non EPD bulls with bulls that have extensive EPD records backing them up  to give them an equal opportunity environment to express their genetic worth.

Interesting that you suggest Xcaliber.  I had considered Nozeka.  Xcaliber himself is bigger frame than I would really want.  I have seen come great calves off of him but definitely have seen some that are too tall for my liking.  Nozeka is interesting though.  I may have to get to youngdale this spring to look at the calves.

I know what you are saying regarding EPDs. We are slowly winning that battle with patron as he gains progeny.  My point is that I want the progeny to have better EPDs (than the cow) to make them more marketable.  These days (especially in the Angus world) being good isn't good enough if you want to sell to a fellow breeder.  Bulls (and females) need to be the "total package" for anyone to consider buying from a little guy like me.

I am not naive enough to think that good epds = good bull. However, in this case I'm not sure I'm wiling to risk too may "unknowns".  I would consider using that Mr Brazilian bull as an AI sire though.  Only problem is that I think my tank is full already!

Well the old girl popped out a powerful looking heifer calf last week by Belvin Tres Marias Patron.  I'm thinking, with how good that cross worked, something like SAV Resource is a no brainer.  Big pounds in a moderate package with lots of shape and marketable to boot.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions and kind words.  I'll try to get a pic of the calf next time I see her (not at my place).

Good choice.  Belvin Tres Marias Patron is a complete different, but right.

Good choice.  Belvin Tres Marias Patron is a complete different, but right.

Well it was a very successful flush! It was our first flush we've ever don and she gave us 17 viable embryos! Implanted 8 fresh *fingers crossed* 

We ended up flushing her to SAV Resource as we felt he should add some muscling and mass while not increasing frame, with the added bonus of improving EPDs as well. 

I believe we are going top breed her to Shipwheel Montana now for a natural calf, just to try something new/different. Has anyone heard anything on him?

Attached a pic form a few weeks ago of 2T and her calf.  The calf is coming along great.  When I was putting her down the chute yesterday I swear you could've sat a dinner plate on her back!

Have you considered RB Tour of Duty? He is about the hottest thing going right now in the states! Super EPD's with excellent phenotype! And they sell like hot cakes.

We put in 8 2T x Resource embryos last year and got 3 bulls and one heifer.  The heifer looks like she's going to pay for the flush by herself.  The bulls are good too but she's outstanding.  9 more embryos went in this spring so hopefully we get more like her!

Also pictured is the yearling 2T x Patron daughter.  We got her bred early to Baldridge Download.  I have a few Download calves this year and they are looking promising.

I like your yearling pretty well. 

Thanks.  I'm a fan of her as well.  The different twist in her pedigree (sire is from Argentina) could make her an interesting breeding piece if she can transmit her look to her offspring as consistently as her mother does.

Go oldy ext

Updated pics of the progeny.  First pic is an ET calf that resulted from my flush.  She's coming along nicely.  Extremely docile, excellent hair, feet, and structure.  Awesome Angus character in her head.  Class winner at our fall show here in MB.  I think she's got a bright future.

Second and third pics are of the yearling heifer off 2T and Belvin Tres Marias Patron.  She was a class winner and was also reserve Yearling Heifer at our fall show. She has loads of natural thicknes, perfect feet, and is laying down a beautiful udder.  Not to mention her feminine head. She's bred early to a son of MOGCK Bullseye for what should be an exciting calf.