Mandalong Specials (and Square Meaters too!)

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Alta Genetics imported a Mandalong Special bull several years ago and I remember him as being a very impressive beef bull. He looked much like the bull you have pictured. I have not heard of anyone in North America breeding Specials but I think there would be a place for them.

 

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mark tenenbaum said:
Not to be unimformed-what are they-Charolais Shorthorn? They sure are stout, remind me some of Canadian cattle crossed with something-guts and mass and rib. O0

They were developed in 1972 by Rick Pisaturo, a breeder of SHorthorn, Charolais and Chianina. They're a mix of four breeds: Brahman, Shorthorn, British White and Chianina.
Brahman to produce a small calf and a hardy beast. Shorthorn to produce a carcase that with the infusion of Charolais blood would result in a well muscled carcase with an adequate fat cover, therefore a well balanced carcase. The British Whites being a dual-purpose breed, would introduce better milking ability yet, hardness and a good carcase in its own right. The Chianina to maintain the size after criss-crossing was over and the four generations stability was obtained.

The composition is as follows:
62.50% Continental Breed
18.75% British Breeds
18.75% Bos Indicus
 

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Very cool. when I found British Whites  I think that they are basically white shorthorns,without the white hiefer disease-unless they are white parks ?  Chis did well with shorthorns ( HS Rodeo Drive would be an example-and a very gentile animal-saw him at Cates) as well as Brahmans-(Gerts,beefmasters) those cattle look very french to me-without the brahma sheath and leather,and look like they pack the pounds,how big are they? O0
 

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I'm trying to find some figures, they are big cattle.

Up to 3.63kg (8lb) per day weight gains have been recorded and yields up to 66.22%.

ETA- "bulls exceed 1000kg demonstrating the breed’s outstanding growth rate, as calves are born weighing an average of 30kg"
 

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thunderdownunder said:
I'm trying to find some figures, they are big cattle.

Up to 3.63kg (8lb) per day weight gains have been recorded and yields up to 66.22%.

ETA- "bulls exceed 1000kg demonstrating the breed’s outstanding growth rate, as calves are born weighing an average of 30kg"
That's exceed 2200lb and average 66 lbs at birth!
What do Brahman weigh at birth if they were used to reduce BW, it obviously worked.
 

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The Mandalong Special bull that Alta had weighed over 2700 lbs at maturity in the stud and he was promoted as a calving ease sire. I only knew a couple people who used this bull but they both said that there was probably better choices for heifers but they were very impressed with the vigour and calving ease from their cows. The Special calves really excelled in the feedlot as well.
 

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What can you tell us about Square Meaters? You had mentioned that Rick had also developed them. I think you said they were smaller.
 

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Okotoks said:
What can you tell us about Square Meaters? You had mentioned that Rick had also developed them. I think you said they were smaller.

The Square Meaters are a miniature Murray Grey. Quite literally, they're supposed to be about a 'metre square' in shape (though they don't usually conform to this!). They do have size restrictions though.

From the Square Meaters association: "Ironically a breeder who had helped drive that ‘bigger is better’ mantra, Rick Pisaturo, would also be one of the first people to see flaws in the sizing up of the herd. In the early 1990's Mr Pisaturo determined that a market existed for a specific type of beef animal – and specifically a breed that was fast growing and well muscled but very importantly early maturing. By the meticulous selection of older style pre-1970’s Grey bulls and females he produced the world’s first Square Meaters calves at his Mandalong Stud in 1994."

"Characteristically a mature Square Meaters female will weigh around 450 kgs and be around 125 cms tall at the shoulder. She will be silver to grey in colour and polled, have a deep well muscled body and will produce her first calf at around 2 years of age with no calving difficulties. She will have a good udder and a plentiful milk supply. Her calves will be born small but show explosive early growth to weigh between 250 and 300 kgs at weaning. From only a few weeks of age they will exhibit a characteristic ‘rounded bum’.

Mature bulls weigh around 800 kgs and stand around 130 cm tall. He will have a deep, long, thick and muscular body on relatively short legs. Despite this shortness of leg Square Meaters bulls can easily serve larger frame females in commercial crossbreeding situations. Mated to females of any breed he will produce progeny with lower frame scores and increased muscling which will be able to be finished to market specifications at a relatively young age. He will also genetically dehorn his calves and give them calmer natures which make them easier to handle.

The Square Meaters Cattle Association has a height restriction on the registering of bulls and females. At 12 months of age bulls cannot be less than 103cm and not more than 113 cm at the shoulder. Only females which measure between 100 and 110 cm at the shoulder can be registered as “A” grades. This regulation is aimed at providing a safety net against animals becoming too small or regressing back to taller, slower maturing characteristics "



When I visited with Rick recently, I mentioned all of the pictures of his cattle on the walls of his office. He had a pic of one of his first Square Meaters bulls.... honestly, it looked like a Murray Grey crossed with a Belgian Blue or some other extreme muscled animal... it had that much butt to it.
 

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I'll post some pics of Square Meaters too..
 

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Some cows and steers...
 

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The pictures of the Square Meaters look very similar to many of the Murray Grey cattle that were originally imported into Canada. Speaking of the Murray Grey breed, how much impact are they having in the land of Oz. I have often thought that the main problem this breed had in grabbing market share and popularity in this country was the time in which they came here, Like most things in life, timing is sometimes everything, and they were imported when the beef industry was still chasing the biggest exotic breeds from Europe.

I will always remember a neighbor's Murray Grey herd. I helped him wean and weigh his calves on year, and I was totally impressed. The cows were absolute tanks and the calves were most uniform. I remember the set of bull calves averaged 860 lbs in mid October and were February and March born. The heifers averaged about 770 lbs. I don't think I have ever seen a more uniform set of calves, and they had tremendous thickness and body mass and were extremely gentle. These calves were so fat they probably could have graded on the rail at weaning. The cows had perfect udders and were in great shape as well.

A few years later, he sold his Murray Grey herd, as he had problems marketing the calves at good prices. I always thought that this herd being dispersed, mainly to commercial producers was a travesty.
 

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We had a LOCAL, that was very into the Murray Grey breed.  The twin girls were part of the breed association, and into the whole works...  I have not heard, nor seen them since my days of county fairing, and leaving for college...  That was 4 years ago. 
 

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Thanks for posting these 2 breeds of cattle. They both look very good. The pictures of the grey cows/calves and steers are great.
 

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I didn't do the conversion on the how tall they are, but looking at the photos- the angle the halter is held and such- they aren't very tall cattle.  Plenty impressive body type, but give me that in a larger frame size and I'm interested.
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
Very cool. when I found British Whites  I think that they are basically white shorthorns,without the white hiefer disease-unless they are white parks ?  Chis did well with shorthorns ( HS Rodeo Drive would be an example-and a very gentile animal-saw him at Cates) as well as Brahmans-(Gerts,beefmasters) those cattle look very french to me-without the brahma sheath and leather,and look like they pack the pounds,how big are they? O0
White Parks, British Whites, Speckle Parks, aren't they basically the same? My Dad had a couple in his herd. Very good mamas, although kinda "spirited" after calving.

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JIT- As I said, they're merely a smaller version of the Murray Grey. they are, however, supposed to exhibit a greater degree of muscling. I wish I could find a pic of the bull I saw at Rick's.
I've seen some good MGs, but their numbers aren't huge here. Supposedly though, their membership is the same size as the Shorthorns. My biggest beef with MGs is their temperament.
 

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There our still a number of MG herds down south in the colder grass country. One of the biggest problems the breed is running into is a limited gene pool. MG is allowing the use of angus bulls and in three generations becoming pure and some breeders are tying to bred black MG and market them as a quite alternative to angus.  ??? With gentics much the same I can not see the point. In the eighties there was a lot of speculation the charolais was put in to the breed by some breeders which IMO was probably right as the cattle changed and muscled up and grew. While trying to compete with angus it has always been hard to buy large lines of consistant cattle and they really have been the poor cousin of the angus.
 

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I prefer the Square Meater breed over the "Jumbo Specials". I just dont have a customer currently seeking a mature wt of a  2700  lb bull  to breed or squash a 12-1400 lb female?

I appreciate the updates.
 

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