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Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« on: January 22, 2014, 04:54:51 PM »
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone that came out and either helped or said kind words about Cabrera.  This last weekend is a weekend I will never forget.  Glad that I could meet so many new friends and see some great old friends.  We are still selling semen packages @$2000 for 50 units.  We have US semen right now on him and will be taking him to stud in a few weeks for international.  Please let my know if you are interested.

Thanks again

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« Last Edit: January 22, 2014, 04:55:28 PM by Davis Shorthorns »
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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2014, 08:02:59 AM »
Nice job.
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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2014, 12:24:29 PM »
This bull I really liked from the time I first saw him coming down the aisle.  He hadn't been clipped or washed yet.
I went back to look at him after he had been clipped and then I found out about his EPD's  0.0    8.3    24.8   3.9     he had a 900# Adj weaning weight plus he weighed 1822 # in Denver.   I really think this bull has a place in the shorthorn industry. His first calves are in the 75# range out of first calf heifers.

I sure plan on using him
 

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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2014, 01:26:58 PM »
Thanks guys it was great meeting you Tom and we are very excited about the possibilitys for this bull.  I personally think this is the right kind of bull for my program.  Low bw good growth with marketability in both commercial and show markets. 
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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2014, 06:12:10 PM »
And I personally think-that alot of potential users-small breeders and certainly prople of other breeds-wont use an unproven bull where you have to spend $2000 to try him.  O0

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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2014, 10:06:26 AM »
I would tend to agree that most of the Shorthorn breeders have small herds and if they are like me, they have a tank full of semen that was never used completely when purchased in 10 straw increments.  I have no argument with the marketing strategy, though.  Compared with some of the arrangements on bulls sold that haven't even been shown, it's a good buy.  The only one of those deals I got in on, so far, was CF Primo and that worked out okay.

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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2014, 01:40:18 PM »
I have been involved with the following Louisville ,Denver,and or National Champion Bulls or ones that sired winners,-and a number of homebred females that either won thier class at a national show-or was an All American mention _Deertrail awesome, Echodale Topdraft,Deertrail T-Bone,UB Max Max,Studley, Ub Dtr Junior Walker,Proud Augustus, Abertees Awesome,LGS Jackson,UbDMCC Panana Red, Ub DMCC Top Fuel,Ub Dmcc Cold Shot etc. List the bulls that you have produced outside of the salebarn CHUMP lol O0
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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2014, 01:53:49 PM »
Mark,    Actually I look at the price of the semen share on Cabrera as VERY responsible.  50 straws for $2000.00 is $40.00 per straw.  The semen that sold on the Summit sale was way higher then that.  I will be splitting a share with Hi-View Shorthorns in Wisconsin.  I plan to give 2 straws of Cabrera with the good DF Waco heifer I am selling at the Iowa Beef Expo.   I have 4 heifers to breed plus one first calf heifer I will breed and sell in the Family Legacy sale this fall.  Just breeding these I have use 8-10 straws that only leave me 15 or so to use yet this year or next year.  With only 25-30 cows I still will have my share used up pretty quick.
 So as a small breeder I consider it a good buy, especially considering what Cabrera has to offer the breed.


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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2014, 03:12:53 PM »
That's a good deal if you can split shares.  It wasn't allowed in the rules for most of the bulls I've been interested in over the past few years.  I would be more inclined to spend $400 on 10 straws as opposed to $2,000 for 50, but that's just me.  After using so many bulls over the past 50 years that didn't work, I'm a little more reluctant to jump in with both feet than I used to be. 

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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2014, 04:12:28 PM »
That's a good deal if you can split shares.  It wasn't allowed in the rules for most of the bulls I've been interested in over the past few years.  I would be more inclined to spend $400 on 10 straws as opposed to $2,000 for 50, but that's just me.  After using so many bulls over the past 50 years that didn't work, I'm a little more reluctant to jump in with both feet than I used to be.

As another small breeder, just getting into the breed, I completely agree with this.  Sure, I would try 10 straws, but 50?  No way.  Especially on an unproven bull!  I think that by only offering a sale of a minimum of 50 straws, you are excluding a large part of your market. JMO.

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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2014, 05:04:23 PM »
It'd be tough to be exclusive with out excluding, don't you think?

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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2014, 07:49:11 PM »
Maybe thats why this "exclusive" breed has so few numbers-purebred or otherwise O0

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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2014, 09:22:03 PM »
I can see both sides of this discussion. A few years ago, we made a decision to only sell semen from our AI sires in multiples of 5 straws. The reason we did this, was mainly to insure that the semen quality would have  a better chance of not being compromised in the handling process of less than 5 straws. It is easy for anyone to pluck a goblet with 5 straws in it off a cane but when you have to pull individual straws out and place them on another cane, there is a higher risk of damage. This idea was highly recommended to me by two of the major studs that I was dealing with, so I decided to follow their advice as it did make some sense to me. I could not believe the number of inquiries I received after this from people who wanted 2 or 3 straws. I remember having one person call and order 4 straws and when I told them I preferred to sell the semen in volumes of a minimum of 5 straws, I was told they did not need 5 straws so they would buy semen from some other bull. I guess I can't figure people like this out.
Personally, having the opportunity to purchase 50 straws on a Reserve National Champion bull for $2000, is a very attractive opportunity. But that is just how I look at things like this. Obviously, he is one of the better bulls in the breed and to me, this is a most reasonable offer to share in his genetics. Consider what it would cost you to purchase a bull of this quality to breed your cows? I expect it might be far more than $2000. 

I started to sell semen from our bulls in the late 60s. 46 years ago, we priced 3 of our herd bulls at $35 per dose, and I do not ever remember having anyone question that it was too high priced. We had several reasonably small breeders purchase 20-30 straws at a time. We sold far more semen in these days that we ever do today. It was quite common in those days to be able to purchase a good herd bull and sell far more than enough semen in the first year, to pay for him. We purchased Ready Go at the then record price of $5400 at the 1973 Polled Congress in Louisville, KY and by the time we had his first calf born the next spring, we had already surpassed $30,000 in semen sales.46 years later we are still selling semen from him every year, and we have surpassed $140,000 in total sales since he was purchased. I can't quite figure out why no one would question $35 semen over 40 years ago, and yet today lots of people scream like heck that we are trying to rape them at this price. If you consider the value of a 1973 dollar today, $35 in 1973 is equivalent to asking $184.21 per straw today. We purchased many bulls for pretty good dollars back in that era, and semen sales usually paid for them easily.

I understand that we live in " different" times today. Maybe I am just getting too old, but I certainly preferred the good old times of years gone by, to some of the things I see happening today in regards to people trying to advance their cattle and accepting value for their dollars spent.
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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2014, 10:11:47 PM »
Congrats to you and everyone involved! It's nice to see a bull like this get recognized. The preliminary epd's are impressive for sure. Of course it takes a few years for a bull to prove himself but he has a good start for sure. As far as the argument about the pricing of the semen. I don't have any problem with the packages. If you can make the money from it then I say do it. There are plenty of bulls available that are very high quality for a lot less money. I don't think it's anything to complain about as if the best bulls are being kept from people. It's not the case...

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Re: Little Cedar Cabrera Res. National Champion Shorthorn Bull
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2014, 10:36:59 PM »
I have no horse in this race but my opinion will always be the same. Seedstock breeders that have a bull good enough to sell semen on should sell it however they can. To whoever they can. Let the chips fall where they may. If he's a good bull he will prove it over a much wider base of cows. Good and bad cows. His numbers may drop a little because he's been bred to every cow walking. Who cares. This breed needs new outcross blood in the worst way. It also needs new breeders who don't want bushwhacked and blow darted.

 

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