Gotta Love Our Government

Shorthorns4us · Aug 30, 2013

First-- I appreciate the opportunity given to me by my forefathers that wrote the constitution that I can get on this board and BASH talk my government without the fear of being put before a firing squad.

Now that said: WTF-- I just talked to our FSA office about the order to emergency hay that was released yesterday. The office said they received the order yesterday and that all emergency haying on CRP for the 10% pay loss is only good until August 31!!!!
And I specifically asked if that means we have to have it started by Aug. 31-- hay mowed at the least but not yet baled-- and they said it has to be COMPLETED by Aug. 31-- which they interpreted to be mowed, baled and removed.
How on EARTH can we get an order on Aug. 29 and have it done by AUG. 31!!

Thank you for letting me vent!
Anyone heard any different from their FSA office?
EF

aj · Aug 30, 2013

In Kansas we're grazing until the end of Sept.....I think.......haying miight be the same as you but they didn't aprove it till a couple weeks ago......10 reduction of paymentand the grazing deal counted as a required mowing operation also.

knabe · Aug 30, 2013

One of the best ways to supplement farm income is to have a spouse work at the fsa or other government job. Or have a spouse of indian heritage to get loan priority. The whole system is corrupt, but no none has the guts to dismantle it. Everyone is at the cliff with a giant sweeper arm behind them and they are evaluating if they can get enough people to jump first and make a pile so their fall is cushioned to survive the fall rater than get rid of the arm.

mark tenenbaum · Aug 30, 2013

knabe said:
One of the best ways to supplement farm income is to have a spouse work at the fsa or other government job. Or have a spouse of indian heritage to get loan priority. The whole system is corrupt, but no none has the guts to dismantle it. Everyone is at the cliff with a giant sweeper arm behind them and they are evaluating if they can get enough people to jump first and make a pile so their fall is cushioned to survive the fall rater than get rid of the arm.

(clapping) (clapping) (lol) <party> <beer>

twc77 · Aug 30, 2013

knabe said:
One of the best ways to supplement farm income is to have a spouse work at the fsa or other government job. Or have a spouse of indian heritage to get loan priority. The whole system is corrupt, but no none has the guts to dismantle it. Everyone is at the cliff with a giant sweeper arm behind them and they are evaluating if they can get enough people to jump first and make a pile so their fall is cushioned to survive the fall rater than get rid of the arm.

Maybe the preferential treatment as far as loans go is in fact just differed payment of interest due for the beads and smallpox infected blankets.

knabe · Aug 30, 2013

twc77 said:
Maybe the preferential treatment as far as loans go is in fact just differed payment of interest due for the beads and smallpox infected blankets.

is the debt infinite?

twc77 · Aug 30, 2013

knabe said:
twc77 said:

Maybe the preferential treatment as far as loans go is in fact just differed payment of interest due for the beads and smallpox infected blankets.

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is the debt infinite?

Good question. What is formula to calculate value of one singular human being? Be hard for a dumb ole boy like me to cypher. And then you multiply that by the numbers(plural) of those affected plus the value of the real estate and don't forget the interest. Infinite?prolly not, but I will bet the farm its a pile of zeros you couldn't pull with a peterbuilt.

knabe · Aug 30, 2013

twc77 said:
What is formula to calculate value of one singular human being?

ask planned parenthood. ;D

twc77 · Aug 30, 2013

knabe said:
twc77 said:

What is formula to calculate value of one singular human being?

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ask planned parenthood. ;D

Excellent answer. when conversation turns away from your desired direction, change the subject. (thumbsup) maybe we can ask in and out burger why their burgers are so tasty.c'mon knabe you are always on aj for asking questions already knowing the answer.I personally don't agree with abortion either, just pretty sure its not my job to judge those that do.
I am a big fan of debating Bill Clinton style also.. you are a smart guy and usually enjoy your posts thoroughly btw

knabe · Aug 30, 2013

when a hole in logic is exposed, you changed the subject, not me.

the correct answer is we don't owe the indians anything since we don't owe the unborn anything.

for the record, i'm pro-hypocrisy at 20 weeks. after that, murder. a nice clear line and a clear compromise something either side is incapable of.

twc77 · Aug 30, 2013

knabe said:
when a hole in logic is exposed, you changed the subject, not me.

the correct answer is we don't owe the Indians anything since we don't owe the unborn anything.

I was trying to make a point as to how insensitive your comment was bout Indians seemed. Heck, you are pretty hard on the little ladies at the FSA office as well. Did your significant other get passed up in the interview for the job? If not why the hard feelings? All that hate is going to slowly eat you up, if you let it

Lucky_P · Aug 30, 2013

I chased those 'free government dollars' for years, too - but they come with a tether and a cost.

Swore off those programs several years ago - they still call me trying to get me to come sign up for my 'free' money. No thanks. The requirements and hoops usually end up with it costing me more in the long run, and the d@mned government is in my business too much already.

knabe · Aug 30, 2013

twc77 said:
I was trying to make a point as to how insensitive your comment was bout Indians seemed. Heck, you are pretty hard on the little ladies at the FSA office as well. Did your significant other get passed up in the interview for the job? If not why the hard feelings? All that hate is going to slowly eat you up, if you let it

seemed but wasn't. i am being truthful about a job at fsa, it's a good job, and there are men their too, even white one's. i have no hard feelings towards anyone and no hate either, that's a waste of time. we don't use the fsa and will not re-up for crp again. the upfront instant gratification is set up to be too hard to resist, and once the handcuffs are on, they have you over a barrel and the return on investment is severely restricted, and only force one to sell out to a land trust in the long run, really the goal of all these programs. people, for some reason can't see it. if anything, these programs are INSENSITIVE to the long term viability of the communities that use them, only speeding up the elimination of their existence.

do you care equally about the sensitivity of all individuals and groups?

knabe · Aug 30, 2013

here's a more in depth argument for those who would tell others what to do but refuse to do it for themselves.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/357248/evict-rich-white-liberals-kevin-williamson

"Redistributing funds is not sufficient; we have to redistribute people."

why is it that some people who would impose desegregation don't move to where the opposite of their self imposed segregation has landed them. lead by example. that way, they will be sensitive to a different perspective. the one that lead to property rights.

twc77 · Aug 30, 2013

knabe said:
here's a more in depth argument for those who would tell others what to do but refuse to do it for themselves.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/357248/evict-rich-white-liberals-kevin-williamson

"Redistributing funds is not sufficient; we have to redistribute people."

why is it that some people who would impose desegregation don't move to where the opposite of their self imposed segregation has landed them. lead by example. that way, they will be sensitive to a different perspective. the one that lead to property rights.

With you approach of linking crp/FSA to redistribution of wealth. Maybe try looking up what were the political leanings of the administrations in power when both programs were started. Just a couple of hints one started in the early fifties an the other in the early to mid 80's. Oh, and they didn't like killing babies anymore than you or I

CAB · Aug 30, 2013

Shorthorns 4us, the radio broke in late today and said that if you just call in and tell them that you are planning on harvesting CRP ground then come in by 9/13 and give them your final harvest figures that, that will work.

knabe · Aug 30, 2013

twc77 said:
Maybe try looking up what were the political leanings of the administrations in power when both programs were started.

the party who started them doesn't matter. both parties use various programs to pay off their base.

Shorthorns4us · Aug 30, 2013

CAB-- thanks for the update! I will probably call in again on Tues-- after the holiday to double check what is up in my county.
We personally don't have any CRP acres enrolled-- it is my dad's ground and he is trying to help by offering his ground for hay without losing too much of his payment.
KNABE-- I agree with your point about the "corner" some of these programs put you in. I personally have no interest in getting into any more govt programs and we have convinced my dad to let his CRP contracts expire to put back in production. I know that for him back in the 80's CRP sign up was the only way he kept the farm. I guess it is all about what rock and hard place you are backed in.
I hope that things for us don't come to this, but if we were looking at bankruptcy I might see the "free money" as my only way and be willing to give in to the corners and rules posted. Farmers and their attachment to the land and way of life are tough to figure what extremes they will go to.
Great conversations as always!
EF

mark tenenbaum · Aug 30, 2013

knabe said:
twc77 said:

Maybe try looking up what were the political leanings of the administrations in power when both programs were started.

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the party who started them doesn't matter. both parties use various programs to pay off their base.

//// In other words-IT DEPENDS ON THE ISSUE-Used to be-that Demos and Pubs would get together on what they agreed upon- and sometimes not-but even in eras when things weren"t so transparent-they knew dam well they"d better get certain things done-or they wouldn"t be back. It's so self serving and petty now I don"t see for the life of me how you guys proelthetise about any political party.Nobodies perfect-so cry like a spoiled b%&&*(($tch and point fingers-as they digress from a perfect world you think exists LOL. If I were a Republican,or even a follower of sensationalist embarrassing idiots like Rush (dont:t mean to make the drugs mad) Limbaugh-I"d sure look to John McCain-who tells it like it is (both ways)-HE openly supports the president etc. (BLASPHEMY) on issues that he agrees with-and openly goes the other way-when he doesn"t. Pretty rare these days:especially when:hard unpopular choices like keeping nerve gas at bay have to made quickly-right or wrong,without posturing and fanfare.Maybe thats why George 11 is up visiting again:and not for political gain-out of respect O0

BTDT · Aug 30, 2013

I had the nrcs do a "project" ONCE a few years ago. I had three requirements for the project, and ended up with all three: I have a sess pool of a pond in my cattle pasture, my creek crossing isn't passable much of the time, and the trees were taken out so therefore it is eroding. And just today, it cost me a Grid Topper X Tiger bred heifer, she apparently got stuck in the mud (?) and either tore her knee completely apart, or broke her femur.

Dozer is coming Tuesday to "remove" the terrace. I guess if they want to "fine" me, then they can pay for the heifer.

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