Before everyone flies off the handle and blames the breed associations for sticking their head in the sand, please remember they have to have absolute proof before they do anything. I personally know of 2 instances where breed associations made decisions such as pulling papers, disqualifying an animal from a show, etc., where they ended up getting sued for a lot of money, and lost. One occurence cost an entire junior board big time dollars. Individually. It cost these kids a lot of money even after it was proven the calf in question was not a purebred. As for the TH issue, the Association just couldn't say such and such a bull threw deformed calves without indisputible evidence. The breeder of the animal with a misrepresented pedigree usually knows it. The breeder that has deformed calves usually knows about it. It is their responsiblity, not the association's, to do things right. Unfortunately, not everybody plays fair. Then, the association can step in when, and only when, they have absolute proof.
MONTIE SOULES HIRED AS SHORTHORN EXECUTIVE SECRETARY/CEO
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That is a cop out statement. For instance when perfection was getting thrown out of the herefod assoc. The big breeders that were breed heavily to him lobbied to have the calves keep papers! I actually know one of the prominent people at the the time that raised holy hell to have it done! Hunsley knew rodeo Drive was wrong at the time!
Soules had worked for that farm and bought in to magic or stick, after moving down the road! I do believe at one time he worked for or was in partnership with apple creek farms on one of the bulls mentioned, if not he worked for the people that bought in on he advise
Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR
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Dear friends, this matter is very interest and hardy to get an end. Means like discuss the angels sex or who born first the egg or the chicken.
We all know that some high staff directors show interest on business and will try get the best protion for them. in all breed associations wish to make clear.
But regarding fake pedigrees and same with carriers disease bulls or cows that are fraud by your commercial value and by this are potential transmissors for entire breed causing harm to honest breeders must to be somehow punished, by other hand, this will never get an end.
I don't know the best way to punish these guys, perhaps taking off and baning the fake animals and their progeny. Is a strong and powerfull way to punish that will cause trouble for other people, yes, but will do a good example for these ones that will try think on a new fraud.
ASA is a huge association and many bulls are wide spread used, I know, but I'm sure that some fraudulent guy will think weel before try this as your business will fall out and your name as breeder will to be ruined. Look the Hoyt trial case, I suppose that this kind of fraud get a finnish!
We all know that some high staff directors show interest on business and will try get the best protion for them. in all breed associations wish to make clear.
But regarding fake pedigrees and same with carriers disease bulls or cows that are fraud by your commercial value and by this are potential transmissors for entire breed causing harm to honest breeders must to be somehow punished, by other hand, this will never get an end.
I don't know the best way to punish these guys, perhaps taking off and baning the fake animals and their progeny. Is a strong and powerfull way to punish that will cause trouble for other people, yes, but will do a good example for these ones that will try think on a new fraud.
ASA is a huge association and many bulls are wide spread used, I know, but I'm sure that some fraudulent guy will think weel before try this as your business will fall out and your name as breeder will to be ruined. Look the Hoyt trial case, I suppose that this kind of fraud get a finnish!
I'm looking forward to Mr. Soules. Despite other infractions, I do miss the scientific research that was published by Doc Hunsley in the Shorthorn Country. I think we need more of that times about a thousand mixed with Mad Men esque marketing similar to what's going on in other breeds. If Soules can't publish the scientific papers that legitimatize Shorthorns, or come up w/ a gimmick to gain notoriety, I hope he hires someone who will. Shorthorns did compete in performance back the day but failed in commercial acceptability over time due to birthweight and hide color (due primarily to poor strategic marketing compared to the main competing breed in the late 70's and 80's). This is the first time I've seen the executive secretary referred to as CEO...good move. Based on revenue its a small time gig in the grand scheme of things, but the effect on posterity is enormous (at least to those who love the breed).
Doc
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GM said:
I noticed this also. I wonder will this change any of his responsibilities or his authority?
Also , I want to congratulate Aaron Hahn on his new job , I just hate to see the Association lose some people right now.
Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR
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Agree with Gary. People knows Shorthorn breed, now, need to know what breed have to offer for industry against past bad concepts. Data informing what vantages for breeders is primary.
Birthweight is a consequence of some famous bulls, this matter need to be assumed by technical staff and breeders that must show low birthweight bulls that will keep providing weight gain after weaning.
Now, regarding coat, don't know what think. I believe that roan is the Shorthorn coat, and marketinh need to be direct for this side. Not become one mopre black hided breed or red hided breed, following this way, we will to be more one imitator looking for a part of booty, without personal identity.
People must understand that hide color has no relationship with meat quality!!
Birthweight is a consequence of some famous bulls, this matter need to be assumed by technical staff and breeders that must show low birthweight bulls that will keep providing weight gain after weaning.
Now, regarding coat, don't know what think. I believe that roan is the Shorthorn coat, and marketinh need to be direct for this side. Not become one mopre black hided breed or red hided breed, following this way, we will to be more one imitator looking for a part of booty, without personal identity.
People must understand that hide color has no relationship with meat quality!!
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I have been away from home and therefore internet since 30 March. This is the most sorry thread I have ever seen on SP!
I can't believe that people can make the type of comments bandied about on this topic without first hearing the man's mission/vision statement on the direction of the breed as he sees it. He has obviously been appointed by the board, elected by the members!
Dredging up the flaws of the past does not set the man in a steady path, before he even starts!
I can't believe that people can make the type of comments bandied about on this topic without first hearing the man's mission/vision statement on the direction of the breed as he sees it. He has obviously been appointed by the board, elected by the members!
Dredging up the flaws of the past does not set the man in a steady path, before he even starts!
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EXACTLY! We fought the hide color bias for years in the Red Angus due to the propaganda put out by the Blacks and before Reds became 'popular'. In our experience, the Shorts have been a bit harder to maintain than the Reds but the result on the plate has not been that much different. And yes, we consume what we raise.Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR said:
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Shorthorn and Red Angus meat... I'd say one of the most consistent, great tasting beef in the world... <rock>loveRedcows said:
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Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR said:
Davis Shorthorns
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mark tenenbaum
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Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR said:
Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR
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mark tenenbaum said:
Mark, do you can please clear these mistaked pedigrees? Explaining who is sire/dam of who?
Thank you.
