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justintime

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This is HC Cruiser 59C, who will turn 3 years old in May this year. He was the top selling bull in our 2016 Sun Country Shorthorn sale at $16,500. As a yearling bull he bred 21 females, most of which were heifers. In 2017 he bred over 30 cows many of which have some clubby blood and a few were purebred Shorthorn. He has continued to develop into a moderate framed tank and had tremendous thickness and is very sound footed. He also has hair like a muskox. He is sired by Shadybrook Hot Shot 88A and his dam is SBF Golden 81A ( by Sprys All Gold). Cruiser was born unassisted from a first calf heifer with a BW of 80 lbs.
His first two sons will sell on March 6th in the Sun Country sale. The sale will be broadcast live at www.dvauction.com
Also pictured is his first son to sell. He is HC Enforcer 60E. He was born April 3rd, 2017 unassisted from a mature cow with a BW of 88lbs.
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
Reminds me a little of bulls like this clipper bull from the 50 s and 60s-The clipper pictured is the widest made one ive seen a picture of O0
That is KC Clipper Duke.  I have a daughter of him.  She is a thick chunk.
 

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justintime said:
This is HC Cruiser 59C, who will turn 3 years old in May this year. He was the top selling bull in our 2016 Sun Country Shorthorn sale at $16,500. As a yearling bull he bred 21 females, most of which were heifers. In 2017 he bred over 30 cows many of which have some clubby blood and a few were purebred Shorthorn. He has continued to develop into a moderate framed tank and had tremendous thickness and is very sound footed. He also has hair like a muskox. He is sired by Shadybrook Hot Shot 88A and his dam is SBF Golden 81A ( by Sprys All Gold). Cruiser was born unassisted from a first calf heifer with a BW of 80 lbs.
His first two sons will sell on March 6th in the Sun Country sale. The sale will be broadcast live at www.dvauction.com
Also pictured is his first son to sell. He is HC Enforcer 60E. He was born April 3rd, 2017 unassisted from a mature cow with a BW of 88lbs.
Grant that is an awesome looking bull.  I too would like to know his frame score.
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
beebe said:
mark tenenbaum said:
Reminds me a little of bulls like this clipper bull from the 50 s and 60s-The clipper pictured is the widest made one ive seen a picture of O0
That is KC Clipper Duke.  I have a daughter of him.  She is a thick chunk.Id REALLY like to see a picture of her-semen is probably non existant O0
I have a picture of her last summer when my granddaughter showed her.  I will see if I can find someone that knows how to put it on here.
 

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Thanks much-I really like the looks of that bull-And Im not much on the dual native deal perse-I just remember thick bulls like that when I was very young-Like the Oakwood, Leveldale and Aberfeldy cattle Id see at the Eastern National. Not all of them-but some of them O0
 

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Can he (cruiser) breed 30-40 cows on 1500 acres and not hang out at the water trough?


Scan data, ww,yw, scrotal?
 

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knabe said:
Can he (cruiser) breed 30-40 cows on 1500 acres and not hang out at the water trough?


Scan data, ww,yw, scrotal?

Prior to our 2016 sale, we semen tested our sale bulls in February. Cruiser was only 9 months old and my vet said there was really no sense in even testing him when he was this young. I convinced her to semen test him anyways just so we would have a basis to use if he did not pass the test. To our surprise he had the highest semen score of all our sale bulls and scored 93%. He was too young to ultrasound when we did our bulls, so he was never done but I really think he would have had a tremendous ultrasound. He has a loin you can hardly get your hand around ( which I know is not totally accurate) and he is very easy fleshing. I have found that bulls that flesh as easily as Cruiser always seem to have very good IMF scores. The closest untrasound technician to us, lives over 400 miles away so we could not get him done after the rest of the sale bulls.
As for breeding cows, as a very young yearling, Cruiser bred 21 head ( mostly heifers) and settled all of them on the first service.  As a two year old, he ran with 34 cows on rough native pasture, and when the owners pregnancy tested last fall, all the cows were bred. He came in from pasture in late October in excellent condition despite our summer being the driest one in history.
I retained an in herd semen interest in him, so we wanted to get some semen last spring, in case something happened to him with his was breeding. We got 182 straws of very high quality semen from his first collection. I have had some bulls that did much better but I have also had some that did much worse.
I am going to try to get a frame score and possibly a weight on him today. I don't think I can get him up the scale alley without getting him stuck in it, and I have weighed some pretty heavy bulls on it. He is just too thick to make it down the alley. I am going to try to move the scale and see if he can just be lead onto the scale.
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
I dont think a long yearling would look anything like that in harsh conditions Need to go to Kansas Oklahoma, Texas, etc to see one like that-and they aint real shiney O0

We had the driest summer in history last summer and southern Saskatchewan can get pretty dry. Cruiser came off pasture after breeding 34 cows in excellent condition. Past of the reason he stays in as good condition as he does is that he seldom breeds a cow more than once. Some bulls will chase a cow in herd all day and breed them several times. Cruiser would breed them and then go back to grazing. Our old Ready Go bull was much the same. He almost drove me crazy as I would see cows in heat when I did a pasture check and Ready Go would be not be paying any attention to her. He always came home from pasture in better shape than when he went out, and the cows were always in calf. Cruiser is much the same.
The people who bought Cruiser, bought him mainly to use on cows that were sired by clubby bulls. They also have a few PB Shorthorns, but the main reason they wanted him was to try to try to be able to continue to produce some blue roan show steers and heifers and some replacement heifers that were more fertile and sound than some of the heifers they had sired by some clubby bulls. I am looking forward to seeing their calf crop born this year.
 

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Like to see a picture from behind-hes the kind that would be good start on the wayward wound up Salutes and Solutions-A change is definitely underway on those genetics but a lot of the bulls are not for use by mere mortals-so their usage will be limited and the numbers just as fake.  O0
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
I dont think a long yearling would look anything like that in harsh conditions Need to go to Kansas Oklahoma, Texas, etc to see one like that-and they aint real shiney O0

Well of course. They don’t even look like that there— notice the obvious selective blur editing being used. 

Here’s what they look like catalogued and videod, versus how they look when they’ll show up. And then a 90 day progression or regression rather during breeding season.

 

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mark tenenbaum said:
Thanks much-I really like the looks of that bull-And Im not much on the dual native deal perse-I just remember thick bulls like that when I was very young-Like the Oakwood, Leveldale and Aberfeldy cattle Id see at the Eastern National. Not all of them-but some of them O0
Here are the pictures of the Clipper Duke calf. She is ten months old here and had no grain.
 

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Just out of curiosity what would people scale the pictured Crusier bull at on the cow condition body score scale. I was thinking 8 or nine. I think alot of the show cattle could go 8 anymore.
 

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aj said:
Just out of curiosity what would people scale the pictured Crusier bull at on the cow condition body score scale. I was thinking 8 or nine. I think alot of the show cattle could go 8 anymore.

Cruiser is in good condition, but I don't think he would be a body score 8. He was brought here on November 19th after he was picked up from the native bush pasture he had been on since May. The guy who owns him, died very suddenly and his wife asked me if I would winter him for her. He has been in with my bulls for 2 months when I pictured him. He looks like he is loaded but I could feel his rib very easily when I tried to weigh him. In that regard, He got stuck in the alley that goes to my scale and I thought I was going to have to tear the barn apart to get him out. He really got wedged in the chute but I finally was able to get him out.  His calves look much like him in that they are moderate framed and thick. They look fatter than they really are I think. They are being fed free choice hay and a 14% growing pellet that contains screenings, cull lentils and 10 % barley. The ration is designed for 3 lbs/ day gain, but I find our bulls always do considerably more than this. The feed salesman is always surprised we are getting the gains we are. I weigh my bulls every 28 days just to keep track of how they are doing. It always amazes me how the bulls gain in very cold weather. We just went through a period of wicked cold weather with wind chills of -40 to -45. I would expect they would not gain very much but when I weighed the pen a few days ago, they had gained on average 1.28 lbs/day more than they had on the previous weigh period.
 
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