Lone Star Sale - WHR Shorthorns

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Mitch

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I am not going to make it.  Sure  wish I could.    I really like the Waco calves.
 

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Great set of cattle this year. There really is a lot of them that i would love to have at our place. I picked out a few lots that i liked.
 

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Yea, I really like the lot 12. But then again I'm kinda partial to paints.  Not going this year, but went a few years ago and found out real quick I have good taste WOW!!

Mitch said:
I am not going to make it.   Sure  wish I could.     I really like the Waco calves.
 

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We will be making our annual trip to Texas again this year.  Usually, we like to get away to see the green grass, etc., but this year, all I have to do is look out the window at home.  What a great early spring!  We'll have the trailer, so if anything needs to come north, let me know.  I'm real cheap if I like you!  The grandkids confiscated the DVD, they've watched it at least 10 times.  They picked out 55A.  They haven't let me watch the video yet, so I don't know which ones I'll like.
 

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Redwine Cattle said:
I like the lot 57 Bloodstone cow. What are your thoughts on her?

She was one one of the better looking females.  Id like to see her waco bull calf at side too.  Shes also bred back to Waco! 

The Chandler Group sure would like to take home that lot 16 bull calf. Sharp!


As far as the heifers posted above... how could they same person like that second white heifer and also like the top one.  If I had to keep her, I personally wouldn't give 500bucks for that top white heifer.  Strait and shallow is all I see.  The bottom heifer august pride x somethin is very nice!
 

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As far as the heifers posted above... how could they same person like that second white heifer and also like the top one.  If I had to keep her, I personally wouldn't give 500bucks for that top white heifer.  Strait and shallow is all I see.  The bottom heifer august pride x somethin is very nice!
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lot11 The reason i like the first white heifer's dam is because she is a full sister to WHR Sonny 8114, yep hes kind of a big deal. Plain and simple this is a donor quality female from a breeding standpoint, maybe her calf is not the soggiest calf yet but i def see a bright future for that heifer.

lot31 The second one is a freak, she has got it all 4D double vision, CF Trump, Augusta Pride 3127, and the WHR 3R52. Plus it doesn't hurt that she looks like a tank, just enough clubby genetics to make something special. I have more of an issue with this heifer than the first, normally i wouldn't want to get any Double Vision or Double Stuff on my shorties but i guess im coming around to the idea.
 

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OLD WORLD SHORTIE said:
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  donor quality female from a breeding standpoint,

From a breeding standpoint!?!? Wth does that mean??  How about from a proven production or quality standpoint?  This is the type of mentality that has bastardized the shorthorn breed. 
 

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-XBAR- said:
OLD WORLD SHORTIE said:
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  donor quality female from a breeding standpoint,

From a breeding standpoint!?!? Wth does that mean??  How about from a proven production or quality standpoint?  This is the type of mentality that has bastardized the shorthorn breed. 

I'm pretty sure you are proving his point. You ask how about proven production? Sonny 8114, in the shorthorn breed I'm not sure how much more proven you can get?! Especially seeing how we are talking about a young calf, the only production standpoint you can go on are their parents. Quality standpoint? Come on, can you honestly say that heifer at 5-8 months old is poor quality? Really?
 

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To me by looking at the video and catalog the best heifers in the sale is going to be lot 30 a,b,c are all good as well as 22A. The lot 55 is a really nice young heifer. I am sure there will be some good buys in this sale just a matter of trying to pick her out.  good luck to everyone who goes or gets something bought.
 

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-XBAR- said:
OLD WORLD SHORTIE said:
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 donor quality female from a breeding standpoint,

From a breeding standpoint!?!? Wth does that mean??  How about from a proven production or quality standpoint?  This is the type of mentality that has bastardized the shorthorn breed.  ??? <beer>
Okay, i like the white calf although if you look at my original post i posted the info for lot 11, a 2004 proven production donor as you can see in her progeny in lot 11a and 11b her calves out of WHR Ft. Worth. I also posted you a picture of her calf out Ja Dazzle from the 2008 sale, maybe you will like her.
But hey to each his own and for me from a breeding standpoint it pretty much means what you want it to mean and to me its important to have Trump in their bloodlines. Weird how i would like WHR cattle huh what with all that Trump . But when you break it down to genetics i would love to own any animal out the WHR Rodeo Cumberland 3R52. Since there is no way i can own her and seeing as how she is a proven production female so why would i like her Trump daughter as a proven donor. I see how these bloodlines are doing very well for other programs. So why would i not want to have the same genetics in my herd. Really a nice set of cattle  from a great group of people.  
 

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We were going to go, but seeing as we have all been off a lot lately for shows, and most of us around here are having to work a lot of weekends lately.  That weekend happened to be the best for most of us to take off, however since we know we are tryin to find steers this yr, and arent sure if we are adding another heifer or not at this point we have decided to use that weekend to go and look at some steers, so we most likely wont make it. But we do hope to get to the State Shorthorn sale in April.

As far as the above, that lot 11A is fairly good in my opinion.  I dont think she is overly straight in the videos, though I can see where you gather that in the photo.  I think she is very tight and VERY green, but she is also one of the youngest in the sale and VERY young if I remember correctly, so technically you would expect them to be that way at this point.  I have seen past calves out of that cow, and I think she has more than proven herself.  You cant make that assumption on one calf, but I dont think this calf even makes you jump to that conclusion.  I will tell you that front end really made the 11a jump out at me was that front end...cant ask for em to be any cleaner fronted or feminine than that.

Overall I thought there were a lot of really  nice lots in the sale.
 

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Redwine Cattle said:
-XBAR- said:
OLD WORLD SHORTIE said:
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  donor quality female from a breeding standpoint,

From a breeding standpoint!?!? Wth does that mean??  How about from a proven production or quality standpoint?  This is the type of mentality that has bastardized the shorthorn breed. 

I'm pretty sure you are proving his point. You ask how about proven production? Sonny 8114, in the shorthorn breed I'm not sure how much more proven you can get?! Especially seeing how we are talking about a young calf, the only production standpoint you can go on are their parents. Quality standpoint? Come on, can you honestly say that heifer at 5-8 months old is poor quality? Really?
No you further proved my point. Both of you,by your replys, are under the impression that just because an individuals pedigree is great that ALL of their offspring will be.. 

And again, I don't speak in terms of "donor quality" when talking about a 10mnth old calf.  That top calf doesn't have any of the characteristics I  associate with a function beef cattle characteristics.  The bottom white heifer Ide take a hundred of.

I like lots #3,6a,11b,12 for sure, SIXTEEN,21,31,the dam of lot 39,55a,57,62a68,
 

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-XBAR- said:
Redwine Cattle said:
I like the lot 57 Bloodstone cow. What are your thoughts on her?

She was one one of the better looking females.  Id like to see her waco bull calf at side too.  Shes also bred back to Waco! 

The Chandler Group sure would like to take home that lot 16 bull calf. Sharp!


As far as the heifers posted above... how could they same person like that second white heifer and also like the top one.  If I had to keep her, I personally wouldn't give 500bucks for that top white heifer.  Strait and shallow is all I see.  The bottom heifer august pride x somethin is very nice!
Another thing to consider when looking at these two heifers is the massive age difference.  The second heifer is over a year old in the picture, while the lot 11A is only 6 months. 6 months of show feed, and you would be surprised how much the young heifer will change.  It would be an easier debate if they were pictured at the same age.
 

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I think there was some miss in the understanding of what he was saying also.  He wasnt saying that 11A was he greatest lot in the sale.  He was saying he liked the damn(lot 11) as a donor buy.  I think conclusions are being drawn off that one calf, stop and remember that cow is 8 yrs old, so this isnt her only calf.  He wasnt making his decision based solely on that calf or on solely on the pedigree.  He was making his decision based on the fact that the cow comes from a tremendous cow family, has a pedigree packed with proven producers, and the cow has proven herself in her previous calves.  I dont think this white heifer is by any means one of her better calves.  But like others, I think you are missing a lot of potential in that white heifer.  She is just 6 months old, so she is just at weanin age for most of us.  We dont know if she had been put on feed or simply pulled off mama and clipped.  That heifer has the pieces to develop very very nicely when she is put on full feed.  Her biggest issue at this point is being very very green, we all know that doesnt change until they have been on feed.  The heifer you are trying to compare her to is more than twice her age and has been on feed for a long time.  So yes she is longer, deeper, bigger middled...she has had the feed to do it for her.
If past scenarios hold true, I think a lot of people will miss this white heifer because she is so green.  Someone will have a good chance at getting her fairly cheap, and if they take her home and feed her right they will have a very nice calf on their hands.
I think its very unfair to accuse an honest breeder of making decisions that "bastardize" the breed, when in all reality he is making very sound decisions.  He is chosing a donor based not solely on her pedigree or how she looks, but on how the 8 yr old cow has produced in what I guess we all will assume has been at least 5 or 6 calves assuming she hasnt been flushed before.  I think that is much better than preaching how much better it would be to pick a yearlin that hasnt even had her first calf yet, sure she is pretty but you have no clue if that heifer will produce or not yet.
 

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twistedhshowstock said:
I think there was some miss in the understanding of what he was saying also.  He wasnt saying that 11A was he greatest lot in the sale.  He was saying he liked the damn(lot 11) as a donor buy.  I think conclusions are being drawn off that one calf, stop and remember that cow is 8 yrs old, so this isnt her only calf.  He wasnt making his decision based solely on that calf or on solely on the pedigree.  He was making his decision based on the fact that the cow comes from a tremendous cow family, has a pedigree packed with proven producers, and the cow has proven herself in her previous calves.  I dont think this white heifer is by any means one of her better calves.  But like others, I think you are missing a lot of potential in that white heifer.  She is just 6 months old, so she is just at weanin age for most of us.  We dont know if she had been put on feed or simply pulled off mama and clipped.  That heifer has the pieces to develop very very nicely when she is put on full feed.  Her biggest issue at this point is being very very green, we all know that doesnt change until they have been on feed.  The heifer you are trying to compare her to is more than twice her age and has been on feed for a long time.  So yes she is longer, deeper, bigger middled...she has had the feed to do it for her.
If past scenarios hold true, I think a lot of people will miss this white heifer because she is so green.  Someone will have a good chance at getting her fairly cheap, and if they take her home and feed her right they will have a very nice calf on their hands.
I think its very unfair to accuse an honest breeder of making decisions that "bastardize" the breed, when in all reality he is making very sound decisions.  He is chosing a donor based not solely on her pedigree or how she looks, but on how the 8 yr old cow has produced in what I guess we all will assume has been at least 5 or 6 calves assuming she hasnt been flushed before.  I think that is much better than preaching how much better it would be to pick a yearlin that hasnt even had her first calf yet, sure she is pretty but you have no clue if that heifer will produce or not yet.
My comments were not geared at the dam of lot 11a but 11a herself.  I thought the implication was that 11a was "donor quality" solely because of her pedigree.  Sorry for the misunderstanding. And I don't know about most people, but my heifers are the soggiest they will be their entire life the day they are weaned so I don't quite understand the "green" factor. 
 
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