LT RIO BRAVO GRANDSON
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Freddy
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cowboy_nyk
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That's a good looking bull, Freddy. Lots of breed character for sure.
Funny story, our family had purebred Charolais for 25 years. We gave up on the purebreds about 15 years ago. Our best cows at that time were all Wyoming Wind or Cigars. Funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Only reason we jumped ship was that it was impossible to sell a white bull up here for awhile. Tans/reds were acceptable but whites were unwanted. We still have a few cows and keep a bull or two for our own use. I'll always have a soft spot for the whites.
Funny story, our family had purebred Charolais for 25 years. We gave up on the purebreds about 15 years ago. Our best cows at that time were all Wyoming Wind or Cigars. Funny how the more things change, the more they stay the same.
Only reason we jumped ship was that it was impossible to sell a white bull up here for awhile. Tans/reds were acceptable but whites were unwanted. We still have a few cows and keep a bull or two for our own use. I'll always have a soft spot for the whites.
Warrior10
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Dang Jamie, that's a real nice bull! Best of luck at the Classic this week as well.
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A really nice bull!!
Freddy
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A picture of the mother of this bull ,if you are wanting to use a bull that is moderate with plenty of guts ,big solid & correct footed and structure ,plenty of heart girth with great disposition...
Had a 85 semen score ,we are definitely collecting this bull..... This Charolais bull is not your typical Terminal SIRE raised in the CHAROLAIS ....
Had a 85 semen score ,we are definitely collecting this bull..... This Charolais bull is not your typical Terminal SIRE raised in the CHAROLAIS ....
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My biggest gripe is the breed trying to be a terminal breed ,and to survive that isn't going to work ...Some of the breed needs to be different and excel in calving ease and maternal ,and good enough that people can rely on it .....Look how much semen sold every year for heifers to calve ,and the Charolais set's there and preaches their growth and carcass and let's these other opportunity's get away ....The Limmi's right now are using there bulls on Jersy's in dairy's and to beat all marketing the beef through CAB .... We need something other than growth and big
rib eye's ...
rib eye's ...
I think you are right, if we focus only on big rib eye and growth we loose calving ease and end up with to much frame and mature weight. In my book calving ease must be first and after you keep the ones who grows wells. Milk is important but not too much.
We need a new calving ease bull each 2 years if we don't want to make line breeding, that's something the A.I. industry should work on more.
If we want to be different as Charolais breeder maybe we should thing lean meat and tenderness. My butcher here don't like to pay for fat and the consumption is more and more in form of ground beef.
We need a new calving ease bull each 2 years if we don't want to make line breeding, that's something the A.I. industry should work on more.
If we want to be different as Charolais breeder maybe we should thing lean meat and tenderness. My butcher here don't like to pay for fat and the consumption is more and more in form of ground beef.
The Charolais breed judging by the most popular bloodlines has plenty of maternal power. MARC data shows this. The breed has become much easier to live with fom a calving ease and maternal traits point of view. Check out the dams of most of the herd bulls in use in North America.
As far s calving ease is concerned we have progressed far beyond selecting for pure calving ease. Instead of guys looking for the easiest calving bull they can find they are now looking for the optimal combination of traits for their situation. For many people with big heifers not always automatically going to a negative birth weight EPD bull. many commercial breeders are finding that a bull with a 0 to +1 BWT EPD calves just as easy in their situation as a -3.0 BWT EPD bull.
The Charolais breed has a big tool box to select for calving ease. The breed has many unrelated dedicated heifer bulls (negative BWT EPDs and known easy calving) that are not well promoted and as a consequence the AI studs don't want to market their semen. For example checkout what Turnbull has in their next bull sale in Pincher Creek: http://issuu.com/pdrneepawa/docs/high_country_2014?e=2717029/6446244 The Pleasant Dawn MVP bull is as good as any calving ease bull in the AI catalogs today. Other peole have simiar easy calving full french, and other domestic purebreds not related to most of what is popular today.
Charo,
What are you using for calving ease bulls in Quebec?
As far s calving ease is concerned we have progressed far beyond selecting for pure calving ease. Instead of guys looking for the easiest calving bull they can find they are now looking for the optimal combination of traits for their situation. For many people with big heifers not always automatically going to a negative birth weight EPD bull. many commercial breeders are finding that a bull with a 0 to +1 BWT EPD calves just as easy in their situation as a -3.0 BWT EPD bull.
The Charolais breed has a big tool box to select for calving ease. The breed has many unrelated dedicated heifer bulls (negative BWT EPDs and known easy calving) that are not well promoted and as a consequence the AI studs don't want to market their semen. For example checkout what Turnbull has in their next bull sale in Pincher Creek: http://issuu.com/pdrneepawa/docs/high_country_2014?e=2717029/6446244 The Pleasant Dawn MVP bull is as good as any calving ease bull in the AI catalogs today. Other peole have simiar easy calving full french, and other domestic purebreds not related to most of what is popular today.
Charo,
What are you using for calving ease bulls in Quebec?
Hi Mark H, for 6 years we used a Lt Unlimited ease 9108 son, GGD 439P, with a BW of -10.(first picture). After that we raised a son with more growth (second picture) GGD 9491W. Now he's too big, a son of him with a No Doubt dam will take his place.
Each year we AI in the first 2 weeks some heifers and work with 2 bulls after (around 60 heifers). We used those past years Bluegrass, Western Spur, Shelco Made Easy 512R. We have a good calf this year from Wr Wrangler W601 X Virgil, if he grow well the job is for him. We like to raise our heifer bull, we know how he will work here. Calving in January and Febuary in cold barns, free choise hay so we can have big calves. Average 100lbs on all 130 calves each year. On cows this year we have calves from Turton, Made Easy, Pleasant Dawn Spawn 765, All State, Roundup, a Shelco Made Easy son from Stauffer and a Silverstream Performer son from Harvie Ranching.
Each year we AI in the first 2 weeks some heifers and work with 2 bulls after (around 60 heifers). We used those past years Bluegrass, Western Spur, Shelco Made Easy 512R. We have a good calf this year from Wr Wrangler W601 X Virgil, if he grow well the job is for him. We like to raise our heifer bull, we know how he will work here. Calving in January and Febuary in cold barns, free choise hay so we can have big calves. Average 100lbs on all 130 calves each year. On cows this year we have calves from Turton, Made Easy, Pleasant Dawn Spawn 765, All State, Roundup, a Shelco Made Easy son from Stauffer and a Silverstream Performer son from Harvie Ranching.
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I didn't realize that some one would still be using Shelco Made Easy. That bull has a classic Central Alberta Pedrigree being out of Moores legacy and Circle Cee cow. He had decent growth and a decent claving numbers. How did he work for you? haave considered using LT Ledger as a heifer bull? Alo have you considered any other bluegrass sons?
I have no doubt that WR wrangler W601 would cross well with a percentage French cow (SC Virgil?). The owners insist in calling him a calving ease bull on Firewater daughters in my opinion he is a performance spread bull out of bona fide calving ease parentage. Wrangler has the potential to much more than a heifer bull. It would be insteresting to see what your calf out of him looks like.
Lastly what do you think of the bulls on offer at Ferme Gagnon by Ferme Palerme? They have a Virgil son that looks nice.
I have no doubt that WR wrangler W601 would cross well with a percentage French cow (SC Virgil?). The owners insist in calling him a calving ease bull on Firewater daughters in my opinion he is a performance spread bull out of bona fide calving ease parentage. Wrangler has the potential to much more than a heifer bull. It would be insteresting to see what your calf out of him looks like.
Lastly what do you think of the bulls on offer at Ferme Gagnon by Ferme Palerme? They have a Virgil son that looks nice.
We have great results with Made Easy calves. First picture is the reserve champion at the 2012 National show held in quebec Dubuc Zenith 202Z. We sold him to Future Farms Alberta.
The second picture is a Made easy X No Doubt, near 1000 pounds born 7 january 2013 at 92 pounds. She finish first in her class of 13. We win the reserve at that show with a Sparrows Cossack cow and a Made easy calf, she was beaten by Wood River Princess 13Y from Oattes Charolais.
We sold our bulls private treaty and the first one we sold this year is a Made Easy X RIO BRAVO (don't want to hijack the subject!)
We have 4 cows from Bluegrass and kept a son, never use Ledger maybe in the future. We have 8 calves from Wr Wrangler W601, they growing well until now. We used some french bull ,Virgil Sc, Unico Sc, Marquis Cr, we like 1/4 french in our cows blood but have nearly no market for horned bull.
Ferme Palerme Virgil son look good, hope for them they make a good sale
The second picture is a Made easy X No Doubt, near 1000 pounds born 7 january 2013 at 92 pounds. She finish first in her class of 13. We win the reserve at that show with a Sparrows Cossack cow and a Made easy calf, she was beaten by Wood River Princess 13Y from Oattes Charolais.
We sold our bulls private treaty and the first one we sold this year is a Made Easy X RIO BRAVO (don't want to hijack the subject!)
We have 4 cows from Bluegrass and kept a son, never use Ledger maybe in the future. We have 8 calves from Wr Wrangler W601, they growing well until now. We used some french bull ,Virgil Sc, Unico Sc, Marquis Cr, we like 1/4 french in our cows blood but have nearly no market for horned bull.
Ferme Palerme Virgil son look good, hope for them they make a good sale
