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good old commercial cross
« on: October 08, 2014, 02:53:06 PM »
I enjoy other folks photos, so here is one
This is a first calf heifer, shorthorn sire on 036 influenced commercial Angus. She was the first to calf, first to breed back and had half the calves on pasture were stealing milk from her. I just think she is in good shape for a 2 year old that was raised on hill grass. Her mom was from next door, out of a home grown 036 son on a daughter of a different home grown 036 son. I bet lots of good commercial Angus are similarly bred and need an outcross to stay away  Angus genetic defects. Shorthorn works, I think. Lets offer some more clean ones.

 
 
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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2014, 03:05:35 PM »
That is a nice looking cow, think how much better she would be red though....

Better bred red!!!

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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2014, 04:55:48 PM »
Being 036 lineage, did you test her for DD status?
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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2014, 06:07:19 PM »
She thinks she's red.

I'm not testing her since I'm just raising beef with her, but I sure wouldn't use most Angus on her or her mom. Once upon a time I thought about using Predestined on that family, but things have sure changed.
Luckily, I still have that Shorthorn bull they teased me for buying. ;)
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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2014, 04:14:32 PM »
Been using several Shorthorn sires (some on recommendation of SP folks) over high % Angus and AngusXSimAngus cows for about 5-6 years.  Have several that look not unlike yours, librarian - but also have enough red-factor cows from the Simmental background that I'm also getting some good red calves, too!
The Shorthorn-sired calves have easily outdone their Angus-sired contemporaries, and have held their own pretty well against most of the Simmental-sired calves out of 1/2-3/4 Simmental cows.

SHxAN cows/heifers are still new in the pipeline, with only a few in production, but they look good so far!


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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #5 on: October 10, 2014, 07:30:11 PM »
I keep seeing you come up with these good cattle that alot of people are Chicken#$$^&*t  to produce-I like her real well-and I think shed throw a really good one out of Young Money-another Shorthorn cross-I used to see alot of Shorthorn Angus crosses-and they were like that-deeper ribbed and middled than an Angus-easy keeping and calving like an Angus-and shared the growth curves of both breeds-with the Angus adding the first 6 month positive growth curve:and the Shorthorn taking it from there-along with a show ring look an Angus WILL NEVER HAVE. More power to you and the other respondant above. The whole pureist thing takes away from the PIONEERS-who show what happens when you take what used to be THE best cross in cattle once again (clapping) O0
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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #6 on: October 10, 2014, 07:33:05 PM »
Been using several Shorthorn sires (some on recommendation of SP folks) over high % Angus and AngusXSimAngus cows for about 5-6 years.  Have several that look not unlike yours, librarian - but also have enough red-factor cows from the Simmental background that I'm also getting some good red calves, too!
The Shorthorn-sired calves have easily outdone their Angus-sired contemporaries, and have held their own pretty well against most of the Simmental-sired calves out of 1/2-3/4 Simmental cows./// I get on here alot talking about the Shorthorn Simm cross-hope you try it-or try it on the f1s HATS OFF (clapping) O0

SHxAN cows/heifers are still new in the pipeline, with only a few in production, but they look good so far!

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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2014, 10:55:21 AM »
Hey Mark, we're not all too good to keep those easy doing SHxAN cows around!  All they do is hang around and spit out calves for years.  Before you know it you've got a line 4 or 5 generations deep and you're culling the papered cows for not keeping up.  <rock>


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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2014, 01:43:52 PM »
Here's the first SHxAN cow we bred, a Waukaru Goldmine 2109, with her third calf, sired by Long's Shear Pleasure, born 12 Aug 14
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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2014, 02:07:44 PM »
SHxAN cross is king! <party>

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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2014, 05:01:43 PM »
 <beer>Super neat calf, Lucky. What I like best about these cows is they calve out with no big deal and then they are gentle to work with. My straight Angus usually want to stomp me after they have a calf.
This is that cows first calf,  from this year at three months. Sire daughter mating- just out of my curiosity.
Seems like a lot of calving ease is built into shorthorn cross cows, but I don't really know.

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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2014, 10:44:17 AM »
Med Rare and Lucky-P-Them are goodlookin cows and got some Durham in em-as the Old Folks in West Va would say O0

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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2014, 10:58:18 AM »
  Before you know it you've got a line 4 or 5 generations deep and you're culling the papered cows for not keeping up<rock>

Be careful here.  A good hybrid should always out perform the purebred counterpart.  The key is to evaluate how much of this performance is the result of genetic superiority vs how much is the result of heterosis. 

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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2014, 08:48:45 PM »
There are 50 and 60 year old commercial herds of cattle around here that dont do no scientific anything-once in awhile they"ll get a Smoke bull or something like that-And they dont know the breeding on anything-And I see some DAMN good smoke calves or part simm calves out the window every day-They aint there when they calve-there aint no creep feeders;and they dont judge cattle by showring standards ar all.-And they wean off bigger and thicker THAN THE WHITESTONE ANGUS CALVES IN THE DONER PEN that I also pass 3 days a week-Along with several big money herds in my County-Must be belated heterosis:or some kind of genetic guardian angel after all those years-and when I get back to being well-Im gonna buy some of them salebarn hifers and ruin the cycle by breeding them "purebred". O0

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Re: good old commercial cross
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2014, 08:46:59 AM »
This is probably not the place to put this out, but at least its on topic.
Because I am moving I have to sell my angus cross family.
 If there is a functionally oriented grass beef person out there looking for 6 good young cows, talk to me. Not to make show calves, please. Not my prejudice, just a promise I made.
Selling those cows is the worst part of selling this farm. I worked hard on them.
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