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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #15 on: March 19, 2014, 04:28:01 PM »
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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2014, 08:34:51 PM »
Sullivan isn't just playing with show cattle. That's the industry he chooses and he is very successful at it.
Just because there are commerical cattle doesn't mean company's have to carry those bulls. Shorthorn bulls aren't the answer to everything.
 
Sullivan isn't just playing with show cattle. That's the industry he chooses and he is very successful at it.
Just because there are commerical cattle doesn't mean company's have to carry those bulls. Shorthorn bulls aren't the answer to everything. //// Nobody said they were-Its just a shame that good useable bulls (according to thier owners) arent more available.I GUESS AFTER SO MANY C-SECTIONS WORD GETS AROUND-and the clubmembers need to improve thier image-even though it has no bearing on the direction of the breed.Ive had alot of different cattle-and in alot of instances Angus,Limmi,Simm ,etc arent the answer either Especially some of the crazy Limmies we had-and ANYTHING sired by EXT-flat out dangerous and STOOOOPID O0
 
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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #17 on: March 20, 2014, 12:04:42 AM »
Yeah it is sad that the state of the Shorthorn breed is that people make fun of them in a Genex catalog or believe "commercial shorthorn" is an oxy moron.
The reality is that commercial cattle is where the money is. You can't make money from show cattle. You think Sullivans is making all kinds of money from show cattle? They might be breaking even in my opinion. It's not any of my business really. All I know is that low input and high output real world cattle that work for me instead of me working for them is what is in demand. The potential semen sales of a Shorthorn bull being fully accepted into the commercial industry would be astronomical in my opinion. I don't know that my bull is that bull, but I do know he is one good rip and can do a lot of things good. If you don't dream, if you don't ask, you will never receive...
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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #18 on: March 20, 2014, 06:18:13 AM »
Sullivan will improve the breed perse by default-sooner or later the DMCC LTD EDITION blood by way of Tim Loudouns Hartman Countess (basic to his Red Rewards etc) will make its way to SEK or Cattle Visions.And with the huge gene pool of great but strictly high maintanance show cattle-it will happen through females that if bred rhe right waywill produce functional cattle-and also put preassure in the show ring.Even I have had a LTD Edition x Cumberland bull out for 4 years called Panama Red-and hes as easy calving as anything-he just doesnt make them showy.If you can produce F1s that are CONSISTANT-and retain ownership and elimiate the sale barn goobers,and get paid by how they grade and perform,than you might be trading money,but facts support reality.There are some surprising transformations of Hienz 57 cattle into a uniform group of calves along with alot of desired taits by Irish Reds and Irish black bulls.All in one generation-Somebody like you or Trevor Gray needs to check that deal out.They are literally a breed created here in the US-and have been lien bred for years.And for all the Dakota DOPES-Shorthorns and other such  cattle are not oxymorons a few miles North of thier border.

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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2014, 07:53:18 AM »
Those bulls aren't Shorthorn-  that's one of the primary problems.  We need to close the damn herd book, do away w/ the asterisks, and establish what is Shorthorn.

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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #20 on: March 20, 2014, 08:52:58 AM »
And you wonder why shorthorn isnt taken seriously by so many, even the breeders cant agree what is a true shorthorn. The breed has some serious image issue.

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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2014, 09:08:03 AM »
And you wonder why shorthorn isnt taken seriously by so many, even the breeders cant agree what is a true shorthorn. The breed has some serious image issue.

I agree, though it's more of an Identity issue.  So many looking out for themselves trying to push, peddle, and market w/e they want under the Shorthorn name. 

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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2014, 09:17:25 AM »
I don't agree with breeders don't know what a true shorthorn is. These cattle (mostly) have been bred to win a banner. That's been the main emphasis for a while now. It's a fact. The good shorties are few and far between. But they are there. I feel bad for those breeders. For starters they will probably never be recognized for what they've done. And secondly, the good they could bring to the table is lost because the pedigree isn't hot or the breeder isn't cool. Then throw in the breeders who have something useful but end up being another used car salesman. Using every opportunity to promote their cattle but bash the majority of the other breeders with rumors and innuendo. Every breed has it's issues with cattle and people. It's just the way of things. Shorthorns frustrate me because the main players are still satisfied winning a show with a fat heifer that more then likely won't make a cow that can compete without high input scenarios. Also it seems odd to me nobody can find the next bull or program that can help move the breed forward. What will you do. Where is the next bull coming from? Trumps, JPJ and ............what's next? I heard cattle visions star bull isn't producing semen anymore. Soooo where you going folks? Where you going? I'll tell you where you go. Commercial viability will begin when places such as Kapers, Lauers, Y Lazy Y, A@T, Muridale.

It will take breeders in numbers to use and propagate genetics like this to just prove to others what shorthorns can do. I'm no longer a ASA member and I won't be anytime soon but I'll still use shorthorns. They cut great. Are tender. And don't chase you all over the pasture. I recently promoted the eating qualities of shorthorns at a local meeting with chefs and distributors in central ohio. Nobody had heard of shorthorns but they knew the office for the CAB program was just a couple hours north of Columbus.

Y'all got one big ass hill of crap to climb to change things but it's possible. Good luck. I'll keep everyone updated on how the different bloodlines ate and what the chefs thought.

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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #23 on: March 20, 2014, 02:38:34 PM »
Semex sure seems to be catching on.
especially Globally. Semex has always marketed Shorthorn semen in Latin American Countries, in the Southern Hemisphere.


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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2014, 06:20:37 PM »
Thats a stout moderate bull,who in alot of respects (from the picture) is similar in type to Capiche-and I would bet that he gets used by the same people (other than maybe the Dakota Dopes) who would use Capiche-and there were alot of them. He will probably produce more performance,without giving up calving ease. So theres another step in the right direction. O0

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Re: Funny commercial Shorthorn story from Ohio Beef Expo
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2014, 08:02:23 PM »
Semex was one of unique semen companies that kept Shorthorn offering for South America...OK...not the bulls that we would need, but kept it on catalogues showing that Shorthorn are a bovine breed. Last year ABS also insert a new bull on catalogue, the first one on last 20 years I think.
Genex offered two bulls on last 8 years, nothing special.
Not many Shorthorn semen is sold here, I believe that Argentina, Brazil and Uruguay can order annually around 2500 to 3000 straws together.
Not like Capiche.
Companies must understand that with rare breeds as Shorthorn, they need HEAR what exactly the breeders wish and not contract the Champion Show or the bulls that they suspect to be the best one based on some proeminent bredders that also are the bull owner.
Yet waiting for a Shorthorn bull from north hemisphere that I can put the eyes and say...UOOOOWWWW!
Some one are catching my eye on last two years, but none on semen companies being offered for us. The unique way to get it is asking personally with owner and try arrange a good viable price to start the import procedures.
Luckly Semex own an interesting bull that we got import some semen to Brazil last month. Hope that the bull arrive soon.

 

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