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Title: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 18, 2007, 07:27:46 PM
Here's a new thread - actually it hit me when ELBEE (The Planet's Illustrious Historian) posted a picture ,,,,so here we go, name the Bull. Hints will be provided if necessary!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: sjcattleco on April 18, 2007, 08:03:22 PM
Shaver Bysantine
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 18, 2007, 08:34:37 PM
RIGHT BREED, WRONG BULL! (But good guess!) Here's Bysantin..who is older than the mystery bull  (cow).
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 18, 2007, 09:18:52 PM

This is just a guess, Cosic.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: ELBEE on April 18, 2007, 09:28:49 PM
Lordy girl, you sent us back into the archives. Angie says "Index", I say maybe "Enjoleur" or "Iplait". If he's of the next generation, I have no idea.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: aj on April 18, 2007, 10:22:45 PM
Just a guess.SDR Monument. :-\
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 18, 2007, 10:24:55 PM
ELBEE - I have always been kinda retro! Hey Telos how are you?
Hints -
Bysantin - born 1968 (before garybob!) in France; distributed by ABS; sired by Titan out of Serieuse

Mystery bull - born 1973 in England!

Questions answered gleefully

Have a picture of Cosic, Iplait, Enjoleur, and Index (the trick will be ramping up my scanning skills!) Good guesses....but he is still the Mystery Bul

ps aj another good guess but as George Burns said "no cigar"!l
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: deep on April 18, 2007, 10:41:30 PM
Is that bull's name Ramco something, and if it is I cheated.


           (dog)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 19, 2007, 04:40:50 AM
Denver Nugget?

Red (:))
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: sjcattleco on April 19, 2007, 07:22:46 AM
Red Holstein?  (lol)

Just kidding
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 19, 2007, 07:26:28 AM
Red Holstein?  (lol)

Just kidding

Love your sense of humor!!! Thanks, always need that!
Beautiful day, no rain last night. Guys are going to start hitting the fields again!

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 19, 2007, 07:46:54 AM
DL- I'm pulling in the big guns, I sent XXCC the picture. Figured I'd tease him with it!

Red (clapping)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 19, 2007, 09:06:25 AM
DL- I'm pulling in the big guns, I sent XXCC the picture. Figured I'd tease him with it!

Red (clapping)

xxcc can't play - I got the picture from him!
sjcc - good guess, I always want to blame the dairy bull!
Deep ya didn't cheat
keep those guesses comin'
(clapping) (clapping)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 19, 2007, 09:12:28 AM
No on Denver Nugget?

If not how about Paramount?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 19, 2007, 11:15:50 AM
No on Denver Nugget?

If not how about Paramount?

GO RED!!! NO TO DENVER NUGGET, BUT YES, THE MYSTERY BULL IS.......

PARAMOUNT

Born April 28, 1973 (almost his b-day)
Bred by RTR & MM Howard of Matching, Essex , England
Owner by Robert A young of Alberta
Sired by Eclate out of Estafette
US semen distributed by Curtiss Breeding, Cary, IL


Now did you guess or did you identify him from his silhouette??? (cow) (cow) (cow) (cow)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 19, 2007, 11:31:48 AM
Actually, I went through the AMMA's sire summary from way back when. Looked for fullbloods that were born in 1973. Yes, it's all agreed- Red needs a life! (clapping)
Thought Paramount was one of the best candidates!

Red (welcome)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 19, 2007, 12:42:27 PM
You Stinker!Just goes to show there is more than one way to be a Bovine CSI!  (clapping) (clapping) (clapping)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 19, 2007, 04:12:44 PM

Way to go RED!!!  He's a good lookin bull, too. That's the first time I've seen a picture of the ole boy. DL, thanks for showing us his profile. He sure was a photogenic rascal.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 19, 2007, 05:56:30 PM

Way to go RED!!!  He's a good lookin bull, too. That's the first time I've seen a picture of the ole boy. DL, thanks for showing us his profile. He sure was a photogenic rascal.


Just goes to show ya "All that is gold does not glitter..." with apologies to JRR Tolkien ( read the books, that's how old I am!)
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Post by: chambero on April 19, 2007, 07:06:09 PM
Must be a New York thing on Tolien.  My boss has named everyone of her dogs after Rings characters her whole life.  It wasn't until those movies came out that I knew where she got them from. 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 19, 2007, 08:09:40 PM
Whenever I read a good book (or in the case of JRR 4 good books) I never go see the movie - I have these images in my mind of what everyone and everything looks like and Hollywood just can't top them!

OK Here we go again - THIS BULL IS PHA FREE! Who is he (no red I will not give you a birth year....but if you ask a question I'll give you a hint!)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: gocanes719 on April 19, 2007, 08:31:00 PM
Polleroid O0
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 19, 2007, 08:50:34 PM

I agree with Gocanes 719.  I have a picture of him.
So he tested free? Interesting!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 19, 2007, 09:07:38 PM

I agree with Gocanes 719.  I have a picture of him.
So he tested free? Interesting!

YOU GOT IT! You guys are just too good!!
Now the name, does it refer to the Hurricanes as in Carolina?
(cow)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 19, 2007, 09:45:00 PM

Oh, by the way... Congratulations goes out to all that won the bet on Polleroid.  All those wheel barrels of Beefpaca poop will be FedExed to you within the next 24 hrs.. Enjoy!!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 19, 2007, 09:59:15 PM

Just learned wheel barrel is spelled wheelbarrow. Spell check didn't know it either. What can I say, other then I live in Texas.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: gocanes719 on April 19, 2007, 11:36:42 PM
Name refers to the University of Miami Hurricanes. I am a huge fan of UM football.  Bring on the next bull.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 20, 2007, 04:45:52 AM
I'm sure this one will be easy but I see how fast you can get it!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 20, 2007, 06:51:57 AM
Could it be the immortal one? CUNIA (cow)

ps gocanes - didn't know U of Miami was the Hurricanes - fits though weather wise, eh? Glad it wasn't for the Carolina hockey team!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 20, 2007, 07:02:07 AM
 (lol) Yea Cunia!!!
Another gift from the noble XXCC!

I knew it would be too easy but thought there might be a lot out there that had never seen his picture. He was actually a different bull compared to many of the fullbloods back then. Can see why his genetics still being used!
Can some of the Angus, Simi, Hereford people come up w/ some stumpers?

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: genes on April 20, 2007, 09:29:21 AM
Oh darn it...even I knew Cunia but you guys got here first.   ;D
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL! King of the Black Maines
Post by: OH Breeder on April 20, 2007, 05:16:07 PM
Take a guesss
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 20, 2007, 06:11:24 PM

Oh Breeder being the competitive soul I am... Well, it's Midas.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 20, 2007, 08:52:08 PM
Telos - you are quick! Now try this one!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 20, 2007, 09:40:29 PM


I don't have a clue, but he sure looks like another good bull!!!

Use to play around with Smithbuilt genetics and he appears to have some of his looks.

Knowing you, it's probably a very rare and expensive antique photo of Draft Pick, found in a small town in Wisconsin, taken from a slightly different angle then what we're use to seeing. (lol)

Why do you like to make it so difficult?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 20, 2007, 09:47:51 PM
This bull is a son of the bull you previously identified so quickly! I believed he lived in your state!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 21, 2007, 03:25:02 PM

Is Ferris Ranch Magic? I've only seen a different picture of him.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 21, 2007, 05:23:28 PM
NOPE - this is the only picture I have ever see of this bull...and it ain't great quality.....do you want another hint? He is PHAF
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 21, 2007, 06:54:02 PM

One more guess then I give up.  RSCC Magician? 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 21, 2007, 07:05:07 PM
NEVER GIVE UP -  I'll give you another hint - sired by Midas and the sire of a famous Maine bull....
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 21, 2007, 07:31:58 PM
 (pop) is it nor tex general
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 21, 2007, 09:27:36 PM
(pop) is it nor tex general

THREE STARS FOR THE FARM BOY!!! You got it - how did you know??

(dog) (dog) (dog)

we don't appear to have stars so you will have to take 3 leaping dogs!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 22, 2007, 07:01:29 AM
OK, these came from XXCC but he didn't tell me who they are.
Ones a bull the other a cow. Both foundation animals!

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 22, 2007, 07:35:14 AM

Don't know who they are (won't even guess), but they are the reason I like Maine-Anjou cattle. Great photos!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 22, 2007, 07:58:30 AM
Any chance the cow is CETTE-LA?

THE BULL IS COVINO III

I think that ol' xxcc needs to give us a few more hints ABOUT THE COW
Nice critters! Agree with you Telos!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 22, 2007, 09:11:37 AM
I SERIOUSLY JUST TOOK A GUESS (lol) (clapping) (cow) ;D FUNNY HUH!!!


darn good guess!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 22, 2007, 09:27:50 AM
well, xxcc joined our little party but he might be having server problems on his end. I'll see what he said because he didn't even give me any hints!

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 22, 2007, 09:31:34 AM
I could kick myself in the behind. Even with all the good hints, I still didn't figure it out.  Always wondered why Nor Tex General wasn't used more?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 22, 2007, 09:44:39 AM
THIS MAY BE TO EASY....OR MAYBE NOTC:\Documents and Settings\Owner.Julie\My Documents\My Pictures\my mistery buul.jpg
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 22, 2007, 10:03:21 AM

Spent half a day trying to find this old snap shot. Yes, before digital. Of course it it was at the bottom of everything and didn't know if I still had it.

DL, this one is for you, but all can play. I will even give a hint. He's a registered purebred Maine-Anjou and became well known. This picture was taken when the calf was six months old.

D:\Exxon Group\Calf Photo.jpg

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 22, 2007, 10:17:09 AM

Sorry Farmboy, didn't realize you were posting a picture, too. Wonder if both bulls are related? Two bulls to figure out at once!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 22, 2007, 10:19:58 AM
Any chance the cow is CETTE-LA?

THE BULL IS COVINO III

I think that ol' xxcc needs to give us a few more hints ABOUT THE COW
Nice critters! Agree with you Telos!


Yes DL- this is from XXCC!
The cow is Cette-La.  I got the picture from a Canadian breeder that owned Cette-La after she was out of production...as you may know, Cette-La had less than ten offspring.  She was the first flush in the Maine-Anjou breed.

The bull is Covino III in Denver in the yards in 1971. The gent in the cowboy hat, glasses and sideburns is Gary Greshmel, an early leader of the IMAA and AMAA.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 22, 2007, 11:55:22 AM
THIS MAY BE TO EASY....OR MAYBE NOTC:\Documents and Settings\Owner.Julie\My Documents\My Pictures\my mistery buul.jpg


POWER PLANT
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 22, 2007, 12:03:23 PM

Spent half a day trying to find this old snap shot. Yes, before digital. Of course it it was at the bottom of everything and didn't know if I still had it.

DL, this one is for you, but all can play. I will even give a hint. He's a registered purebred Maine-Anjou and became well known. This picture was taken when the calf was six months old.

D:\Exxon Group\Calf Photo.jpg



OK - this is a tough one- was he born in Canada - and before he became famous his  name was Poplar Haven something, later changed in the US to just something (but in Canada he is still Poplar Haven)?? or was he born in the US, maybe Texas??? Need another hint!! If this was live you could do charades but since it ain't you can't!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 22, 2007, 02:07:29 PM

 This calf was born in the U.S. of A. He's a 15/16 purebred. Maybe the 1st born. That enough hints, I think.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 22, 2007, 02:19:54 PM
 

 Meant to say the 1st solid black 15/16.
               



Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 22, 2007, 04:40:38 PM
Wait - I changed my mind - could it be Black Gold - the famous AA Black Gold 500?? If so I am in awe of you Telos - I have been looking everywhere for a picture of him....if not I'll have to guess again, I thought he was (at least) one of the first black 15/16 Maines.......
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 22, 2007, 05:14:44 PM

You are so close... You'll probably want to strangle me when you guess it right. That enough hints for now.  :-\
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 22, 2007, 05:22:14 PM
 Sorry, I mislead you AA Black Gold was the first 15/16 solid black Maine bull. For my mistake I'll give you another hint. This calf is one of his sons.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 22, 2007, 06:20:58 PM
Sorry, I mislead you AA Black Gold was the first 15/16 solid black Maine bull. For my mistake I'll give you another hint. This calf is one of his sons.

STRUTT - never saw a baby picture of him!
OK -  so my first guess was Ferris Ranch Strutt (then I was mislead by the first black ...) so my guess is STRUTT - made 'em black and made 'em pretty and they are great cows!

Do I win the minature replica of the multicolored raon Beefpaca?
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Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 22, 2007, 07:09:14 PM
SORRY BEEN AT BALLGAME BUT YES THE BULL IS POWER PLANT ABOVE THE CALF PICTURE (clapping)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 22, 2007, 07:25:52 PM
Your first guess was right. Strutt went on to be the National Champion Maine bull at Denver.
 
Sorry again for misleading you. Glen Ferris sent me that picture. He was really proud of him and asked me to come take a look. Back in those days, a 15/16 solid black wasn't easy to get. Strutt did a lot of things right in my opinion. Never any structure issues and reasonably good calving ease. Females made good cows.

It would be cool to have a piciture of AA Black Gold 500.

Your prize, Well how about two of those multi-colored Pack-a-derms.  Oh I'm sorry, meant to say Beefpacas.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 22, 2007, 07:38:48 PM
might be easy...maybe not
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 22, 2007, 08:31:21 PM
Your first guess was right. Strutt went on to be the National Champion Maine bull at Denver.
 
Sorry again for misleading you. Glen Ferris sent me that picture. He was really proud of him and asked me to come take a look. Back in those days, a 15/16 solid black wasn't easy to get. Strutt did a lot of things right in my opinion. Never any structure issues and reasonably good calving ease. Females made good cows.

It would be cool to have a piciture of AA Black Gold 500.

Your prize, Well how about two of those multi-colored Pack-a-derms.  Oh I'm sorry, meant to say Beefpacas.

Yeah, I really like my Strutt cows and had never seen a picutre of him other than the National show picture that was plastered all over! Besides the fact that Strutt sired great structure, great mothers, very pretty cows, the bull lived to the ripe old age of 15 I think, so longevity is built in!

I was always fond of the Ferris Ranch program - I thought they were good honest people with good honest cattle. Although I have a picture of FR Gizmo, I don't think I ever saw FR Magic and I have never seen Black Gold....but the hunt continues...hold on to the prize - I might go double or nuthin!

farmboy - haven't a clue - need a hint!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 22, 2007, 08:35:37 PM
A VERY OLD MAINE USED IN ANOTHER BREED
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 22, 2007, 09:58:49 PM

Farm boy, I'll guess and say Inox. Another great looking bull.

Use to have pics of both Gizmo and Magic, but threw them away during spring cleaning last year. The Ferris family has a rich and wonderful history. Jane Ferris                        is still breeding cattle and recently purchase a bull at the Fort Worth Maine sale. Tom and son Glen are both deceased. Both Glen and his Dad were really good cow people. Glen eventually talked his Dad into raising club calves because the cattle business was tuff in the 80''s. That decision, I feel, helped save their farm. Their commercial
cow herd was considered one of the best with mostly Angus and some Shorthorn as foundation.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on April 22, 2007, 10:26:21 PM
isn't that roan bull the half maine named Steermaker that was like a Red Knight son or something?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 23, 2007, 02:41:41 AM
XXCC (welcome)

We have got a real cattle history buff w/ us now guys! Be on your pedigree toes!

Red



XXcc's cattle
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 23, 2007, 03:15:12 AM
FarmBoy- if not Inox then Stinger?

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 05:52:33 AM
STEERMAKER IS CORRECT. SIRED BY THE OLD MAINE BULL RED KNIGHT (cow)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 06:04:16 AM
THIS ONE MAYBE EASY....I THINK
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Post by: ELBEE on April 23, 2007, 07:38:56 AM
Trump
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Post by: red on April 23, 2007, 07:54:05 AM
Ok, here's one that isn't quite so old. I'll give more hints if you need them!
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Post by: frostback on April 23, 2007, 09:28:05 AM
Foreplay.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 23, 2007, 09:30:11 AM
YES! Frostback, love the eyes his throws! Actually love the cows!

Red (clapping)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: genes on April 23, 2007, 09:57:02 AM
Haha....I don't think I've ever heard anyone saying anything about a bull passing on eyes.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 23, 2007, 10:00:05 AM
They are very distinctive. Sort of slant eyed, it seems to pass down the generations. I can tell my Foreplay's by their eyes.

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: genes on April 23, 2007, 10:07:02 AM
Interesting.....

Well don't tell Gypsy because I don't think she likes to look hers in the eye, but I think the Corriente calves have the nicest eyelashes.  Mascara commercial quality  (clapping)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 23, 2007, 02:30:04 PM
Here you go Genes, an example of Foreplay eyes.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 02:33:58 PM
NEAT EYES.... HERES A BULL USED TODAY BUT HAS A VERY RARE PICTURE.SIRED SOME GOOD BULLS ALSO. (welcome) (cow)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: frostback on April 23, 2007, 02:37:08 PM
ALL ABOUT YOU
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 02:39:25 PM
(BUZZ NOISE) WRONG  ??? (clapping)



kepping the world safer one beefpaca at a time

I like that!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: frostback on April 23, 2007, 02:49:24 PM
I know that is ALL ABOUT YOU I didnt even have to look it up, but the may 2001 National livestock Exhibitor there is the famous photo of him and that one. Not sure who you think it is.Sorry
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 02:55:47 PM
 
I know that is ALL ABOUT YOU I didnt even have to look it up, but the may 2001 National livestock Exhibitor there is the famous photo of him and that one. Not sure who you think it is.Sorry
OKAY THIS BULL IS SUPPOSEDLY DEBULL CAX. IN CATTLE.COM THE PICTURE IS UNDER DEBULL. IF IT'S NOT SORRY
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 02:58:03 PM
I SAID ANOTHER RARE PIC. BECAUSE THE USUAL DEBULL PIC IS THE CALVES LINED UP IN ALL THE CATALOGS. BUT IT MIGHT BE FAMOUS PROGENY CAUSE I KNOW THEY DO THAT SOMETIMES (lol)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: frostback on April 23, 2007, 03:07:13 PM
DeBull was hurt when is was young and no photo was ever taking.
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Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 03:25:23 PM
I HOPE YOU DON'T THINK ME AN IDIOT (lol) BUT THIS PIC WAS ALSO ON BOVINE ELLIOT AS WELL. I AGREE IT IS VERY SIMILAR TO AAY.
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Post by: OH Breeder on April 23, 2007, 04:19:16 PM
isn't that roan bull the half maine named Steermaker that was like a Red Knight son or something?
That is Steermaker and he is a Red Knight son, son of CUnia.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 23, 2007, 04:39:54 PM
ALL THOSE HAIRY BLACK CLUBBY BULLS LOOK ALIKE TO ME!  ;D ;D ;D GIVE ME RED AND WHITE!! OK, I will....Who is this bull - he is an older bull but much talked about lately! Here is your chance to win another fabulous prize.....yes, xxcc even you can play!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: genes on April 23, 2007, 04:59:28 PM
I'm not good at this game but being DL I'm going to guess it's a PHA culprit.  Stinger?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 05:24:32 PM
PERHAPS PHILDON CUNIA DIVIDEND
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 23, 2007, 05:27:23 PM
Oh my Farmerboy, I just loved your motto!


Looks like Warhorse to me.

Red
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Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 05:50:51 PM
AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT LOOKED LIKE WARHORSE
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Post by: DL on April 23, 2007, 06:21:10 PM
This boy is a Maine-Anjou....almost 100% Maine (not quite) ..... (cow)
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on April 23, 2007, 06:26:44 PM
I'm goin out on a limb here...but K&A Shakedown?
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Post by: DL on April 23, 2007, 06:52:21 PM
I'm goin out on a limb here...but K&A Shakedown?

SJ89 - you are hot! That would be K&A Shakedown featured on the April 1989 cover of the A,erican Maine Anjou Review!

This one is for zach.....
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 07:30:51 PM
THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN TO BE ZACH FROM SHOWSTEERS BULL WOULD IT.HI!!! (welcome)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 07:44:11 PM
SEEING AS HOW I KNOW WHAT THIS BULL IS...I WON'T SPOIL THE GUESSWORK!zach-farmboy
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 23, 2007, 08:04:09 PM
THIS WOULDN'T HAPPEN TO BE ZACH FROM SHOWSTEERS BULL WOULD IT.HI!!! (welcome)

You betcha - he wanted a picture and we aim to please!  (welcome)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: sjcattleco on April 23, 2007, 08:06:23 PM
I'm goin out on a limb here...but K&A Shakedown?

SJ89 - you are hot! That would be K&A Shakedown featured on the April 1989 cover of the A,erican Maine Anjou Review!

This one is for zach.....

Ohh that has to be from the 80's  :o :o :o
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 08:14:02 PM
STILL NOT GOING TO SPOIL IT YET...BUT YES FROM THE 80'S (pop) (cow) (lol) (clapping) (dog) (welcome) (:)) O0 :'( :-* :-\ :P ::) ??? 8) :o :( >:( ;D :D ;) :)
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Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 08:19:17 PM
THIS HAS GOT TO BE THE CUTEST DONKEY EVER...WOULDN'T YA SAY (:))
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Post by: sjcattleco on April 23, 2007, 08:31:15 PM
try this one
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Post by: DL on April 23, 2007, 08:33:54 PM
He is adorable - is he zach's donkey???  ;D ;D ;D

SJCC - yup the 80s (can't give you a birth year 'cause red goes thru all the herd sire directories looking at years!) Born in Iowa -
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 23, 2007, 08:36:20 PM
try this one

If he isn't one of Gypsy's aliens I need a hint!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Nasc on April 23, 2007, 08:39:18 PM
Rambo ???
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Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 08:39:32 PM
this (unfortanently) is not IS NOT MY MINI-DONKEY. I JUST FEEL LIKE GRABBIN HIM UP AND SQUEEZIN' THOUGH.
I GUESS THE GIG MIGHT BE UP ON THE LATEST BULL....K&A RAMBO. THANCKS DL FOR SHARIN' THAT. NOW HOW 'BOUT THEM TWINCREEK ETULASON PICS  O0
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 08:43:28 PM
Rambo ???
YOU BEAT ME TO IT BY 14 SECONDS...AS FOR THE OTHER BULL...HAVN'T A CLUE ...NEED A HINT MAN[/i][/color]
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 23, 2007, 08:50:21 PM
MAY BE MATURE MOODY BLUES...NEED HINT!!!!!! (lol)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on April 23, 2007, 09:39:44 PM
try this one
Gizmos ;) Image
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: sjcattleco on April 23, 2007, 09:43:52 PM
AHHHHH someone is smart!!!   ;D
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on April 23, 2007, 09:55:19 PM
 
1972 Disqualified Grand Champion Steer 'Big Mac'.  AT NWSS Denver
Does anyone know why he was disqualified?

HINT: ...Thats a  horse of another color

 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 23, 2007, 09:56:04 PM
Rambo ???

YOU GOT HIM!! GOOD JOB!
Would never have gotten Gizmo's Image! OH Breeder you are right on again!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 23, 2007, 10:18:31 PM

1972 Disqualified Grand Champion Steer 'Big Mac'.  AT NWSS Denver
Does anyone know why he was disqualified?

HINT: ...Thats a  horse of another color

 


ONLY HIS HAIRDRESSER KNEW FOR SURE?

(WHITE STEER DIED BLACK?)

TELOS, THIS ONE IS FOR YOU!!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on April 23, 2007, 10:32:57 PM

1972 Disqualified Grand Champion Steer 'Big Mac'.  AT NWSS Denver
Does anyone know why he was disqualified?

HINT: ...Thats a  horse of another color

 




Yes, actually a charlois they dyed black
.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 24, 2007, 04:34:47 AM

Yes, I remember the Denver steer. What a scandle that was!

You know DL, Many of these bull photos I've seen at one time or another, but my brain has trouble with who, where and when. I just remember their image and it gets stored somewhere within my little brain.

This particular picture though looks like FR Gizmo. He has that Power Plant look in my opinion.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 24, 2007, 06:08:39 AM
looks like a witch doctor calf or dejong ranch calf ???
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Post by: DL on April 24, 2007, 10:09:18 AM
looks like a witch doctor calf or dejong ranch calf ???

NOPE - Go south young man go south!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: frostback on April 24, 2007, 01:06:20 PM
power plant
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 24, 2007, 01:27:14 PM
power plant


not PowerPlant - check out reply #48....go south young man go south....
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 24, 2007, 01:44:34 PM
 (:))

I've lost track of what bull we're guessing!? duh, you can see what happens when the brain tries to do too many things at once!
Knabe suggested labeling the bull w/ the correct names at a later date. Kind of like that idea too. Will work on that when it rains.

Red ???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 24, 2007, 01:54:42 PM
PERHAPS MAYBE A MORE SPECIFIC HINT REFERING TO GO SOUTH...I MIGHT BE YOUNG , BUT I KNOW MY BULLS...EXCEPT FOR THAT DEBULL THING. LISTED AS DEBULL BUT CLAIMED TO BE AAY. (pop) (cow)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 24, 2007, 03:50:18 PM
COUNTY LINE (:))
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 24, 2007, 03:59:21 PM
Red post #113 is the bull of mystery
de boys are still sparing about de bull so that has added to the confusion about which de bull we is looking at
fb - now by County Line I assume you mean Pistol Pete's dad Mr County Line 186?
Good guess, right state, this bull would have been sired by a bull that (I believe) frostback incorrectly identified as this bull.....(guess he might look like his daddy??)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 24, 2007, 04:05:30 PM
Witchdoctor?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 24, 2007, 04:08:33 PM
g whiz, theres got to be a million power plant calves.WITCH DOCTOR,CEASER, TAKE CHARGE. I'M REALLY FAMILIAR WITH THE PP LINES.1 MORE HINT AND I MAY HAVE IT. ;)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 24, 2007, 04:37:07 PM
Red post #113 is the bull of mystery
de boys are still sparing about de bull so that has added to the confusion about which de bull we is looking at
fb - now by County Line I assume you mean Pistol Pete's dad Mr County Line 186?
Good guess, right state, this bull would have been sired by a bull that (I believe) frostback incorrectly identified as this bull.....(guess he might look like his daddy??)

THAT WAS VERY CONFUSING BUT  I THINK I DECIPHERED IT. (lol)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 24, 2007, 05:13:54 PM
Here's a new thread - actually it hit me when ELBEE (The Planet's Illustrious Historian) posted a picture ,,,,so here we go, name the Bull. Hints will be provided if necessary!

HATE TO BE NOSY,BUT WHATS THE WRITING OR LETTER LOOKING SCRIPTURE ON THAT PARAMOUNT PHOTO ON PAGE 1
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 24, 2007, 06:49:48 PM
Here's a new thread - actually it hit me when ELBEE (The Planet's Illustrious Historian) posted a picture ,,,,so here we go, name the Bull. Hints will be provided if necessary!

HATE TO BE NOSY,BUT WHATS THE WRITING OR LETTER LOOKING SCRIPTURE ON THAT PARAMOUNT PHOTO ON PAGE 1

You are just stalling!! I think it is the background from the picture on the back - you know how papayrus fades with the decades!

Hint - think of ELBEE! If ELBEE gets it your bull ranking goes down a titch
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 24, 2007, 06:52:09 PM
With all the guesses and hints I'm going to try again and say, DJ Dictator.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on April 24, 2007, 07:22:03 PM
Here's a new thread - actually it hit me when ELBEE (The Planet's Illustrious Historian) posted a picture ,,,,so here we go, name the Bull. Hints will be provided if necessary!

HATE TO BE NOSY,BUT WHATS THE WRITING OR LETTER LOOKING SCRIPTURE ON THAT PARAMOUNT PHOTO ON PAGE 1

You are just stalling!! I think it is the background from the picture on the back - you know how papayrus fades with the decades!

Hint - think of ELBEE! If ELBEE gets it your bull ranking goes down a titch

WHO IS IT.....please pretty please :P
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 24, 2007, 08:25:10 PM
girrr!!!!! I DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA. >:(
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 24, 2007, 08:36:19 PM
BOYS BOYS BOYS!!!!
One more hint - then I will fess up
Oklahoma bull
75% MA - sired by Power Plant out of a Caqui x Bysantin cow (maternal grand sires)
ELBEE has interest in a bull of a different breed with a similar name....
It ain't Widget
(lol) (lol) (lol)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 24, 2007, 08:48:31 PM
THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS FERRIS RANCH GIZMO...1984 BY POWER PLANT.ONE KARMA POINT FOR ME (:))
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on April 24, 2007, 08:56:24 PM
THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF IS FERRIS RANCH GIZMO...1984 BY POWER PLANT.ONE KARMA POINT FOR ME (:))

YOU ARE Correct! Checked the registration.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 24, 2007, 08:58:57 PM
KARMA...LETS SEE IF ANY OF YOU GUYS CAN GET THIS ONE
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 24, 2007, 09:07:20 PM


 Stainless Steel.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 24, 2007, 09:14:47 PM

On post #115, I guessed FR Gizmo. Was I correct?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 24, 2007, 09:43:56 PM

On post #115, I guessed FR Gizmo. Was I correct?

YUP IT WAS FERRIS RANCH GIZMO - Karma all around, but do I have to find an easier one for ya next time?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on April 24, 2007, 11:34:12 PM
in regard to #127, when DL ran off her copy of an old Maine sire directory, Paramount was on page 21, in the reciprocal position on page 20 was a Bull by the name of Ramco Gendarme, a 1973 import from North of the English Channel.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on April 24, 2007, 11:53:07 PM
RIGHT BREED, WRONG BULL! (But good guess!) Here's Bysantin..who is older than the mystery bull  (cow).
What happen to this Maine bull? He looks like he would fit in pretty good today. Great muscle etc...Wonder how tall he was?Maybe some won't agree, but I like the looks of him from the picture. Looks like an easy keeper easy fleshing bull. But, just a picture.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on April 25, 2007, 04:09:23 PM

Those Bysantin Half-bloods were pretty cool. Made good mommas, some of them. He could throw that "ground sow"  look...amazing rib circumference, etc..

His drawback was calving ease and breeders didn't mess with using more of him after the reports came in. Those early breeders were concerned with trying to lower those birth weights. Many modern pedigrees though, show him to have been a good foundation bull. You will see Bysantin half blood cows in pedigrees frequently  as
the base foundation, because he also was the first Maine-Anjou bull imported to Noth America.

Cunia first became popular because of his calving ease, even before his females went into production. I was never a Cunia freak like many club calf and some breeders are today, but he offered many good traits. Owned a cow that went back to Cunia twenty- one times in her extended pedigree. She won many shows but could not get her bred.
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Post by: OH Breeder on April 25, 2007, 04:23:18 PM

Those Bysantin Half-bloods were pretty cool. Made good mommas, some of them. He could throw that "ground sow"  look...amazing rib circumference, etc..

His drawback was calving ease and breeders didn't mess with using more of him after the reports came in. Those early breeders were concerned with trying to lower those birth weights. Many modern pedigrees though, show him to have been a good foundation bull. You will see Bysantin half blood cows in pedigrees frequently  as
the base foundation, because he also was the first Maine-Anjou bull imported to Noth America.

Cunia first became popular because of his calving ease, even before his females went into production. I was never a Cunia freak like many club calf and some breeders are today, but he offered many good traits. Owned a cow that went back to Cunia twenty- one times in her extended pedigree. She won many shows but could not get her bred.
I wonder with those early reports what birthweights were like.  I wonder if those BW's then would be more moderate today. IE: bw's in the 90's and 120's today
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 25, 2007, 06:42:46 PM
DANG IT..I THOUGHT THE MATURE LOOKS OF STAINLESS STEEL WOULD THROW SOMEBODY OFF :o
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 25, 2007, 09:02:28 PM
farmboy - we are a smart bunch eh? try this big fella!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 25, 2007, 09:13:53 PM
I'M NOT THAT OLD DL....1979 HOUSTON...I HAVE NO CLUE CAUSE I'M ONE OF THE YOUNG GUNS.SOMEBODY MORE TIME-TESTED MIGHT KNOW
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on April 25, 2007, 10:08:13 PM
Twin Creek Etulason
Red Knight?
Both born in 76 in time for 79 show? ???

Or
MR X MILLIRON 11 SOn of cunia Born 77 
 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on April 26, 2007, 02:09:20 AM
regarding #140 and it's replies, i think it's interesting that both Cunia and Bysantin had 112# BWs (actually, the reported BWs were 51 kg).  in regard to Bysantin, everything associated with him was big, just plain big everything.

for those of you who want to reminisce, her are two pics one from the early 70's of a halfblood Bysantin heifer with a 3/4 Crack alf at side and the other of a halfblood Bysantin bull. a little different than today's cattle.

(hopefully i got the pics attached right)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 26, 2007, 06:09:17 AM
Anybody have any pictures of Crack? AMAA registration #13
That would be an old picture!

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 26, 2007, 06:21:05 AM
I'M NOT THAT OLD DL....1979 HOUSTON...I HAVE NO CLUE CAUSE I'M ONE OF THE YOUNG GUNS.SOMEBODY MORE TIME-TESTED MIGHT KNOW


geeze farmboy - ya ask for a picture of a bull and then ya pull the I'm toooo young card! Now that is lame!!!

OH Breeder you got it - Streamliner AKA Twin Creeks Etulason.

Red - crack - I think so....
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: ELBEE on April 26, 2007, 09:07:29 AM
One of these days Mr. Dell and I are going to fist city. After a two hour battle, I get two upside down posters of Crack. Kinda takes the fun out of it.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Chap on April 26, 2007, 09:29:38 AM
my dad used a bunch of Denver Nugget years ago in the commercial herd.  seems like they were great growing cattle, but I don't remember much else,  anybody have a pic and additional info on him?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 26, 2007, 09:48:50 AM
my dad used a bunch of Denver Nugget years ago in the commercial herd.  seems like they were great growing cattle, but I don't remember much else,  anybody have a pic and additional info on him?

Think so, but ELBEE is so fast (although sideways) he will probably beat me to it - cant get to them til much later tonight....
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: ELBEE on April 26, 2007, 10:00:34 AM
Knock yerself out Lana, I'm fuursuutrated!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on April 26, 2007, 10:56:27 AM
Actually I'm fustrated too! Have gotten him right sided but just can't get it all cropped properly!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 26, 2007, 11:16:31 AM
Actually I'm fustrated too! Have gotten him right sided but just can't get it all cropped properly!

send him to me at work!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 26, 2007, 01:52:53 PM
I'M NOT THAT OLD DL....1979 HOUSTON...I HAVE NO CLUE CAUSE I'M ONE OF THE YOUNG GUNS.SOMEBODY MORE TIME-TESTED MIGHT KNOW


geeze farmboy - ya ask for a picture of a bull and then ya pull the I'm toooo young card! Now that is lame!!!

OH Breeder you got it - Streamliner AKA Twin Creeks Etulason.

Red - crack - I think so....

JUST BACK FROM SCHOOL....SO THATS POWER PLANTS SIRE.HAVE TO SHOW MY DAD..VERY INTERESTING SEEING ALOT OF OLD BULLS (pop)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 26, 2007, 03:44:17 PM
HAS THERE EVER BEEN A PICTURE OF TOTAL PLAY...I SAW SEMEN FROM HIM ON E-BAY FOR LIKE $2000
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on April 26, 2007, 04:34:53 PM
HAS THERE EVER BEEN A PICTURE OF TOTAL PLAY...I SAW SEMEN FROM HIM ON E-BAY FOR LIKE $2000

I couldn't find any semen other than Longhorn semen.  When did you see that semen for sale?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 26, 2007, 05:30:17 PM
One of these days Mr. Dell and I are going to fist city. After a two hour battle, I get two upside down posters of Crack. Kinda takes the fun out of it.

ELBEE & Red - please forgive me! First there was a big picture of Crack sidewise, but he was in color.
Then there was a big picture of half of Crackright side up, but in color.
I couldn't stand it! :o :o :o
Here is a picture of all of Crack, right side up, but black and white.....humbly! DL

ps don't forget to have a talk with Bill Gates too!! 
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Post by: knabe on April 26, 2007, 05:42:57 PM
if ever there ever was an equivalent of PHA propogator for computers, it's bill gates.  windows came from DEC, not apple, so they didn't even invent that either.  Mac's, PHA/TH free.  alas, we have the dwarf gene.
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Post by: Zach on April 26, 2007, 07:19:19 PM
HAS THERE EVER BEEN A PICTURE OF TOTAL PLAY...I SAW SEMEN FROM HIM ON E-BAY FOR LIKE $2000

I couldn't find any semen other than Longhorn semen.  When did you see that semen for sale?
ITS BEEN BACK IN JANUARY...THERE WAS LIKE 30 DAYS TO GO SO ITS PROBABLY ALL GONE (cow)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: genes on April 27, 2007, 09:22:00 AM
if ever there ever was an equivalent of PHA propogator for computers, it's bill gates.  windows came from DEC, not apple, so they didn't even invent that either.  Mac's, PHA/TH free.  alas, we have the dwarf gene.

HAHAHA   (lol)  You and I are on the same page Knabe.  I remember hearing a few weeks ago that the guy who invented Word was so rich that he was going to be a space tourist.   First thought, not fair (I mean who needs that much money?).  Second thought, leave him out there.


Farmboy, I happened across that semen on eBay too (surprise surprise, not like I'm an eBay addict  ::))  and was going to comment here then forgot all about it.  I don't think it clicked in my head what bull it really was......
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Jill on April 27, 2007, 11:43:33 AM

1972 Disqualified Grand Champion Steer 'Big Mac'.  AT NWSS Denver
Does anyone know why he was disqualified?

HINT: ...Thats a  horse of another color
Funny, I had heard about this steer for years but never knew that it was Eldon, someone at the steer show in Denver was telling the story this year and told on him.
Eldon is a friend and has done an enormous amount of good publicity for the youth of Kansas (and other states) and we really appreciate him.

 

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on April 27, 2007, 12:53:52 PM
Birth date Jan. 1970
that was a good year and month....
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 27, 2007, 02:18:09 PM
One of these days Mr. Dell and I are going to fist city. After a two hour battle, I get two upside down posters of Crack. Kinda takes the fun out of it.

This is ELBEE's picture of Crack that has been dragonized to fit the whole bull on the page in color!! ELBEE I'll send you a copy, dl (dog) (dog) (dog)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: ELBEE on April 27, 2007, 02:27:36 PM
The pic. called Capone is actually Dollar 2nd-14. I was saving Big Al for a special occasion.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 27, 2007, 02:47:33 PM
HERE'S ONE I FOUND
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: ELBEE on April 27, 2007, 03:06:33 PM
Big Al "Capone", bestest Maine bull ever imported. If not for Improver 3rd, he'd probably be our foundation Sire. Still have a tank full of semen on him, just for a rainy day.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 27, 2007, 05:22:18 PM
The pic. called Capone is actually Dollar 2nd-14. I was saving Big Al for a special occasion.

And so here he is as who he is Dollar 2 (aka Dollar 2nd) born Jan 18, 1970!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 27, 2007, 05:29:17 PM
Big Al "Capone", bestest Maine bull ever imported. If not for Improver 3rd, he'd probably be our foundation Sire. Still have a tank full of semen on him, just for a rainy day.

ELBEE - Here's Big AL - less BIG...Nice bull!! Born March 1, 1969 in France owned by Western Breeders in ALberta.

(if you want me to remove the giant AL I will)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 28, 2007, 09:22:57 PM
HERE'S ONE I FOUND

farmboy - I haven't the foggiest who he is - he isn't terribly phenotypically pleasing to me - his forelegs look like Bobby Orr''s thighs! You better give us a hint!! Here is one for you, he ain't a bull but he is a stud!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 29, 2007, 07:31:23 AM
JUST YOUR LUCK LAST NIGHT I WAS LOOKING AT OLD STUDS...DON'T KNOW WHY...THIS BULL CALVED IN 1980...AS FOR THE STUD, MIGHT BE MAN O' WAR OR SEABISCUT
REGISTERED WITH AAA

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 29, 2007, 07:32:49 AM
IS THIS A QUARTER HORSE ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 29, 2007, 07:40:45 AM
I CAN'T GET IT ALL IN ONE POST...LAST NIGHT I WAS ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT NAMING THE STUD...GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE DON'T THEY (lol)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on April 29, 2007, 07:46:16 AM
HERES MAN O WAR
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on April 29, 2007, 08:56:02 AM
IS THIS A QUARTER HORSE ??? ??? ???

YUP one forth a horse three forths don't know what!!! 
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 01, 2007, 06:24:29 PM
THE ANGUS BULL IS THE ORIGINAL TEHAMA BANDO
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 01, 2007, 06:25:43 PM
Neat Farmboy! I don't know my Angus genetics!
When was he born?

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 01, 2007, 06:30:49 PM
1980 :o TEHAMA BANDO BRED TO BON VEIW COWS EQUALS BON VEIW BANDO 598
I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT DL's QUARTER HORSE ;D

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 02, 2007, 01:35:15 AM
this bull was the only imported son of a particular 4 time paris champion
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 02, 2007, 10:08:51 AM
LOULOU...TOO EASY WITH GOOGLE. (clapping)
http://www.manitoumaineanjou.ca/index.php?page=gallery/indimg.php&indid=95&catid=12#thepic
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 02, 2007, 12:32:52 PM
1980 :o TEHAMA BANDO BRED TO BON VEIW COWS EQUALS BON VEIW BANDO 598
I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT DL's QUARTER HORSE ;D



Think genetic defects - think different species - think dominant inheritance -

Great picture xxcc - did you take it???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 02, 2007, 01:17:36 PM
what ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: clifflem on May 02, 2007, 02:04:05 PM
Stud Horse--Impressive
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Post by: knabe on May 02, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
if that's impressive, his feet sure look small.  he wasn't run because his muslces were too big for his carriage, ie mark mcguire.  strange seeing his head from that angle.

by the way, there is a test for HERDA now.  and breeders are saying you need one copy to win.  sound familiar?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 02, 2007, 02:07:54 PM
what ??? ??? ???


are you saying you know nothing about horses? those are good really good hints --- the horse in the picture is the Draft Pick or Stinger or Improver or Outcast of another defect (ie in the horse) ---somebody help the farm boy here - Rhonda is busy!!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 02, 2007, 02:09:19 PM
Stud Horse--Impressive

right you are boys - thanks for helping ol' farmboy - I think we had him out of his element~! Can you name the HERDA dirty doer?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on May 02, 2007, 02:43:33 PM
dirty doer is kind of tricky on this one.

both dry doc and doc o lena by poco lena, by poco bueno lines are responsible for most of them, ~95%.  after that, it gets fishy.  could be the dam of poco bueno, and since the other 5% come from other lines including poco bueno's full brother old grand dad, it could be from the paternal side.
 some think it didn't come from king, and therefore traveler, since a lot of king and traveler linebreds dont' have it in the absence of poco bueno lines.  that leaves the maternal side.

this is another interesting gene, because it would be neat to see if this came from a spontaneous change recently, is a recombination error, or has a function, or some selection going on in the presence of the right combination of genes, and when those got weeded out for whatever reason, the phenotype manifests itself.  the sloughing of skin.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 02, 2007, 02:48:18 PM
THAT ONE NIGHT I WAS LOOKIN' AT RACE HORSES...THOUROGH (sp) BREDS....I'M STILL IN THE DARK HERE..WHATS THE HORSES NAME ANYWAY.I'M STICKIN' TO BULLS
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 02, 2007, 04:09:39 PM
BACK TO THE BULL'S
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 02, 2007, 04:34:18 PM
Not sure who the bull is Farmboy ( what breed?)- but here is some information on DL's horse & the syndrome:

Of the top 15 halter horses in 1992, 13 were descendants of Impressive. Even at the age of 23, Impressive himself was fourth on the list. In 1993, it was estimated that more than 55,000 Quarter Horses, Paints, and Appaloosas world-wide bore his pedigree.

But what seemed like a winning streak to go down in history was soon to be overshadowed by tragedy. Greatness, unfortunately, was not the only thing that Impressive passed on. He has also been linked to a genetic mutation that only recently has been implicated in the rare but burgeoning - and sometimes fatal - muscular disorder known as hyperkalemic periodic paralysis. This particular defect is a dominant condition, meaning that at least half of the affected horses' offspring will be affected as well. In the words of one prominent Quarter Horse trainer, this discovery was "one of the most devastating things that has ever hit the horse industry."

Within a few years of Impressive's ascendancy to the top of the sire's list, halter horse owners began to notice a strange muscular twitching that often left their horses temporarily unable to move. Usually mis-diagnosed as tying-up syndrom or colic, these episodes varied widely in degree and duration....but all had one factor in common, their pedigree. As a result, many people now know HYPP as its' more common name: Impressive Syndrom.

Research funded by the AQHA and the University of California-Davis Equine Research Laboratory subsequently linked the problem to elevated levels of potassium in the blood serum. But even as researchers at leading veterinary schools began publishing articles in professional journals and trade publications, the vast majority of Quarter Horse owners remained unaware of the condition.

All the while, Impressive and his kin continued to make history.....breeding, showing, winning ribbons, and making their owners fantastic sums of money. Most affected horses can be controlled quite well with medication and a proper low-potassium diet, therefore, many owners of affected horses considered HYPP a minor inconvenience in light of the line's tremendous value. Given the fact that - at the time - there was no proof that the disorder was exclusive to the Impressive line - not to mention the fact that owners of stock descended from Impressive included some of the most prominent and wealthy individuals in the industry - no one wanted to be the first to publicly implicate the line. And, even later, when a breakthrough genetic test removed all doubt, lessening the moral and ethical burdens associated with naming Impressive as the carrier, neither the research community nor the AQHA was eager to lift the lid of this Pandora's box: Each feared possible legal and financial ramifications from a sector of the horse industry that would be shaken to its foundations.

In the past few years however, pressures both within and outside the Quarter Horse industry finally shattered the secrecy surrounding HYPP. The genetic test, made available in 1992, can identify affected horses with virtual certainty. As a result, many owners of horses descended from Impressive have rushed to have their horses tested, hoping that a negative result would protect their considerable investment against the anticipated backlash. Breeders have purchased advertising in The Quarter Horse Journal touting their HYPP-negative test results, and privately have urged their peers to either test their Impressive bred horses, or remove them from breeding.

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 02, 2007, 04:48:00 PM
MAINE >:(
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 02, 2007, 05:04:21 PM
in regard to loulou, the hint was too easy.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 02, 2007, 05:28:03 PM
IT WASN'T THE HINT. I GOOGLED MAINE ANJOU FRANCE AND IT WAS ON LIKE MANITOU MAINE OR SOMTHIN' LIKE THAT. (pop)WHO'S THE 4 TIME CHAMPION SIRE
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 02, 2007, 06:24:43 PM
MAINE >:(

Need more hints! Age? State? something - he has a Grizz head but I think that is irrelevant - could be his hairdresser did it - it's a bull thing!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 02, 2007, 07:31:15 PM
MORE OF A MATERNAL SIRE.AND A LOONY TOON
JUST A DIFFERENT PIC OF A BULL TODAY
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on May 02, 2007, 08:51:56 PM


You have made it easy for me on this one, only because I really like this guy for making females.  It better be KBC TAZ or I'll come across  as being over confident
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 02, 2007, 08:55:56 PM


You have made it easy for me on this one, only because I really like this guy for making females.  It better be KBC TAZ or I'll come across  as being over confident
CORRECT! THREE STARS FOR TELOS BUT SINCE NO STARS ARE AVAILABLE YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE 3 DOGS
 (dog) (dog) (dog)  HAD TO MIX THE PICS UP...AND HOW BOUT THEM LOONY TOONS..."WHATS UP DOC"
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 02, 2007, 09:12:33 PM
MAINE >:(


Actually half blood Maine - the rest I believe is primarily Angus with a touch of Chi - now explain the looney tunes thing - got some Taz in the tank if it refers to him (and believe me I checked the temperament thing pretty close, even called KB of KBC -  I might have to rethink!) - good job Telos, American Idol ain't got nothing on you guyys!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 02, 2007, 09:21:48 PM
taz
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 02, 2007, 09:29:55 PM
Hint: One of those bulls that established the market for "exotics" back in the day...
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on May 02, 2007, 10:38:37 PM
WCR SIR DUKE 783
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 02, 2007, 11:32:18 PM
in regard to the manitou bull, i was told this is a pic of his sire (ie. the prais champion) - hint: he's related to Etula
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 03, 2007, 02:18:33 PM
ABRICOT ::) TO FRICKEN EASY I FOUND THE NAME ON THE SAME PLACE AS LOU LOU AND IT SAID LOU LOU 1975, SON OF ABRICOT, 4 TIME PARIS CHAMPION... TRY AGAIN XXCC (pop)http://www.manitoumaineanjou.ca/index.php?page=gallery/indimg.php&indid=50&catid=7
FOUND CETTA-LA COW THERE TO..SAME PIC. LOTS OF GOOD LOOKIN' COWS AND BULLS FROM BACK IN THE DAY
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Post by: DL on May 03, 2007, 04:54:40 PM
ABRICOT ::) TO FRICKEN EASY I FOUND THE NAME ON THE SAME PLACE AS LOU LOU AND IT SAID LOU LOU 1975, SON OF ABRICOT, 4 TIME PARIS CHAMPION... TRY AGAIN XXCC (pop)[url]http://www.manitoumaineanjou.ca/index.php?page=gallery/indimg.php&indid=50&catid=7[/url]
FOUND CETTA-LA COW THERE TO..SAME PIC. LOTS OF GOOD LOOKIN' COWS AND BULLS FROM BACK IN THE DAY


OK wise guy how come you didn't identify my white bull????

OH breeder - good guess but sorry....
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 03, 2007, 05:14:18 PM
GETTIN' TO THAT 8)http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.msu.edu/~ritchieh/historical/ringmaster.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.msu.edu/~ritchieh/historical/cattletype.html&h=270&w=411&sz=66&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=XvX6FiyJgGYLDM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=125&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dold%2Bshorthorn%2Bsires%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
lots of old pics of cattle like this one from 1911
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 03, 2007, 05:30:37 PM
1911
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Post by: Zach on May 03, 2007, 05:32:32 PM
srt the angus ain't that old but the shorthorn is 1911. see if you can guess the shortys name. DL I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHITEY
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 03, 2007, 05:34:28 PM
THAT BOTTOM ONE IS THE DEFINITION OF COMPACT BEEF :o
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 03, 2007, 06:00:24 PM
what does google tell you here, farmboy?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 03, 2007, 06:00:57 PM
srt the angus ain't that old but the shorthorn is 1911. see if you can guess the shortys name. DL I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHITEY

Ringmaster -

can you determine the breed of whitey?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 03, 2007, 07:51:00 PM
GOOGLE DIDN'T TELL ME ANYTHING, IT JUST SHOWED ME A PICTURE ;) THE BREED COULD BE FB CHI, SHORT, CHAROLAIS OR ONE O' THOSE MILKERS (:)) XXCC's BULL SAYS GRIZZLED AND NARLY LOOKIN
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 03, 2007, 08:31:23 PM
srt the angus ain't that old but the shorthorn is 1911. see if you can guess the shortys name. DL I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHITEY

Ringmaster -

can you determine the breed of whitey?

Isn't the shortie Ringmaster?

Whitey is a Charolais (legs too short for a Chi), purchased in 1965 - a quarter interest for $84,000  - 84 Idaho breeders bought into the action for $1000 each - does that help any ya?

xxcc - give us a hint!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 03, 2007, 08:40:42 PM
srt the angus ain't that old but the shorthorn is 1911. see if you can guess the shortys name. DL I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHITEY

Ringmaster -

can you determine the breed of whitey?

Isn't the shortie Ringmaster?

Whitey is a Charolais (legs too short for a Chi), purchased in 1965 - a quarter interest for $84,000  - 84 Idaho breeders bought into the action for $1000 each - does that help any ya?

xxcc - give us a hint!

YEAH IT'S RINGMASTER...DID YOU LOOK ON THE WEBSITE WITH ALL THE OTHER OLDIES...LOTSA GOOD STUF ON THERE...INTERESTING FAT STEERS,3 FEET TALL (lol)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 03, 2007, 11:33:24 PM
the picture of the narly grizzly simmental was taken the same year as the picture of Covino III in reply #42.

also included here is a scrape from the bottom of the barrel of a bull taken in 1974 -
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 04, 2007, 07:45:34 PM
I'M STAYIN' OUTTA THIS ONE :P
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 04, 2007, 09:53:43 PM
the picture of the narly grizzly simmental was taken the same year as the picture of Covino III in reply #42.

also included here is a scrape from the bottom of the barrel of a bull taken in 1974 -

Is the scrap Elegant?  (Rambler 3M Elegant)

the gnarley Simmie - need another hint

xxcc will try to call you tomorrow  - or try me - today was crazy dl
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 04, 2007, 11:36:02 PM
dl,  if you didn't have that little handy dandy cheat sheet, you're guess may not have come so quickly :)

you got it, taken at stan spicers the same day as Teton's picture.  where's telos when you need him?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 05, 2007, 08:26:21 AM
dl,  if you didn't have that little handy dandy cheat sheet, you're guess may not have come so quickly :)

you got it, taken at stan spicers the same day as Teton's picture.  where's telos when you need him?

Well actually it is the result of my excellent pattern recognition skills!  ;D ;D He was a better looking baby than an adult - a common problem with todays highly promoted bulls! Cna't blame me, a friend gave me the cheat sheet! Now we need a Simmie hint......"
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: garybob on May 05, 2007, 12:56:38 PM
These bulls were all the rage at one time. Funny, how we can look back at the cattle and compare them to today's standards, without looking at our past opinions and putting them side-by-side to our current mindsets for an objective evaluation.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on May 05, 2007, 01:16:05 PM
dl,  if you didn't have that little handy dandy cheat sheet, you're guess may not have come so quickly :)

you got it, taken at stan spicers the same day as Teton's picture.  where's telos when you need him?

I've been here all along, just watching how these bull pics play out. Wishing I had kept all my old Maine paraphernalia, but threw them all away last spring. Thought it would be a fire hazard...Had a large amount collected over the years. It was interesting to see a Cunic son. Had some cows, at one time, trace to that old boy. Hope you keep the pictures coming... that's if you have more.

Talked to Kandee Lucus-Hagerman the other day, because at one time she had photos of all the import bulls. She is always fun to talk to, but you better have unlimited minutes with your phone provider.  XXCC, Kandee gave you and DL an A+ , thumbs up rating, which I already knew!!!  She's been my history teacher when it comes to those imported Maines. Always liked picking her brain and if she didn't know the answers could at least fabricate an interesting story out of it.

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 05, 2007, 09:13:14 PM
Hey Telos - always a pleasure to hear from you - sorry about tossing all your old Maine stuff - with all our computer genius bet we could make you a Christmas CD! I guess my life is a fire hazard!!  ;D Isn't anybody gonn guess on my Charolais bull?  :'( Next time you talk to Kandee tell her I said hiand give her an A+ too!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 05, 2007, 09:24:30 PM
what does google tell you here, farmboy?

OK xxcc - I really don't know my old Simmie's but there is a fullblood Simmie bull called ABRICOT, born in 1971, and you would be the kinda guy who would have his picture and find the satire in showing it after Abricot the MA bull....if that ain't right ya gotta give me another hint!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 05, 2007, 11:01:54 PM
dl, i am not totally 100% sure, I was hoping someone else like farmboy would know for sure, but, I think you are correct and the above Simmi was the sire of Mr. Clean.

here's another.  this bull was stolen, actually, only part of him.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on May 05, 2007, 11:14:45 PM

XXCC, what part of him did the theives steel? He looks like a good bull and those old Simmi people use to talk about a bull named Signal being a good bull. So I'm going to guess, Signal.

We might have to call in a Charolais guru for DL's Charolais bull.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 06, 2007, 12:15:21 AM
i'm going to punt and see if the Char bull was Santa Claus MC20?

nope, not Signal, but I'm sure many Simmi's go back to him.  The bull in question was deceased when something stolen. ???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 06, 2007, 07:30:01 AM
dl, i am not totally 100% sure, I was hoping someone else like farmboy would know for sure, but, I think you are correct and the above Simmi was the sire of Mr. Clean.

here's another.  this bull was stolen, actually, only part of him.

Well I'll be darned - not bad for womeone's whose SImmie bull knowledge is pretty much limited to Black Destiny, 600U and a couple of others - I think "knowing the stealth of the other bull posters" is helpful!. I'll cogitate on your other SImmie bull - any hints?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 06, 2007, 07:38:20 AM
furthering the hint: what does a bull possess that can be stolen once he has been deceased?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 06, 2007, 08:09:54 AM
his semen?  (:))
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on May 06, 2007, 08:29:05 AM
Can't think of his name but the simmy's mounted head was stolen this past year in Canada at Agribition, the Stampede, or which ever show the Simmental Congress was at up there.  He is I think #1 is the US and or Canadian registry.  I believe they also sold a walking cane made from his yoohoo during the sale.  If they haven't found it there was a sizeable reward for the return of the head.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 06, 2007, 09:09:25 AM
no it was not semen, but good thought process.  and it wasn't his hide either, atleast from the neck back.  i'm pretty sure that's still hanging on Don Burnham's wall. so, google wizards, who is he?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 06, 2007, 10:46:31 AM
Parisien ???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: jimmyski on May 06, 2007, 02:59:26 PM
Is the bull Red Baron?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 06, 2007, 05:26:45 PM
yep, farmboy is the google wizard --> http://www.simmentalsforsale.net/simmentalnews.htm
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 06, 2007, 05:44:48 PM
YOU KNOW IT!
I GOOGLED STOLEN SIMMENTAL HEAD, 3rd DOWN.
  ;D
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 06, 2007, 05:55:57 PM
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A BULL OR NOT, BUT HOW IS THAT THING THAT SHORT! :o
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 06, 2007, 09:23:36 PM
YOU KNOW IT!
I GOOGLED STOLEN SIMMENTAL HEAD, 3rd DOWN.
  ;D

Well farmboy I do believe that you are trying the patience of my friend xxcc - so I think we need to re name you ...introducing  GOOGLEBOY - keeping the world safer one beefpaca at a time - able to google any time any where - so now googleboy - who is my Charolais bull??? Finding him will make you the google wizard (which is a step up from googleboy!!)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 07, 2007, 02:20:58 PM
OK, I'M NOT GOOGLEBOY.
I DON'T KNOW THE CHAR. BULL.
GOOGLE USUALLY JUST HAS OFFSPRING OF THE NAME OF THE BULL.
XXCC, I'M JUST NAMIN' THE BULL. THATS THE NAME OF THE GAME AIN'T IT.
NOW, IS THAT A MINIATURE ANGUS OR JUST SHORT BACK THEN.
;)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 07, 2007, 02:45:15 PM
OK, I'M NOT GOOGLEBOY.
I DON'T KNOW THE CHAR. BULL.
GOOGLE USUALLY JUST HAS OFFSPRING OF THE NAME OF THE BULL.
XXCC, I'M JUST NAMIN' THE BULL. THATS THE NAME OF THE GAME AIN'T IT.
NOW, IS THAT A MINIATURE ANGUS OR JUST SHORT BACK THEN.
;)

Actually GB AKA farmboy it is a Newfoundland!! (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: jimmyski on May 07, 2007, 04:09:13 PM
dl,
Is the Charolais bull pictured, BR Duke 261? Not really having any luck looking so that's my best guess.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 07, 2007, 05:44:04 PM
Good guess - do you want a hint or the answer??

The bull was owned by Lloyd Wilder of Fairmont and Winston Wolfendon of Brisco BC, plus 84 Idaho cowboys bought 25% share for 1000 dollars each. He came across the Atlantic (from France) in 1965 on a wine boat and was quarantined on Grosse Ile - I believe the year was 1965.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 07, 2007, 05:54:10 PM
Baldridge Fasttrack 82F
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on May 07, 2007, 08:30:10 PM
UNIVERS U50

URANIUM

VAILLANT ???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 08, 2007, 02:48:37 PM
THREE PAGES IS ENUFF, WHO IS IT DL.
I'M ONLY SUBMITTING BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING ABOUT.
GO SABRES (clapping)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 08, 2007, 06:30:25 PM
FB - only because you asked so nice and picked the right hockey team (not however according to our favorite lawyer MLK 32) will I tell you....

Appollon (sometimes apparently spelled Apollon)

Reg # is M19853

The guy down below I found at ....
http://search.charolaisusa.com/default.aspx

I think the British and their relatives always provided better costumes for their winning livestock than the US

they don't play very good hockey though (although the AUssies have some pretty good bull riders!)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 08, 2007, 08:52:31 PM
DO YOU WANT US TO GUESS THIS ONE OR IS IT THE NAME UNDER THE PIC IN THE JPEG FILE. ???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 08, 2007, 08:55:07 PM
DO YOU WANT US TO GUESS THIS ONE OR IS IT THE NAME UNDER THE PIC IN THE JPEG FILE. ???

No, that's his name, he was the high seller at Perth - I thought the outfit was way cool - you woul never catch him in a purple tube top or a thong! (ps you could guess if you wanted to!!) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 08, 2007, 08:57:24 PM
NAW, IT IS GARRALOON VIDAME...GOOGLED IT ;D
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 08, 2007, 09:09:23 PM
WE'RE BACK TO NAME THE STUD.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on May 08, 2007, 09:40:04 PM

...Thought we agreed not to get over dressed for the photo shoot?  This photo is by Yann Arthus-Bertrand. Picture taken at the Royal Show, England.

C:\Documents and Settings\Tony Smith\Desktop\COW.jpg
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on May 08, 2007, 09:45:57 PM
Ooooooops... Got it too big.
Let's try that again.

C:\Documents and Settings\Tony Smith\Desktop\COW.jpg
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: sjcattleco on May 08, 2007, 09:55:55 PM
is that a man in drag???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 08, 2007, 10:00:07 PM

...Thought we agreed not to get over dressed for the photo shoot?  This photo is by Yann Arthus-Bertrand. Picture taken at the Royal Show, England.

C:\Documents and Settings\Tony Smith\Desktop\COW.jpg


I believe that that picture is froma an absolutely fabulous book!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on May 08, 2007, 10:15:02 PM



SJCC, that's my mother! She might not like your comment right before Mothers Day this Sunday. Oh, happy Mothers Day to all the mothers with people and cows.


Yes DL... That photo along with many other great shots is from Good Breeding, by Yann Arthus-Bertrand.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: aj on May 08, 2007, 10:25:59 PM
Heck, thats my sister. Telos we may be related.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: steers4u on May 08, 2007, 10:58:01 PM
Not a man in drag but......Camilla Parker Bowles!!!!!!!!!lol
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on May 09, 2007, 04:03:19 AM
is that a man in drag???

I really don't know who's at the halter of the Charolais bull.  I guess an artist, like Bertrand, leaves that up to us viewers for interpetation. 

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 09, 2007, 05:08:30 AM
does anyone else notice how really disgusted the bull looks? It's like, who put this Easter egg in front of me?

 (clapping)

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 09, 2007, 10:12:45 AM
WE'RE BACK TO NAME THE STUD.

Looks like Seabiscuit to me - never thought to be a handsome fella, but he could run!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 09, 2007, 03:36:34 PM
TRAINED TO LOSE, RAN TO WIN...TIS' SEABISCUIT (dog)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 09, 2007, 08:30:54 PM
Name the breed and the country of origin (hint Thomas Vanek is from the same country!)   (clapping) (clapping) (clapping)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 09, 2007, 08:41:20 PM
IS IT A Bordelais
ORIGINATED IN DUTCH AND BRETON BLOOD. PERHAPS. I HAVE NO IDEA.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: gocanes719 on May 09, 2007, 10:14:32 PM
Pinzgauer-The Practical Breed
About 500 AD., Alpine herdsmen, who ran their cattle on small, widely scattered, rocky pastures, had begun to develop a breed of red and white cattle from the native red Bavarian cattle. These early cattlemen selected animals that could withstand the harsh conditions and still produce meat and milk. Farmers in the highly productive valleys and other lush areas of Bavaria, developed larger, brown and spotted (flecked) breeds of cattle from the same original, native seedstock. Later in history, Pinzgauer attained their present form and color. The designation "Pinzgauer" drives from the "Pinzgau" district in the province of Salzburg, Austria, and appears for the first time in documents of the 1600's. Herd books dated in the 1700's show that selective breeding had been going on for some time, and there are records of exportations of "Pinzgauer Cattle" to Rumania, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia in the 1820's. In 1871 Pinzgauer cattle were sent to the Paris World Exhibition. In the early 1900's, a number of breeding cattle were exported to South Africa, which has the second largest herd of fullblood animals in the world today.

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 09, 2007, 10:35:39 PM
two can play at that game:)

please identify these cattle and their homeland...2 bonus points if you can identify the herd!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 09, 2007, 11:36:30 PM
Pinzgauer-The Practical Breed
About 500 AD., Alpine herdsmen, who ran their cattle on small, widely scattered, rocky pastures, had begun to develop a breed of red and white cattle from the native red Bavarian cattle. These early cattlemen selected animals that could withstand the harsh conditions and still produce meat and milk. Farmers in the highly productive valleys and other lush areas of Bavaria, developed larger, brown and spotted (flecked) breeds of cattle from the same original, native seedstock. Later in history, Pinzgauer attained their present form and color. The designation "Pinzgauer" drives from the "Pinzgau" district in the province of Salzburg, Austria, and appears for the first time in documents of the 1600's. Herd books dated in the 1700's show that selective breeding had been going on for some time, and there are records of exportations of "Pinzgauer Cattle" to Rumania, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia in the 1820's. In 1871 Pinzgauer cattle were sent to the Paris World Exhibition. In the early 1900's, a number of breeding cattle were exported to South Africa, which has the second largest herd of fullblood animals in the world today.

Good job canes! Now do you know who Thomas Vanek is? (also from Austria) - that would be worth one of xxcc's bonus points!


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Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 10, 2007, 06:31:30 AM
Thomas Vanek; left wingman of your beloved Sabres!
give me those points!!!!

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 10, 2007, 11:50:44 AM
two can play at that game:)

please identify these cattle and their homeland...2 bonus points if you can identify the herd!

If aj and Telos are related and the sister was actually my neice's second cousin twice removed I guess that means that aj and telos and I are related....

ok xxcc (aka wise apple) need a bit of a hint here - pretty cow - she looks grey - is that a breed characteristic or are you a funky photographer? She also looks a little dairy...WE NEED A HINT!

Yup Red you are right and you get some of xxcc's points (he thinks they are his to give away!
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PS Sabres play Ottawa tonight (we find them to be an unpleasant team) ....all together now ---GO SABRES!~


Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 10, 2007, 04:58:52 PM
yep, she is grey.  hint - the pic was not taken in the US.  google question: how many other countries in the world does that leave to choose from?

here's another pic from a different herd, but the same breed.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 10, 2007, 05:02:09 PM
not a Belgium Blue?

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 10, 2007, 08:10:52 PM
MURRAY GREY  ???
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Post by: xxcc on May 10, 2007, 08:35:35 PM
not a murray grey or a belgian blue - or a maine cross for that matter.  murray grey's are an Angus derivative. belgian blues are double muscled, but not quite as bad as these maine deviants  - the pics are of a murray grey, belgian blue and maine.
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Post by: aj on May 10, 2007, 08:48:11 PM
Looks like a blue roan from a white Shorthorn and and angus to me. Are they related to gelbveih,Flekievh(sp.) line of simmental, or something, something, something? Are we talking Germany. Swiss, or France,Irish, or Democrat?
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Post by: DL on May 10, 2007, 09:10:06 PM
Looks like a blue roan from a white Shorthorn and and angus to me. Are they related to gelbveih,Flekievh(sp.) line of simmental, or something, something, something? Are we talking Germany. Swiss, or France,Irish, or Democrat?

I believe that the grey cow in xxcc's picture which he graciously shared with us is a perfect example of the Swedish Slate Gray cow, a dual purpose breed from the hinterlands of Swedeny that is considered rare - there are only 300 in the world and they all belong to Svem Swenson - so it must be his herd. The cows name is Ingrid, she considers herself a liberal Democrat, is anti war, and belongs to no formal church. She also breeds on one service, carries twins (same gender), calves unassisted, weans her weight on grass, and smiles hapily throughout the year. She loves cold weather.
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Post by: OH Breeder on May 10, 2007, 09:18:04 PM
Looks like a blue roan from a white Shorthorn and and angus to me. Are they related to gelbveih,Flekievh(sp.) line of simmental, or something, something, something? Are we talking Germany. Swiss, or France,Irish, or Democrat?

I believe that the grey cow in xxcc's picture which he graciously shared with us is a perfect example of the Swedish Slate Gray cow, a dual purpose breed from the hinterlands of Swedeny that is considered rare - there are only 300 in the world and they all belong to Svem Swenson - so it must be his herd. The cows name is Ingrid, she considers herself a liberal Democrat, is anti war, and belongs to no formal church. She also breeds on one service, carries twins (same gender), calves unassisted, weans her weight on grass, and smiles hapily throughout the year. She loves cold weather.
She is a Capricorn and also likes long walks on the beach. She milks in her spare time. Looking for LTR possible dating........... ;D
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 11, 2007, 12:04:49 AM
actually, i think she is of the conservative type, because she may be so tight you might pop a vein in your forhead attempting to insert your left arm while trying to palpate during preg checking or AI'ing - (ok...so there's a wee bit of a hint built in their, are you quick enough to catch it? ???)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 11, 2007, 12:40:12 AM
actually, i think she is of the conservative type, because she may be so tight you might pop a vein in your forhead attempting to insert your left arm while trying to palpate during preg checking or AI'ing - (ok...so there's a wee bit of a hint built in their, are you quick enough to catch it? ???)

Well, having little arms and able to palpate heifer twin to a bull calves at a very young age - you might pop a veuin, but I likely won't! How about a minature Irish Jersey or better yet a mini Barbee???I am sure there is more hint hidden there but it is almost 2 am and I am not sure why I am not asleep!
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Post by: maine-iac on May 11, 2007, 06:09:10 AM
Just a wild guess - is it a normande? ???
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Post by: red on May 11, 2007, 06:43:10 AM
 (welcome) Maine-iac!
To clear things up, Maine-iac is from Maine. Has never had the marbles so couldn't have lost them!
Glad you joined us anyway!!!

Red (clapping)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on May 11, 2007, 07:21:07 AM
Just a wild guess - is it a normande? ???
So now we know there are 2 maine-iacs - one from Maine and the other with marbles....no wonder he was confused!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 11, 2007, 10:28:23 AM
not small, just tight...wait, maybe it's the people from the country where the cattle are raised that are so tight. how was it put?, i think by Bill Cosby, "People like that are so tight you couldn't pull a needle out of their ass with a tractor."
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: aj on May 11, 2007, 12:32:56 PM
I know Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby is my friend. You sir, are no Bill Cosby. Quote by who?
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Post by: DL on May 11, 2007, 06:39:11 PM
I don't know Bill Cosby but I remember fat Albert.....

The cow in question is the famous Scottish dual purpose Blue Grey cow (AKA Blue-Grey) which is an actual breed over there and is a cross between white shorthorn bull  and a Galloway cow....the cow in question Doris is from the  Blue Greys at Ardjachie, situated near Tain on the shores of the Dornoch Firth in the North of Scotland.

Gimme the prize!!


actually pretty interesting, wierd clues though!
http://www.whitebredshorthorn.com/bluegrey/index.html
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Post by: Zach on May 11, 2007, 07:54:56 PM
DID YOU GOOGLE THAT  :P
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Post by: DL on May 11, 2007, 08:22:06 PM
DID YOU GOOGLE THAT  :P

not directly - since I had no idea what I was looking for (guess I could have googled blue cow ;D) -I figured xxcc was talking about Scotland (funny when someone says tight rectum I think cows...) so I started looking for Scottish cows that were not Scottish Highland - and just kept following leads til I found ol' Doris.  ;D

Had a thought while moving fence though ...we know Galloway were reported to have TH before Shorthorns were reported to have TH
We don't have Galloway samples so we don't know if the defect is the same or different (sorta like PHA in Maines and Dexters - same gene 2 mutations so Maine breeders can rest assured that we aren't raising Dexters and vice versa)

Wouldn't it be a wierd twist of fate if Shorthorn TH came to the breed from Galloways via the BlueGrey??? ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 12, 2007, 11:32:26 PM
i googled this -->

An Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman went into a bar and ordered a whisky each.
They were just about to sip on their lovely malts when three flies buzzed in and plop, plop, plop, they each fell into a glass.
Well the Englishman is so repulsed he pushes his way.
The Irishman fishes his out and continues drinking quite unperturbed.
The Scotsman picks the fly out of his glass and holds it up by it's wings, shaking it violently shrieking at it:
"Spit it oot, spit it oot ya wee little bastard!!!"

"They often speak of my drinking, but never think of my thirst!' - old Scottish Proverb
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 14, 2007, 01:27:28 PM
XXCC may the ghost of my Scottish grandmother haunt you w/ a band of 100 bagpipe players!!

Red

Give us some bulls!!!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Chap on May 14, 2007, 04:25:27 PM
not a bull, but does share the name of one
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 14, 2007, 07:03:45 PM
Any help on year or breed?
Cool looking steer though! Really happy kid!

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: itk on May 14, 2007, 07:10:23 PM
not a bull, but does share the name of one

As a KSU alum I am insulted that this is even a challenge. For any one who has ever been around cattle this picture should be ingrained in their memory. For on this day in Chicago the cattle industry changed forever thank you Dr. Don Good.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 14, 2007, 07:13:40 PM
 (:))

OK, ITK beat me w/ a wet noodle! I'm blank but that is not unusual!

Also tell us about the Future Sale you have as your signature.

Red
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Post by: jimmyski on May 14, 2007, 07:15:44 PM
That is very true "itk", I knew the steer was picked by Dr. Good but for the life of me I couldn't remember the steers name. It was "Conoco", he weighed 1250 lbs. was a yield grade 2, and quality graded out choice. He was a Charolais/Angus Cross. Definitely a high quality steer.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 14, 2007, 07:20:34 PM
CONOCCO (sp) THAT WAS ON THE LINK I POSTED A WHILE AGO
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: jimmyski on May 14, 2007, 07:25:24 PM
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS A BULL OR NOT, BUT HOW IS THAT THING THAT SHORT! :o


That is a bull, it is Prince Peer 15 RLS, Junior and Grand Champion bull in Ft. Worth 1955. Alot of good stories found on Harlan Ritchie's website: http://www.msu.edu/~ritchieh/historical/cattletype.html
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 14, 2007, 07:34:35 PM
Great Jimmy! appreciate the link & information. I had actually forgotten Harlan's site.

Yes, ITK- I should have known!

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: itk on May 14, 2007, 07:41:27 PM
That is very true "itk", I knew the steer was picked by Dr. Good but for the life of me I couldn't remember the steers name. It was "Conoco", he weighed 1250 lbs. was a yield grade 2, and quality graded out choice. He was a Charolais/Angus Cross. Definitely a high quality steer.

To elaborate even more about the posts this was the first time a cross-bred steer won a major show. His victory allowed cross breeding to become more acceptable a concept. That seems common place now but was unheard of at the time. As mentioned above he hung a carcass that is almost ideal to today's standards. I've know Don almost my whole life but it was not until I got older that I realized what an impact the man had on the cattle industry. He was always just the grandpa of a girl I went to high school with to me.

The "Funding the Future" sale is a new fund raising concept for the AJSA. Shorthorn breeders from across the country have donated semen, flushes and embryos that will be sold at an auction held in conjunction with Jr. Nationals. All proceeds from the sale will be donated to the AJSA. For more information and a sale catalog look at the sale page on the ASA website.
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Post by: cowz on May 15, 2007, 10:46:16 AM
 (welcome)  Welcome to the board itk!

Was the sire of the Conoco steer the MCF Conoco line out of Leroy Meyers of Maryland??  I did look at Harlan Ritchey's site.....great compilation of cattle history.

Don't worry.  We do have glimpses of intellegent life on this board.  I think everyone has been very busy with "real life" the last few weeks, and everybody is on the run.  Look back in some of our archives and you will find some meaningful discussions. Please feel free to comment on some of our older discussions.  You may find and angle that was not brought up!!   Any new topics are more than welcomed!

 We are not always this silly, but it has been a rough spring and it seems we all need a little frivolity to cheer ourselves up!
Cowz
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on May 15, 2007, 11:06:26 AM
even a link to the white heifer (my avatar) is on ritchie's site.

anyone know what they are doing with the old line bred shortorns at ksu, or are they gone now?
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Post by: itk on May 15, 2007, 01:09:00 PM
They have not had shorthorns at KSU for along time now. However they still have many of the artifacts from their shorthorn days around and they are really neat to look at. Right now they run angus, herefords and simmy's. I don't think we will ever see them back there again. It is kind of sad when you look at the impact that the herd and many of the people at KSU had on the shorthorn breed in the early to mid 1900's.
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Post by: red on May 15, 2007, 01:15:04 PM
ITK, that would be a really interesting topic for someone to write! I love reading about the beginnings of some of the breeds & their evolution. We are always looking for people to write pieces for our front page. Know you're extremely busy but keep it in the back of your mind if you'd ever like to do it!

Red
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Post by: itk on May 15, 2007, 01:46:34 PM
Red, here are a few things to wet your appetite while I can work something up. The shorthorns at KSU were donated to the univerity by Tomson Bros. The same Tomson as Harding and Harding fame. I also got my hands on an old herd book from England with a list of members. The first person listed is the Queen. For everything shorthorn from Booth to Bates to the "White Heifer That Showed" and the twins that got us the now famous polled shorthorns I would suggest reading History of Shorthorn Cattle by James Sinclair and for Elbee if he doesn't own it or hasn't read it Kansas Shorthorns; A history of the breed from 1857 to 1920 by G.A. Laude. By the way the white heifer was a free martin it is rumored that she was so fat that after a victory they would pour the beverage of choice down the groove in her back and drink it out with straws.
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Post by: red on May 15, 2007, 01:55:24 PM
is that the one that traveled the world?
Some really interesting things you've given us. I'm sure elbee, Gary Bob, Scott & the other Shorthorn people have read the books but I'll look into them. Harlan's site was full of great information too. He has some slides of older Maine bull from Franch that i'd love to get my paws on!

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on May 19, 2007, 08:09:57 AM
i liked this post so much, i wanted to see it bumped to the top again :)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 19, 2007, 08:19:14 AM
where's the bull?

 (welcome)

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 19, 2007, 03:49:21 PM
I READ SOMEWHERE ELSE THERE WAS NEVER A PIC OF TOTAL PLAY...IS THIS TRUE  :o I THINK A BULL WHO'S SEMEN WAS ON E-BAY FOR $2000 PER WOULD HAVE HIS OWN PICTURE :)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on May 22, 2007, 11:50:40 AM
FINALLY. NO DL ON THIS ONE
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Post by: red on May 22, 2007, 11:56:29 AM
too easy since Cowz had just posted him on an earlier thread!
HooDoo Slasher 1144
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Chap on May 22, 2007, 12:56:50 PM
here we go again.  Lets try this one. 
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Post by: Zach on May 22, 2007, 01:00:21 PM
PARICES, RED I KNEW THAT. YOU WAZN'T SUPPOSED TO GIVE IT AWAY :D
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Post by: red on May 22, 2007, 01:01:22 PM
duh, I didn't read through the lines Farmboy!
Out of school already?

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Chap on May 22, 2007, 01:23:17 PM
another, and a bit tougher
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Post by: garybob on May 22, 2007, 01:29:28 PM
Leachman Saughahachee?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Chap on May 22, 2007, 01:49:26 PM
try again on the angus, a bit earlier than saugahatchee
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Post by: Zach on May 22, 2007, 01:57:12 PM
duh, I didn't read through the lines Farmboy!
Out of school already?

Red
SCHOOLS OUT FOREVER! WELL, ONLY EXACTLY 3 MONTHS :-\
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: gocanes719 on May 22, 2007, 02:31:25 PM
Is the Simmental Papillon?
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Post by: Zach on May 22, 2007, 03:25:16 PM
NO ITS PARICES
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Post by: Chap on May 23, 2007, 07:49:11 AM
The simmental is still waiting for the correct name, not Parices nor Papillon.  The Angus is up for grabs as well
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Post by: Zach on May 23, 2007, 11:20:56 AM
HERE, MIGHT BE A LITTLE DARK
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Post by: Zach on May 23, 2007, 11:22:02 AM
HERS A NOTHER
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Post by: frostback on May 23, 2007, 11:28:07 AM
The shorthorn is Phildon XS.
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Post by: Zach on May 23, 2007, 11:49:46 AM
YES
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Post by: Chap on May 23, 2007, 01:19:31 PM
is the black chi bull above Phildon XS ....... Impulse?
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Post by: Zach on May 23, 2007, 03:08:41 PM
ARGGGG! FOILED AGAIN BY THE OLD CHAP. WAS IT THE CHIANGUS SIGN IN THE BACKGROUND?
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Post by: genes on May 23, 2007, 09:33:00 PM
The Angus reminds me of our bull.....maybe they are related....if only someone would say who it is  (lol)
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Post by: CJB on May 24, 2007, 07:51:41 AM
I do believe that the simmental is Signal
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Post by: Chap on May 24, 2007, 11:29:36 AM
Right on CJB. The Simmental is SIGNAL.  The angus bull was used heavily in the early to mid 1990's, hint that gives it away ..... he was bred and carries the same prefix as Freedom 104.  Any takers?
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Post by: CJB on May 24, 2007, 12:21:34 PM
Pretty sure that the angus bull hails from TC Ranch, and is known by the name of TC Dividend 963
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on May 24, 2007, 12:27:12 PM
huh, another 23-4 bull on the bottom
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Post by: CJB on May 24, 2007, 12:44:39 PM
Any takers on this old boy?
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Post by: Chap on May 24, 2007, 05:10:16 PM
Precision E161?
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Post by: CJB on May 25, 2007, 07:19:36 AM
Nope, E161 is pretty young compared to this old boy.
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Post by: Zach on May 25, 2007, 10:15:56 AM
BUSHWACKER?
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Post by: Zach on May 25, 2007, 10:20:17 AM
HERE IS TWO FOR GUESSIN
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Post by: Chap on May 25, 2007, 10:30:31 AM
DHD Traveler 6807 and Bon View Bando 598 in that order
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Post by: Zach on May 25, 2007, 10:56:26 AM
ARHHGGGGG! CORRECT
(http://www.smileyvillage.com/smilies/tongue0024.gif) (http://www.smileyvillage.com)
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Post by: Zach on May 25, 2007, 11:03:06 AM
RED AND WHITE
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Post by: frostback on May 25, 2007, 11:20:55 AM
buster
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Post by: CJB on May 25, 2007, 11:26:59 AM
The bull I'm asking about isn't an Angus bull, just to help you all out a little bit
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Post by: Chap on May 25, 2007, 11:33:17 AM
CJB, After I went back and looked at him again, I was thinking Simmental not Angus.  I want to say Irish Black Knight but can't find any pics of him to verify my guess? Am I close?
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Post by: genes on May 25, 2007, 12:47:28 PM
The office I had for awhile last year had a whole bunch of old semen catalogs on a shelf....I should have asked if I could have them.  It would have been fun for this game.  Oh and plus, I've been making my own collection since I was like 10...so it would have fit.  Wonder if they are still there  ???
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Post by: xxcc on May 25, 2007, 05:44:43 PM
ok, this will be the buzz bull for a little bit.

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Post by: DL on May 25, 2007, 05:53:20 PM
ok, this will be the buzz bull for a little bit.



That would be Dalton (I knew that before I read his name below the picture! ;D)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on May 25, 2007, 05:56:45 PM
XXCC is slipping!
Do we have a picture of his sire?

Red
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Post by: Zach on May 25, 2007, 08:38:23 PM
XXCC, CAPTAIN OBVIOUS ;D YOU SAVED IT AS ITS NAME!  :P
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Post by: xxcc on May 25, 2007, 09:22:58 PM
 :-\ ooops.  maybe my brain was tied up with a more important mystery.  atleast i got three (what I feel three very important) cornerstones knocked out of the PHA castle with this last round of testing.  hopefully, this will help us slay the dragon.

wouldn't it be ironic if dl was the spearhead of slaying the pha dragon?
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Post by: CJB on May 25, 2007, 09:31:24 PM
CJB, After I went back and looked at him again, I was thinking Simmental not Angus.  I want to say Irish Black Knight but can't find any pics of him to verify my guess? Am I close?

Sorry Chap, but Irish black Knight is too young to be this guy.  He was born in 1981, and sired one of the breeds most influential sires.   :o
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Post by: Zach on May 25, 2007, 09:50:50 PM
Mr. Black GX6W   
 SIRE OF 734
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Post by: CJB on May 29, 2007, 11:48:58 AM
Sorry Farmboy, not 734's daddy, but I would like to see a pic of him if anyone has one.

The bull in the pic is 600u's sire.
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Post by: knabe on May 29, 2007, 01:35:42 PM
any monkey mouth free linebred sons of  Cunia? and are the direct offspring of Cunia known to have monkey mouth?
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Post by: Chap on May 29, 2007, 01:45:06 PM
so the simmi bull in question a couple pages back is LANDRIDGE JET BLACK .  I had never seen him before.  Thanks for the history lesson. 
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Post by: SRU on May 29, 2007, 03:34:08 PM
a neighbor has several chill factor cows.  as far as i know, has no monkey mouth problems.  he bred a few of them, 5 or 6, back to him last fall.  is that enough cunia for ya.
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Post by: knabe on May 29, 2007, 03:43:37 PM
thanks sru.  my neighbor has had a few cunia's over the years. never bred back to something closely related and had problems either.  i want to include chill factor or cunia in a flush to my super low bw high volume midas cow that i would like to put that cunia shoulder on, get that stifle, and moderate the cunia bw.  i really like cunia's topline shape, flatness and bigness of bone, tall flank.  of the ones i've seen, the scapula just sits nice.  i also like how he is both in front and behind his shoulders and where his head is in realtion to that.

more cunia.
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Post by: iowa on May 29, 2007, 04:01:39 PM
Knabe, 

monkey mouth must be one of the defects Tim Ohlde was referring to when I talked to him about the Maine Anjou breed.  He told me that he did line breeding of some Maines when they first imported them and had several defects show up. He said the Maine's immune system was the worst among all the cattle he had worked. He said there was a professor at K State that also used to say the same thing about the Maines immune system. 
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Post by: knabe on May 29, 2007, 04:16:03 PM
now that you mention that about immune system, i seem to remember that.  i wonder if that can be attributed to a nutritional factor disguised by more complete mineral products.  I wonder if the same observation could be verified in europe.

noticed this in a catalog about cunia 602

He has a sheath tear and has been unable to breed or collect semen for the last year. We are presently attempting to have that repaired at Kansas State. 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: stick on May 31, 2007, 04:48:51 PM
Here's one for you. Sorry about the quality. He's a Shorthorn, and was much better as a mature bull than his baby picture shows.
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on May 31, 2007, 04:53:11 PM
Here's one for you. Sorry about the quality. He's a Shorthorn, and was much better as a mature bull than his baby picture shows.

Is it a Waukaru bull...he looks like hes got the "Gold Ship" head
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Post by: stick on May 31, 2007, 04:55:27 PM
no, but I think they used him
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on May 31, 2007, 05:02:57 PM
I'm probably waaay off, but my current guess is Ar Su Lu Vann                Okay, if I'm wrong, could you give a hint...like any famous progeny or something haha.  This is going to be tough...alot of those big red bulls don't have alot of baby pics....
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Post by: clifflem on May 31, 2007, 05:08:52 PM
HS Rodeo Drive
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on May 31, 2007, 05:12:58 PM
HS Rodeo Drive

If that's him, I'm going to be kicking myself...I was so close to saying that...but I think you might be right...lol
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: stick on May 31, 2007, 05:17:07 PM
I owe you a cold one Cliffie (if I can borrow a line from Cheers), Rodeo Drive taken from the Hoyt & Sons sale catalog from 1987.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 04, 2007, 08:19:11 PM
BRINGIN BACK NAME THE BULL
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Post by: OH Breeder on June 04, 2007, 10:26:18 PM
Traveler 8607
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Post by: Zach on June 05, 2007, 11:50:20 AM
NOPE, CHECK THE PREVIOUS PAGE
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Post by: Zach on June 06, 2007, 04:43:20 PM
NO GUESSES?

HERES ANOTHER
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Post by: yuppiecowboy on June 06, 2007, 05:28:01 PM
QAS Traveler 23-4
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Post by: Zach on June 06, 2007, 08:16:13 PM
QAS Traveler 23-4

CORRECT!
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Post by: xxcc on June 06, 2007, 09:08:30 PM
not sure who it is, but #364 looks like some kind of a whiskey influence to me.
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Post by: Zach on June 06, 2007, 09:26:43 PM
HINT: PHA POSITIVE
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Post by: DL on June 08, 2007, 08:16:38 PM
This one is for Bluegrass and knabe ;D
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Post by: Zach on June 08, 2007, 08:21:18 PM
MINE IS THE PIC OF DRAFT PICK ON CATTLE.COM
Title: Re:farmboy's pic
Post by: afhm on June 08, 2007, 09:06:11 PM
Actually farmboy your bull pic is DCC Top Draft, a Draft Pick grandson, the same pic can be found on Derouchey's website.   He is misidentified on cattle.com.
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Post by: Zach on June 08, 2007, 09:20:16 PM
IV'E FOUND ITS LIKE THAT ALOT ON CATTLE.COM/SORRY :-\

I THINK IM GULLIBAL ;)
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Post by: DL on June 08, 2007, 09:21:07 PM
ahfm - thanks! I knew he wasn't DP but I couldn't figure out who he was! Here's another one for ya!
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Post by: Zach on June 08, 2007, 09:48:34 PM
NO MISTAKEN IDENITY HERE
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Post by: afhm on June 09, 2007, 08:51:53 AM
#373 I am pretty sure is a younger pic of Draft Pick.  #374 is Take Charge the sire of Who Made Who.
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Post by: Zach on June 09, 2007, 11:45:36 AM
RIGHT
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Post by: Zach on June 09, 2007, 11:49:05 AM
IM NOT TRYIN TO MAKE THESE HARD (pop)
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Post by: DL on June 09, 2007, 12:21:30 PM
#373 I am pretty sure is a younger pic of Draft Pick.  #374 is Take Charge the sire of Who Made Who.

afhm - You are GOOD! Absolutely correct, now for the bonus point what was Draft Picks "real" name (ie the bull formerly known as...

farmboy - you may be gullible but you do add a bit of spark to the planet ;D.
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Post by: afhm on June 09, 2007, 01:07:02 PM
# 377 is one of my favorites as well as one of the most famous and all time greats Full Flush (original not one of the clones).  I have no idea wha Draft Picks original name was.
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Post by: Zach on June 09, 2007, 02:06:58 PM
DID DRAFTPICK USE TO BE A LAMB RAM (clapping)
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Post by: red on June 09, 2007, 02:07:57 PM
maybe that was in his second or third life!

Red
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Post by: SRU on June 09, 2007, 08:21:33 PM
calberta bootie call.  don't know how i know that.
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Post by: afhm on June 09, 2007, 09:02:39 PM
SRU that would have been Black Impact's original name.  Draft Pick was raised by the Wise family, ZTA prefix.  I still have no idea on what is was.
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Post by: Zach on June 09, 2007, 09:06:03 PM
AS FAR AS I KNOW, THIS MIGHT BE A TRICK QUESTION (:))
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Post by: DL on June 09, 2007, 10:04:53 PM
ZTA BLACK  POWDER
I have no idea how I know that! and I know Ali had another name but I can't remember it either!
No trick question, just like the Artist Formerly Known as Prince .....the bull formerly known as..
.
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Post by: Gypsy on June 10, 2007, 08:17:07 AM
Ali was Maximum or Maximus  ??? I think.
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 10, 2007, 09:59:06 AM
Here's one...two part question..  Radioactive.   Name the breeder and his original name.
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Post by: afhm on June 10, 2007, 12:35:45 PM
Radio Active aka Top Gun.  Ali was Maximus, I remember that from Denver that year, he was on my list to try and buy.
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 10, 2007, 02:18:50 PM
afhm...you have skills, my friend.  Now for the second part...who is the breeder of Radioactive a.k.a. "Top Gun"?
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Post by: SRU on June 10, 2007, 02:22:27 PM
Moore's.  His prefix is MM.  I think Kelsey is listed as the breeder.  She showed a full sister in Lawton.
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 10, 2007, 02:50:43 PM
Ding Ding! That one was pretty easy considering we have alot of Shorthorn breeders on the board!
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Post by: DL on June 10, 2007, 03:48:21 PM
OK - this is one of my favorite bulls - considered to have an "outcross" pedigree....
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Post by: Zach on June 10, 2007, 04:08:58 PM
 O0HINT O0
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Post by: DL on June 10, 2007, 05:41:03 PM
He's a Maine....does that help? His name is the same as an old TV show (B&W) that featured a St Bernard.....does that help? (clapping) (clapping)
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Post by: Zach on June 10, 2007, 06:08:26 PM
TOPPER? ???
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Post by: red on June 10, 2007, 06:35:19 PM
DL- all I'm coming up w/ is BJ & the Bear. but he was a monkey or chimp?
Can't remember is it was the Bear or BJ!  (lol)
Red
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Post by: Zach on June 10, 2007, 06:53:39 PM
a
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Post by: Telos on June 10, 2007, 07:18:37 PM

Farmboy how did you get Topper so quick?
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Post by: DL on June 10, 2007, 08:33:01 PM
TOPPER? ???

Farmboy - You got it- good job and nice bull dont ya think?

Telos - either he googled it; he is really as old as I am and remembered the TV show; or perhaps he remembered I said something about liking Topper or he guessed ...in any event the kid is good - a titch peculiar but a lovely addition to the planet ;D
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Post by: Telos on June 10, 2007, 09:05:00 PM

Farmboy, you're flat out good... but how did you figure Topper so quickly?
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Post by: cornbread on June 10, 2007, 09:45:11 PM
397=sunseeker
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Post by: xxcc on June 10, 2007, 09:58:22 PM
DL, in regard to your earlier post, you probably knew that because, in the May/June 2000 herd issue of the Voice picture was d a black bull captioned ZTA Black Powder 338Y (aka Draft Pick).
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Post by: DL on June 10, 2007, 11:20:36 PM
DL, in regard to your earlier post, you probably knew that because, in the May/June 2000 herd issue of the Voice picture was d a black bull captioned ZTA Black Powder 338Y (aka Draft Pick).

thanks xxcc I knew I had seen it somewhere but couldn't remember where...
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Post by: Zach on June 11, 2007, 08:21:16 AM

Farmboy, you're flat out good... but how did you figure Topper so quickly?

;D  FOUND SOMTHIN BOUT A LIQUOR SIPPIN DOG AND TOPPER IS IN THE AMAA BORN '77
VERY NICE LOOKING BULL TOO
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Post by: afhm on June 11, 2007, 08:47:53 PM
Anybody remember this one?
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Post by: Zach on June 11, 2007, 09:24:03 PM
HINT ???


straight guess: irish whiskey
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Post by: Zach on June 11, 2007, 09:34:50 PM
BULL!
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Post by: afhm on June 11, 2007, 10:12:20 PM
#405 went to Denver in 99 and is a high maine.
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Post by: OH Breeder on June 11, 2007, 10:50:41 PM
#405 went to Denver in 99 and is a high maine.

Hotline I am thinking...
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Post by: yuppiecowboy on June 11, 2007, 11:07:31 PM
viper
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Post by: SRU on June 11, 2007, 11:24:59 PM
asp
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Post by: SRU on June 11, 2007, 11:35:44 PM
please ignore that last post. i take several pain pills to be able to sleep. viper popped up at the top of a page and i thought i was reading the word association game when i replied with asp to viper. hopefully after july 10 i will be able to function again without having to take a dozen pills a day.  sorry for the confusion!
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Post by: red on June 12, 2007, 06:59:15 AM
SRU- pain is no fun & the pills make things worse sometimes! Take it from me, any relief you can get- take it!
Best of luck.

Red
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Post by: Zach on June 12, 2007, 12:09:42 PM
VIPER'S A CHUNK AIN'T HE :o
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Post by: afhm on June 12, 2007, 02:11:07 PM
not Hotline.
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Post by: Zach on June 12, 2007, 03:02:59 PM
BIG TIMBER  ???

ANOTHER FOR GUESSIN BUT PROBABLY EASY
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Post by: afhm on June 12, 2007, 03:11:02 PM
#416 is Play Ray and no 405 is not Big Timber, keep guessing when you get this one I have a few others I'll try and stump you with.
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Post by: DL on June 12, 2007, 10:16:04 PM
Is 405 Top Pick?
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Post by: afhm on June 12, 2007, 10:19:40 PM
405 is not Top Pick, but he is a Draft Pick son.
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Post by: xxcc on June 13, 2007, 01:42:46 AM
correct me if i'm wrong, but he #405 is out of a Stilts cow and is the sire to atleast lot 89 in Thrasher's sale this year.  as a matter of fact, I'll have a cup...:)
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Post by: afhm on June 13, 2007, 09:45:57 AM
xxcc you got it.  Now how about this one?
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Post by: Zach on June 13, 2007, 10:18:32 AM
WHAT WAS THE NAME ???


HINT ::)
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Post by: afhm on June 13, 2007, 10:27:00 AM
Java.
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Post by: Zach on June 13, 2007, 01:34:12 PM
THIS LOOKS LIKE A FULL FLUSH ETC. ETC. INFLUENCED BULL
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Post by: afhm on June 13, 2007, 02:02:11 PM
Nope 421 is not Flush influenced.  He and Flush share a common ancester several generations back.  He would have been in Denver back in 1995.  He was given probably the coolest bull name ever.
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Post by: DL on June 13, 2007, 05:42:36 PM
This one is from knabe - he thought it might be a Beefpaca, but alas he was incorrect!
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Post by: red on June 13, 2007, 05:44:10 PM
the banner reads Llama for Obama!

 (lol)
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Post by: xxcc on June 14, 2007, 12:12:06 AM
maybe "black ice"? :-\
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Post by: afhm on June 14, 2007, 01:59:57 PM
Not Black Ice but I almost put him up there.  This one is more Chi than Maine.
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Post by: DL on June 14, 2007, 02:15:51 PM
OK all these young black hairy nicely coiffed well photographed tastefully touched up bulls look swell but they begin to look all the same - ahfm - got something different? with a little character perhaps? (pop)
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Post by: knabe on June 14, 2007, 05:00:11 PM
there should be a section "guess the background" :)
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Post by: afhm on June 14, 2007, 11:14:55 PM
Evidently guessing #421's identity is reflective of his name.  Try this one then it ought to as easy as taking candy from a baby.
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Post by: DL on June 14, 2007, 11:22:26 PM
GRIZZ?
(I only take candy from adults - babies bite!


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Post by: afhm on June 14, 2007, 11:24:57 PM
Try this controversial one.
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Post by: justintime on June 15, 2007, 12:15:35 AM
Is that Tex Prime Time?
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Post by: afhm on June 15, 2007, 09:35:39 AM
not him
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Post by: DL on June 15, 2007, 11:14:32 AM
We need hints!
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Post by: Zach on June 15, 2007, 12:49:23 PM
YES! WE DO! ???
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Post by: afhm on June 15, 2007, 03:30:59 PM
Obviously he is a horned hereford.  His pedigree is unclear.  He is syndicated.  One of his owners is now in the southeast after having ranches in several midwestern states and Texas.  The ranch has changed hands several times but its infamous name has remained intact and luckily this mystery bull did to after he almost lost his manhood in a clipper accident in Denver.
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Post by: afhm on June 15, 2007, 03:36:07 PM
Back to #421.  Since no one has correctly guessed, I will tell you that this Total Play son's name is Tuffer N' Hell.
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Post by: DL on June 15, 2007, 07:30:17 PM
afhm - what I know about herefords would fit on the head of a pin, so you gonna have to give more of a hint! How about this one, just for you!
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Post by: itk on June 15, 2007, 07:54:58 PM
Is that Tex Prime Time?


That is to cool Weston Born was my juco roomate. So I know the Prime Time story inside and out. All I'm going to say is the Borns are one of the most honest families I have ever met. They have some great hereford cows and now am proud to say some great shorthorns. I also got the privilege to judge with Jeff Latimer from Remmitall, Cory from ANL Polled Herefords, Jeff Lees from Blair Athol, and Chad Wilson from Haroldson's Polled Herefords. My brother was also the herdsman for Mohican West for a year, so I hate to admit that I know more about herefords then a non-breeder should. Those Canucks could sure see cattle and Chad might be the best common sense cattle evaluator I have ever been around. Still I must have a soft spot for the breed because I think Online was the best bull I have ever seen and my all time favorite female is Haroldson's Destiny.
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Post by: DL on June 15, 2007, 09:48:15 PM
ITK - now I am completely confused  ??? ??? What is the bull's name? Just about the only Hereford bull I knowis Online and he is a heck of a bull, and I have seen some nice females sired by him. But everything else that is going on with this bull has left me confused ??? ??? ???
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Post by: afhm on June 15, 2007, 09:59:54 PM
434's name has to do with a company George Foreman is a spokesperson for.
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Post by: Zach on June 15, 2007, 10:23:14 PM
"Advance Domino 3"  ???
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Post by: afhm on June 15, 2007, 10:24:40 PM
nope
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Post by: Zach on June 15, 2007, 10:55:09 PM
THAT WAS A GUESS FOR DL'S BULL

DL- YOUR NOT ALONE, I AM ALSO CONFUSED (I FIND MYSELF LIKE THAT ALOT (lol) )
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Post by: red on June 16, 2007, 07:53:56 AM
Poor Red! too many bulls!!!

 (:))


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Post by: itk on June 16, 2007, 07:57:51 AM
ITK - now I am completely confused  ??? ??? What is the bull's name? Just about the only Hereford bull I knowis Online and he is a heck of a bull, and I have seen some nice females sired by him. But everything else that is going on with this bull has left me confused ??? ??? ???

Sorry for the confusion DL I didn't have a guess for the name the bull. I just thought it was cool that someone mentioned Tex Prime Time and one of my roommate's family bred him. Then I proceeded to spill my guts about my guilty pleasure, herefords. Didn't mean to get off subject but this board dose it to people sometimes.
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Post by: red on June 16, 2007, 08:05:45 AM
What, Get off the topic?
No never here ;)

Did enjoy the post ITK!

Red
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Post by: DL on June 16, 2007, 08:27:29 AM
ahhh- a moment of clarity! thanks itk now I am up to snuff (so to speak) - off the topic is fine I was trying to relate it to afhm's post and it was clear as mud (wish we had some mud - could use rain).

farmboy - the bull was purchased in the 1950's from New Mexico - no Domino in his name

afhm - old George does the grill (Salton) and Meinike - maybe the bull's name is Broken Muffler Domno or how about Grill Your Chicken Online
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Post by: afhm on June 16, 2007, 10:36:23 AM
Think mufflers.
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Post by: Telos on June 16, 2007, 01:30:46 PM


That has to be Midas.
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Post by: afhm on June 16, 2007, 01:58:07 PM
Yes it is Ankonian Midas.
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Post by: DL on June 16, 2007, 04:24:50 PM
ahhh - another moment of clarity ----when I think of George I think of grills and when I think of mufflers I was thinking of scarves and when I think of Midas I think of the Maine bull DF Midas so as you can see some of the interpretations are a bit off! I actually (reason unclear to me) have heard of the bull. So what is the story? Is it another one of those sho's your daddy deals? I noticed you haven't guessed on my bull....the other horned hereford.

Good job Telos - you are the man!
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Post by: Zach on June 16, 2007, 04:56:12 PM
TRUST THE MIDAS TOUCH (CATCHY JINGLE :P)
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Post by: afhm on June 16, 2007, 10:27:44 PM
CAn't remember the whole story but he didn't blood type, and imo in person he didn't look like your typical hereford.  He definately didn't have hereford hair.  No doubt about it he is a good one though.  I don't know very much about herefords just a couple of the newer ones is why I haven't guessed.  I only put Midas on here because you complained my bulls didn't have any character.  If a bull that was a many time champion, that doesn't blood type and had his testicles accidently sliced open with a pair of sheepheads yet still produces semen doesn't have character I might have to give up.
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Post by: DL on June 17, 2007, 08:28:28 AM
Good story & great character! Here is one for you.....xxcc - you can't play on this one..

hint - he is an embryo and there is more to the story....
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 09:54:55 AM

                    DL, your new bull  wouldn't happen to have only one full sister? 

       
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 10:49:04 AM
ITVAC  ???
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Post by: stick on June 17, 2007, 10:57:53 AM
Here's one I've been looking for and finally found. This get of sire weighed in at over 10,000 pounds. Name the sire, and the four bulls pictured. Bonus points for the weights of each.
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Post by: DL on June 17, 2007, 12:16:21 PM

                    DL, your new bull  wouldn't happen to have only one full sister? 

       

Yes Telos - I full sister and the group of them were the first Maine-ANjou embryos implanted in North America - if I recall the story right there were 10 recips ready - the cow had 20 grade 1 embryos (this was before freezing) 10 were implanted, 8 stuck, one was a heifer and all the rest bulls - one bull died as a baby.....I suspect you know who he is!! ;D ;D
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 12:25:23 PM

I don't know wich one exactly. Maybe Farm Boy or one of the other pedigree wizards can take a stab at him. This will be a true test for Farm Boy.
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Post by: DL on June 17, 2007, 12:34:15 PM

I don't know wich one exactly. Maybe Farm Boy or one of the other pedigree wizards can take a stab at him. This will be a true test for Farm Boy.

OK Farmboy do your magic!
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 12:56:15 PM

Farm Boy, Ivac... that is one bull you don't see in everyday Maine- Anjou pedigrees. You now have plenty of hints on DL's bull.  Get after it.   ;D
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Post by: DL on June 17, 2007, 01:33:50 PM
OK stick - we need a hint - unless these guys are midgets these are mighty big bulls! 2500 plus apiece!

Farmboy - Ivac is a medical device - pressure is on now - we are counting on you......
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 03:15:52 PM

Sorry, my mistake. Farm Boy wrote Itvac and not Ivac. Sometimes my frontal cortex doesn't get connected to the spelling part of my brain and spell check doesn't work on most of these French Maine-Anjou names.   ???
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 03:34:13 PM
REGISTRAITION 84
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Post by: stick on June 17, 2007, 04:09:16 PM
1986, probably needed a step ladder to do the tops. Sire was an appendix bull, raised by Grahams in Minnesota. Controversial bull at the time. Some loved him, others hated him.
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 04:35:06 PM

Farm Boy, I know you're biting at the bit for a hint by now. The prefix on DL's bull might be associated with conifers. At least one full brother did not have this prefix.
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Post by: DL on June 17, 2007, 07:30:34 PM
ah, farmboy, you thought you were being clever - saw the 84 and figured it was his reg # (MB84) but alas young man, it is his within herd number .....the first Maine embryos were done in Canada ....western Canada
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 07:42:23 PM
HERE, GUESS THE SIRE OF OUR BULL
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 07:44:44 PM
MY GOOGLING SKILLS HAVE FAILED ME. I DO NOT KNOW ???
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 08:04:33 PM
Here is one more hint. Think of a place where pine cones might come from. DL's bull has a three letter perfix.  ::)
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 08:19:59 PM
PINE CONES COME FROM TREES :P
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 08:20:24 PM
Darn nice bull, Farm Boy, but I'm trying to give you some good clues on DL's bull first. So we'll get back to your bull after you get DL's.

O.K., one more hint.  If you're into different tunes...Moonstarr might help you out.
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 08:45:15 PM
I OFFICIALLY HAVE NO IDEA ???
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 08:49:29 PM

One more. Look for Kodiak from Calberta farms. He or his brothers are there.
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 08:55:33 PM

Don't give up now. I've given you too many hints for you to give up on me.  AMAA Calberta...search!
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 09:01:14 PM
THERE ARE 608 CALBERTA ANIMALS AND I HAVN'T THE SLIGHTEST CLUE! ??? THE CALBERTA FARMS PAGE IS SCREWED UP ON MY DESKTOP OR SOMETHIN >:(  I HAVN'T GIVEN UP ON IT BUT I PLEA NO CONTEST TO THE CHARGES :D
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 09:11:37 PM

Look for Kodiak! He or his brothers are there. Calberta Kodiak. DL's bull is from Pine Tree Ranch. You're getting close.
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 09:24:45 PM
I-GIVE-UP :'(
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 09:29:55 PM

You are too close to give up! Go to the AMAA an hit Calberta Kodiak (Animal name). Your only excuse will be that your computor is broken.     ;D
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Post by: DL on June 17, 2007, 09:32:03 PM
Farmboy - don't fail us now!! take the farm name as use initials.....
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 09:34:34 PM
IM CONFUSED,IS THE BULL CALBERTA KODIAK OR IS KODIAK A SON OF THE PICTURED BULL
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 09:35:45 PM
I'M LOST :)
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Post by: DL on June 17, 2007, 09:45:15 PM
I'M LOST :)

Never fear - we will save you from lostdome

He is not a Calberta bull
He was bred by Pine Tree Rancho in Sask
He was sired by Epinal
born July 30, 1973....
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 09:46:23 PM
THEN WHY AM I LOOKING FOR A CALBERTA BULL >:(
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Post by: DL on June 17, 2007, 09:51:33 PM
THEN WHY AM I LOOKING FOR A CALBERTA BULL >:(

Beats me ;D ;D ;D Go back to the pine cones, 3 letter prefix, breeders name...is your bull a Meyer?
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Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 09:52:26 PM
NOOOOOOOOOO!!! :o AND NO NOT A MEYER

THINK MAINE FOR OUR HERD BULL
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Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 09:57:01 PM

Not even a Meyers daughter? Sure a nice looking bull. Ok... try the PTR perfix. Remember Epinal.
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Post by: DL on June 17, 2007, 09:57:25 PM
NOOOOOOOOOO!!! :o AND NO NOT A MEYER

THINK MAINE FOR OUR HERD BULL


cute bunny - now back to the old Maine bull then we will deal with your newer version...
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 10:05:47 PM
YES!!!!!!! EPIC ;D
IMA FRICKEN IDIOT, I KNEW CETTA-LA WAS THE FIRST FLUSHED COW :( I CONSIDER MY SELF REDEEMED AND SOME HOW DEMORALIZED


karma  I NEVER CONSIDERED THE DAM

SOMEHOW I AM SMILING EAR TO EAR AND STILL WANT TO SLAP MYSELF ???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 10:17:16 PM
ANOTHER VEIW OF OUR HERD BULL WHO'S SIRE NEEDS GUESSED AND WILL TELL YOU HE IS BETTER THAN HALF ANGUS FROM HIS MOTHER
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 10:18:06 PM

Good job. I am glad you didn't give up. Hope you don't want to kill me. It may not be over quite so soon. Remember we don't know which full brother DL has pictured.
There was a PTR Epic and some PTR Epinal's and even another full brother named Calling View Teton. Which one is it?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 10:28:20 PM
IS THE BULL SHE POSTED EPIC >:( GEEZ, YOUR KILLIN ME
HOW BOUT STICKS MONSTER BROS.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 10:31:27 PM
Farm Boy, I really do like your bull pictured. Does he have any Epinal x Cette- la  breeding in his Pedigree? You will probably have to go back a number of generations to find out.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 17, 2007, 10:37:28 PM
Farmboy you wouldn't be using some Paleface genetics would you?  Do you want some older club calf sires pics to guess at (warning they may or may not have character)?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on June 17, 2007, 10:53:00 PM
You guys are bringing back memories from the real fuzzy parts of my mind... which some days is most of it!  In the fall of 1973, I spent a few weeks close to The Biench's Pine Tree Rancho at Neilburg, SK so I saw these calves several times. Every time I was there, Roy tried to sell them to me. He would have been a real good door to door salesman as he never gave up, and continued to try to sell them to meon each visit. He started out asking $75,000 for my pick of the bull calves. and a few weeks later offered me all of them for the same $75,000. Here is where the fuzzy part of my memory comes into play. I am not exactly sure if there were 4 ET bulls or 5 of them. I do not remember there being any heifers in this flush but there may have been one... I am not sure. If my memory is correct, I think Epic was the best of them at this young age, and PTR Epinal 83E maybe was the second best. I think they were all called PTR Epinal 80E, 81E, 82E and 84 E.  Epic was 83E.

The Cette-La cow was a tank. She was a little coarse like many of the early Maines were but she had to weigh well over a ton. She was a bit off on her hind wheels too, if my memory is correct.

At the time we were running about 350 cows and we have bred about 100 of our Shorhorn cows to Maine bulls.It was a very good cross and we showed some pretty good steers during this time. We kept all the heifers we produced and bred them up towards purebred status. We found that our fertility dropped with each increase in percentage, so we finally dispersed them in the mid 80s. I think the Maine breed has done amazing improvenment in the past several years and I do not think this is an issue today.
 I only have 1 Maine cow here now and she is a full blood female .She was shown at Canadian Western Agribition two years ago and was the only red and white Maine in the show. She went on to be Reserve Grand female. She weighed 2140 lb at the show and had a heifer calf at side that weighed 970 lb. She has a tremendous fullblood heifer on her again this year by Border Creek Future. I weighed her last summer and she weighed 2200 lb. and she is very feminine for a cow this size. Last week I found her in the pasture with a sever stiffle injury. She is still getting around and still feeding her calf well, but her producing years may be over.  
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 10:56:13 PM
Farmboy you wouldn't be using some Paleface genetics would you?  Do you want some older club calf sires pics to guess at (warning they may or may not have character)?
THIS MY FREINDS IS THE PALE FACE x ANGUS BULL I HAVE METIONED BEFORE. I HAVN'T MEASURED HIM BUT I KNOW HE'S NOT NO MORE THAN 55 INCHES. I'LL HAVE SOME PROGENY PICS SOON (clapping) AND LETS TRY TO KEEP THIS THREAD ALIVE FOR AS LONG AS WE CAN
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 11:08:46 PM

Justintime, That is one awesome story! Thanks for sharing it. I love Maine history especially from the Canadians. They definately have a little different perspective then us Americans. They usually did not except anything less then a hard working cow. Thanks again for sharing.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 11:10:53 PM
HERES 2 FOR YA, HE DOSN'T ALWAYS THROW WHITE FACED CALVES. THESE TWO ARE FULL BROS. ONES A FIRST GENERATION AND A 3RD GENERATION. THE 2ND FULL BRO ALSO HAD A WHITE FACE FROM THE SAME COW. 3 BROS, 3 WHITE FACED BULLS (clapping)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 17, 2007, 11:12:39 PM
PLEASE MIND THAT THE OLDER STEER IS NOT IN HIS FLUFF AT THIS TIME, I THINK THE BULL THROWS EXCELLENT HEIFERS
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on June 17, 2007, 11:22:44 PM
Farm Boy, How many times can you find Epinal x Cette La in Paleface's pedigree? HEH,HEH,HEH!!!!! If you look back far enough, I think you'll find he's got two shots of that mating.

DL, why do you give us these hard problems to figure out?  I don't know if Farm Boy's full brother was correct, but if it wasn't I am going to pick PTR Epinal 81E.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL! 486 Stick's bull
Post by: OH Breeder on June 17, 2007, 11:58:03 PM
Stick was your bull Ayatollah? Post 486
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: genes on June 18, 2007, 12:07:07 AM

 I only have 1 Maine cow here now and she is a full blood female .She was shown at Canadian Western Agribition two years ago and was the only red and white Maine in the show. She went on to be Reserve Grand female. She weighed 2140 lb at the show and had a heifer calf at side that weighed 970 lb. She has a tremendous fullblood heifer on her again this year by Border Creek Future. I weighed her last summer and she weighed 2200 lb. and she is very feminine for a cow this size. Last week I found her in the pasture with a sever stiffle injury. She is still getting around and still feeding her calf well, but her producing years may be over. 


Just since we like pictures here, this is her right?  (I went to '05 and this is the only red, listed as reserve) http://showchampions.com/image_bank/image_zoom.aspx?image=51540
She's dwarfing the people in the picture there...sorry to hear about her injury.   I know I was in the Maine barn looking around that year but I don't think I saw her.  Unfortunately I couldn't stay to the end of the week for all the shows.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 18, 2007, 12:30:19 AM

 I only have 1 Maine cow here now and she is a full blood female .She was shown at Canadian Western Agribition two years ago and was the only red and white Maine in the show. She went on to be Reserve Grand female. She weighed 2140 lb at the show and had a heifer calf at side that weighed 970 lb. She has a tremendous fullblood heifer on her again this year by Border Creek Future. I weighed her last summer and she weighed 2200 lb. and she is very feminine for a cow this size. Last week I found her in the pasture with a sever stiffle injury. She is still getting around and still feeding her calf well, but her producing years may be over. 


Just since we like pictures here, this is her right?  (I went to '05 and this is the only red, listed as reserve) [url]http://showchampions.com/image_bank/image_zoom.aspx?image=51540[/url]
She's dwarfing the people in the picture there...sorry to hear about her injury.   I know I was in the Maine barn looking around that year but I don't think I saw her.  Unfortunately I couldn't stay to the end of the week for all the shows.


If that is her, she is a really awesome cow and definately earned her placing.  That heifer at side is phenomenal....I would love to own one of those good Fullblood females.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on June 18, 2007, 12:49:49 AM
Thats her all right! Her name is Hillcrestview Georgia Peach. She is more impressive on pasture.... well she used to be before her injury, and this years heifer calf is a full sister to the heifer pictured at her side. The heifer this year is better in my opinion. Great hunting in finding the picture Genes!
There is a possibility that you may have missed her in the Maine barn as we had 17 head of Shorthorns there as well and someday's it took a few hours to get them all through the wash rack.
 Can someone tell me why the Canadian Maine Association is about the only registry that I know of that you can't search pedigrees on the internet? Why is this? To my knowledge, they are the only breed that uses Canadian Livestock Records Corp that does not allow pedigrees to be researched online.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on June 18, 2007, 04:57:08 AM

Farm Boy, BLSC Paleface according to pedigree has three shots of the Epinal x Cette-La matings. Two of which are 81E and 83E once. Check it out. You have to go back a number of generations though. Sorry if my clues were misleading, but figured if you got DL's other bull Topper from an obscure TV show from the 50's with a dog, then I needed to make it difficult. There was no googling with this bull. I still don't know which full brother it was? Hope DL doesn't make us guess anymore and just gives us his name and number.

I really do like your bull a lot. His calves tell the story. What breeding is on the dam's side besides Angus.

Sorry Stick, still trying to figure out those big Shorthorns. Wonder if Oh Breeder got it right?

afhm, You are flat out good. I don't know if DL shouldn't give you the grand prize. Hope you give us some of those old time club calf sires to guess.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on June 18, 2007, 05:00:47 AM
All I know is that I'm confused! Too many bulls for poor old Red to try to figure out!
I do like looking at the old pictures & seeing where out current genetic have come from!

Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: stick on June 18, 2007, 07:27:25 AM
OH Breeder,
Ayatollah is correct. Any ideas on the four bulls pictured? One was  national champion, one Fort Worth champion, one a world champion, and the other, reserve national champion.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on June 18, 2007, 07:45:36 AM
Okay, I think I can name some of the bulls that were sired by Ayatollah and were shown in Denver. They were Glenford Ayatollah 2nd, Cactus Flat Ringmaster, Wagonmaster, and Philford Ayatollah. Not sure if the last one I mentioned was in this group or not.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on June 18, 2007, 08:27:48 AM
WOW! jit great story

As I recall there were 10 embryos from Epinal x Cette la
8 took
there was 1 heifer (don't remember her name but I am sure I have it somewhere - xxcc probably knows)
5 bulls made it to the big time
80E = PTR Epinal 80E
81E = PTR Epinal 81E
82E = PTR Epinal 82E
83E= PTR Epic 83E aka PTR Epinal 83E
84E= Sundowner Epinal 84E aka PTR Epinal 84E

and Calling View Teton, another full brother and the full sister was PTR Miss Epinal 85E (added by Telos, smart man!)

the pictured bull is 84E
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on June 18, 2007, 10:38:19 AM
OH Breeder,
Ayatollah is correct. Any ideas on the four bulls pictured? One was  national champion, one Fort Worth champion, one a world champion, and the other, reserve national champion.
I am not quiet as good as Just in time, but, I do remember him because he was all the rage when i was showing shorthorns in 4-H and FFA in High School. It is crazy how big the cattle were. You don't realize it til you look the pictures like you posted and compare to today. Also the rear quarters were so weak on the shorty's then. They really liked them flat made and tall. I was looking at his pedigree and it surprises me that there are only 45 registered animals from him. If I have the right Ayatollah.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 18, 2007, 10:59:14 AM
TELOS, I DON'T KNOW THE ANGUS SIDE OF HIM; WE BOUGHT HIM FROM A CLOSE FREIND AND WERE NOT EXACTLY ALL ABOUT THE PEDIGREES BUT HE LOOKED REALLY GOOD AND HAS GOOD GAINING STEERS AND FEMINEM FEMALES. HE JUST DOSN'T THROW THE BIG REAREND CONSISTENTLY. THE ONE I'M GOING TO SHOW NOW HAS THE BIG REAR END BUT THE OLDER STEER PIC DIDN'T. I DO LIKE HIM THOUGH O0
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 18, 2007, 12:19:25 PM
Try this DeJong influenced maine/club calf sire.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: stick on June 18, 2007, 12:36:43 PM
well, 2 down 2 to go. Glenford Ayatollah 2nd, and Cactus Flat Ringmaster are correct. Ayatollah 2nd measured 63.5 inches and weighed 2560 lbs. He was the national champion. Ringmaster was the '84 world show champion and weighed 2660 at Denver in '86.
One of the last 2 bulls had some famous full sisters and at least one full brother, might have even been flush mates.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 18, 2007, 01:00:17 PM
HINT :)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 18, 2007, 01:08:22 PM
516 looks like Calberta Hustler to me, but I've been wrong tons of times.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 18, 2007, 01:17:17 PM
516 is not Hustler.  He is a 3/4 maine.  Born in SD back in 94 and made his way down to OK and TX.  His name and ads were Indian influenced.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 18, 2007, 01:23:09 PM
Navajo
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 18, 2007, 01:33:25 PM
Not navajo, this bull was born in 1994 and has been gone for a while before Navajo was born.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 18, 2007, 01:46:49 PM
Dang it, the only other bull that I know of that has an Indian-type name has somethin to do with Apache somethin-or-other....hmmm any more hints available?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 18, 2007, 02:09:18 PM
Alot of times Indians or even a mad woman would go on these.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 18, 2007, 02:15:37 PM
Warpath
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 18, 2007, 02:21:01 PM
You got it.  Try this one, he has 2 acceptable names.  He had several owners and 2 names.  He is both a Mainetainer and a Chi.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on June 18, 2007, 03:14:48 PM
OK Stick.... I was thinking this morning after my original post about your picture of the 4 sons of Ayatollah in Denver, and I knew I was wrong about at least one of the bulls. I am thinking that Lefty 83rd was one of the bulls and maybe Glenford High Voltage ( not sure about this one)  or possibly Foxfire. Am I getting any closer? The other two that were right were G. Ayatollah 2nd and Cactus Flat Ringmaster.
   I remember when we took these bulls to Louisville to the World Show in 1984, we had to take the top deck out of the pot as we were afraid these coming two year old bulls would rub the hair off their backs on the deck above. Ayatollah 2nd won Reserve at the World show despite having his show side shaved and a large incision sown up on his side. Benders almost lost him with a twisted gut and they had to operate and flip it back in place. He had a two foot incision still healing at the time of the show.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on June 18, 2007, 04:30:35 PM

In addition to DL's list was Calling View Teton, another full brother and the full sister was PTR Miss Epinal 85E.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: genes on June 18, 2007, 04:34:52 PM
Geez those bulls are big....which leads me to another "name the..." question.   Who the heck is that guy on the far right?  All the other guys can barely see over the bulls, and that guy looks normal proportions.  He must be pushing 7 feet  :o

JIT did the twisted gut happen on the way to the show? 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 18, 2007, 04:39:12 PM
YOUR BULL IS SURE BET AND THIS ONE IS UNKNOWN
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on June 18, 2007, 04:50:52 PM
Geez those bulls are big....which leads me to another "name the..." question.   Who the heck is that guy on the far right?  All the other guys can barely see over the bulls, and that guy looks normal proportions.  He must be pushing 7 feet  :o

JIT did the twisted gut happen on the way to the show? 

Genes,
The twisted gut occurred a couple of weeks prior to us leaving for the show. At the time, the Bender's had decided to not take  him as they flet he would not be recovered in time and because they felt he would lose some weight. The bull never missed a beat, and only missed a meal the day he was operated on. The incision was healing so quickly that they decided to take him to the show and decide whether he would be shown on show day. He travelled good so he was shown and went on to be Reserve Grand.
This bull is a real example of a missed opportunity as they were offered over $60,000 before the show, for him, but they turned it down as they felt he may bring more if he won the show.

The tall guy on the right in the picture is Mark Graham,Jr,  of Graham Land and Livestock Co. , Waverly, MN. The Graham's owned Ayatollah. Mr. Mark Graham, SR is pictured on the left beside the bulls. The other person is Glenn Bender from Saskatchewan. Mark Graham, Jr is now Dr. Mark Graham, Jr, and he is a leading heart specialist in the US. I have lost track of where he is now, but he still owns some Shorthorns and keeps them at Waukaru Barry and Anita Jordan and family, in Indiana.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: stick on June 18, 2007, 04:53:24 PM
Justintime, Lefty is right. Now all that's left is the red and white bull. He's the youngest of the four. "Only"  weighed 2080 at the time and measured 61.5 inches. Think Granada.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on June 18, 2007, 05:10:24 PM
Stick, thanx for the good clues. That has to be Alexander S3 . Is he the roan? Milestone was also in that era but he was red.

looking back at those pictures makes me wonder what everyone was thinking. I have seen humming birds with more ass end! Back in those days, I used to wonder why they got leading cattlemen to judge the shows. The guy carrying the shovel around the ring was just as capable in lining them up as all he had to do was start with the tallest and line them up to the shortest. I remember Eldon Krebs had an Ayatollah heifer named Prairie Lane Metric Marvel, that he purchased here in Sask. She was so tall when she calved that her calf could not real her udder. They had to hold the calf up to suck. Now that's performance... right?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 18, 2007, 08:26:19 PM
IS SURE BET RIGHT :) WHO NEEDS A HINT ON MY BULL :)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 18, 2007, 08:31:30 PM
Sure Bet is one of the names, do you know the other one?  Who changed it?  Your bull #530 is  FULL THROTTLE touted as the king.  I almost used him again this year, it is still hard to get around a good throttle or flush.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 18, 2007, 09:03:55 PM
I GOT THE PICS THE SAME PLACE YOU DID ;) ARE FULL THROTTLES REALLY GOOD? DAD WON'T USE HIM CAUSE HE SAID SOME YEARS AGO HE HAD TO PULL SOME MONSTERS AT A FREINDS PLACE
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 18, 2007, 09:53:03 PM
They are/were great ones, kind of a thing of the past.  They could come plenty big( they were more extra stout than heavy), and could be very mean also.   They would be freaky fronted with a monster hip, and an unmistakeable look to them.  IMO he is where the killer look everyone tries to get in their calves originated.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 18, 2007, 10:52:23 PM
How about this champion?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: genes on June 19, 2007, 12:40:04 AM
The other person is Glenn Bender from Saskatchewan.

That picture is grainy or he was much younger there.  i had to go take a close look after you said that.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on June 19, 2007, 12:45:58 AM
afma, Winegardner and Jerry Adamson showed this bull. I forget all the people involved in his ownership, but saw a heifer that I really liked out of him at the 06 NAILE.

They call him Who da Man.  ACA reg. ASHW Who Da Man is a Who Made Who son out of a CA-Ma-Sm cow.

Red, you probably saw this Who da Man heifer too in Winegardner's string.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: stick on June 19, 2007, 07:21:34 AM
Justintime, Alexander is correct. Notable full sibs would include, Amber S7, Ryans Hope, Milestone, Austin, and Queen of Hearts to name a few. I thought I saw a picture of Metric Marvel in a get or best 6 head somewhere, I'll have to dig some more.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: clifflem on June 19, 2007, 09:58:41 AM
Stick,
That Get picture really brought back some memories.  I showed against those cattle and they were huge.  If I remember correctly, Lefty 83rd was the heaviest Shorthorn bull to show in Denver at that time.  He was owned by Dean Fieser at Plains. Ks and Twig Marston hauled and showed him. He weighed 2650 at Denver that year.  I showed a bull named Evergreen CT Kendall for Dean at Denver a few years later that weighed in at 2885.  It was when the trend to get them smaller was starting.  Jeff Bedwell ( a good friend of mine) was judging and told me afterwards that he was just too big.  Jeff's family owned Lefty 83rd after his show career.
This was when the only selection tool was a measuring stick and everyone was trying to get them bigger.  I remember measuring a heifer calf at a sale we worked in this time period that was 11 months old and measured 55 inches tall. 
The Graham's from Minnesota were mainstays in the Shorthorn breed for a long time.  They owned several bulls that they promoted in the 70's and 80's.  Clark, Columbus, Albo, and some more that I can't recall were all bulls they advertised on the back cover of the Shorthorn Country for years.  We showed a Columbus son out of Ayatollah's mother that sold in their dispersal sale.  He was Res. Grand bull at about every show we went to behind the SMF Fifth Avenue bull of Don and Pat Stout's.  Don judged Ft.Worth that year and he was Grand there.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 19, 2007, 10:29:32 AM
THIS IS A SON OF A OLDER CHIANGUS
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 19, 2007, 11:21:18 AM
543 is Desert Storm i knew that but you can see it in his ear tag(reason I didn[t use that one).
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on June 19, 2007, 11:35:43 AM
AFHM- boy your eye sight is better than mine! I was reading Bourbon Street!

Red (:))
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 19, 2007, 12:22:35 PM
I HOPED PEOPLE WOULDNT NOTICE :P
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Chap on June 19, 2007, 01:00:26 PM
another one from the same vintage as Desert Storm
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on June 19, 2007, 01:04:28 PM
I HOPED PEOPLE WOULDNT NOTICE :P
Your dealing with a smart bunch here farmboy - it was the first thing I looked at!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on June 19, 2007, 04:48:31 PM

Darn it! You are making me really regret tossing my old Lautner, SEK, Vioce, Angus and Chi journals etc..  I had quite a collection. We could have played "name the bull" for the next thirty years. By the way does anyone have a picture of Polled Pursuit?  Wonder how many would consider him a good bull by todays standards?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on June 19, 2007, 04:51:19 PM
See Telos, that's why I never throw anything out!  (lol)
I'm sure DL or XXCC has one someplace.


Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 19, 2007, 05:14:43 PM
#547 is Nuff Said.  Anybody come up with Sure Bet's second name yet?  I have a couple of good ones I just need to figure out how to get them out of tif format so I can post them.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on June 19, 2007, 05:16:56 PM
#547 is Nuff Said.  Anybody come up with Sure Bet's second name yet?  I have a couple of good ones I just need to figure out how to get them out of tif format so I can post them.

If you want to send them to me, I'll get them switched over. I promise not to play!
red@steerplanet.com
Red
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 19, 2007, 09:08:32 PM
I'll send them to you.  Feel free to play.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: red on June 20, 2007, 06:11:38 AM
This is from Afhm!
Steph- the second picture didn't come through.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 20, 2007, 12:00:48 PM
IT RAINED FOR 4 HOURZ  ;D AT A STEADY POUR
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 20, 2007, 08:14:51 PM
Farmboy, I'm not going to tell everyone the name of your #555 bull since I know where the pic came from and his identity.  Do you need a hint on #554?  I figured he would be pretty harn for everyone except DLD.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 20, 2007, 08:41:37 PM
THIS HERF LOOKS LIKE A ANGUS AND YES ON THE HINT (:))
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 20, 2007, 09:22:12 PM
#554 was born in OK in the 80's, and never quite achieved the national fame of his younger full brother.  He sired many champions including a Kansas City steer.  He is a Chi-Maine.  He is also noted for being much easier calving than his brother, but attitudes were about the same.  He had a hip injury when he was young and was never very photogentic.  Takin all of this into consideration you should be narrow down the list of names.  I know alot of these are before your time Farmboy but I like all of the old school bulls.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: iowa on June 20, 2007, 10:30:16 PM
afhm is #554 Takin Names a full brother to Full Throttle?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: xxcc on June 21, 2007, 12:33:53 AM
Calling View Teton was raised by Stan Spicer.  To the best of my knowledge, Stan Spicer was a herdsman for Pine Tree Rancho.  I'm not quite sure how he ended up with Teton, but he also had Rambler 3M Elegant to sell, among others.

I was also told by the breeder of Border Creek Future, Pride and others that Stan selected Feraine and Epice in France.

Justintime, that along with the fact that Bresil was supposed to be a pretty good bull compelled me to buy and breed some BC Future semen.  I bred 3 fullblood cows to him this year.  Interesting that you have calves on ground by him.  I also have 13 amps of 84E semen that I intend to use.  Among other things, in the pics I have seen of 84E, he has a very pretty head.

By the way, Border Creek Future and Sundower Epinal 84E are PHA free.  As are,

Eden
Loulou
Loujo
Loustic
Calberta Lucky Strike, Royal Red and Equalizer
Poplar Hvn Big Red Magic
Silver King
Mr Triple L 100Z
Mr Triple L 108Y
ZTA Magnum 44
Shaver Bysantin
Shaver Buret
Beaufort George
PTR Epinal 81E
Bar UJ Allen
and other old ones if anybody cares to know.

I am yet to send in Iabon and HSF Sam 80E, but they will go at some point to, as will Darco and Dada,  but I am not about to blow a whole unit for that test, only a portion is retained and submitted.  But I have also located Duke of Heaven and Prairied Blizzard for testing, but if it makes it there may be another story. - I tell you, in looking for a "good" answer in regard to a sole PHA source, I feel like I've been riding the brush and the river bottoms looking for stray cattle.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: afhm on June 21, 2007, 08:39:40 AM
Iowa 554 is Takin' Names the full brother to Full Throttle.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 21, 2007, 11:43:53 AM
I BELIEVE DL SAID THIS WAS ABOUT THE ONLY HERF SHE LIKED A FEW PAGES AGO

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Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: DL on June 21, 2007, 01:26:22 PM
Do you mean this bull is on the computer and on line? WOW! Good looking and computer skills, he should have no trouble finding a job even in this slow economy!  ;D
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on June 21, 2007, 02:03:20 PM
HE'S PRACTICLY A RED AND WHITE ANGUS LOKKS LIKE TO ME
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Post by: Zach on June 21, 2007, 02:06:12 PM
SHORTHORN
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Post by: Chap on June 21, 2007, 02:22:49 PM
MCF's War Paint
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Post by: Zach on June 21, 2007, 02:28:34 PM
WAS THAT TO EASY ??? CORRECT :P
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Post by: garybob on June 22, 2007, 01:46:36 PM
SHORTHORN
Aside from that itty-bitty scrotum, he looks pretty good!
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Post by: itk on June 22, 2007, 08:05:25 PM
SHORTHORN
Aside from that itty-bitty scrotum, he looks pretty good!


He's a full brother to Warhorse. Not sure of his TH, PHA status but I liked his daughters better then Warhorse (had alittle more of a cow look to me). Flushed him to a full sister of Ladd hoping for a great heifer but got all bull calves really nice steers though.
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Post by: xxcc on June 23, 2007, 12:07:54 AM
here's a say...shirttail relative of warhorse and warpaint
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Post by: frostback on June 23, 2007, 08:52:29 AM
Hardcore
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Post by: afhm on June 23, 2007, 12:36:54 PM
Can't recall if or how he is related to Warhorse and Warpaint, but #570 kind of looks like a mature pic I saw of Irish Whiskey in a sale catalog once.  If it is him, how far back is the relation?   Frostback's answer of Hard Core is the most logical and probably right choice with his relationship to them.
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Post by: Zach on June 23, 2007, 01:02:05 PM
HARDCORE SIRED BY JAYHAWK WHO'S DAM IS A FULL SISTER TO WARHORSE

                                   PAYOFF
                  - JAYHAWK
                                   FULL SIS TO WARHORSE
HARDCORE               
                               -HABENARO
                -DANDYS SAMANTHA
                               -SWEET DANDY(MAGIC)           
                 
               
                                       
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Post by: Telos on June 23, 2007, 03:47:46 PM

farmBoy, The owners advertise Hard Core as such, but if you check out both pedigrees CMAC Hard Core and MCF Warhorse ET you might find that not to be exactly correct. This will be a good exercise for all.

The question will be...Is the Mother of Jayhawk a fulll sister to Warhorse and if not how are they related? 
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Post by: OH Breeder on June 23, 2007, 11:54:06 PM
570 Mature Irish WHiskey
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Post by: xxcc on June 24, 2007, 08:08:34 AM
many of you may groan, but whiskey is related to warpaint and every other maine bull in the same way...similar foundation bulls, cunia, etula, yada yada
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Post by: DL on June 24, 2007, 08:38:58 PM

farmBoy, The owners advertise Hard Core as such, but if you check out both pedigrees CMAC Hard Core and MCF Warhorse ET you might find that not to be exactly correct. This will be a good exercise for all.

The question will be...Is the Mother of Jayhawk a full sister to Warhorse and if not how are they related? 

OK - Hardcores paternal grand dam (Debbies Girl RW17C) was sired by Mr Bill 042X, who's sire is Senator Jack.
Warhorse's dam (RW Red Debbie 70) is sired by Mr Bill 042X (the same Mr Bill I might ad) who's sire is Senator Jack.

If I was a bull an my name was MCF MR DEBS GIRL PAYOFF I think I'd leave town  ;D ;D (please note - this is a joke - if you don't think it is funny don't call the owners and tell them I am bashing their bull - it is a joke about a name that as a bull I would be embarrassed as if I were (sing a few bars boys) "A  boy named Sue)

ps xxcc - that's a bit like saying we all derived from Apes or Adam and Eve.....
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Post by: DL on June 25, 2007, 04:28:01 PM
Noticed that a new member of the planet is bigun (hope you aren't trying to hide  ;D)

There was a Maine bull by the name of Gig Gun - anybody remember him or anything about him? (I do have the answer and I believe a picture)
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Post by: Telos on June 25, 2007, 08:06:52 PM

DL... Jayhawk's dam is not a full sister to Warhorse, like the owners advertised. Although Jayhawk's dam is a full sister to Warhorse's dam, but not to Warhorse himself. Warhorse was sired by Double Stuff.
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Post by: DL on June 25, 2007, 09:48:47 PM

DL... Jayhawk's dam is not a full sister to Warhorse, like the owners advertised. Although Jayhawk's dam is a full sister to Warhorse's dam, but not to Warhorse himself. Warhorse was sired by Double Stuff.

Telos - I am confused! I knew Warhose was sired by DOuble Stuff -
Hardcores sires dam (ie Jayhawks dam) is MCF Mr Debs Girl Payoff, sired by Payoff out of Debbies Girl RW716C - she is sired by Mr Bill 042X out of Miss Debbie

Warhorses dam is RW Red Debbie sired by Mr Bill out of Miss Debbie

so the way I see it I guess I am not confused as Hardcores paternal grand dam is a full siter to Warhorses dam - why do you think they advertise that Hardcore and Warhorse are full sibs??
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Post by: Zach on June 25, 2007, 10:01:07 PM
WHO KNOWS BUT ANY MORE BULLS


IS IT HARDCORE OR WHISKEY
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Post by: iowa on June 25, 2007, 10:12:45 PM
What is the name of this shorty?  He was born in the early 80's?  Elbee, you can't guess since I have already shown you this pic  :)
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Post by: Zach on June 25, 2007, 10:27:15 PM
DOUBLE LEADER ???
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Post by: iowa on June 25, 2007, 10:29:24 PM
sorry farmboy, try again :)
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Post by: Zach on June 25, 2007, 10:44:56 PM
I PICKED UP A FEW PICS OF BULLS SO HERES ANOTHER


THIS BULL HAS THE ALL TIME WORST NAME EVER
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Post by: OH Breeder on June 25, 2007, 11:01:45 PM
Iowa, can you give any hints to who he might be. I am drawing a blank.
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Post by: iowa on June 25, 2007, 11:32:32 PM
OH Breeder,  he has a very well known son.  The bull was most likely not known name until his son was born a decade later
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Post by: OH Breeder on June 26, 2007, 12:02:51 AM
Irish Pride Born May of 1980  Popular SOn- Double Stuff
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 26, 2007, 12:24:35 AM
OH B...if you're right...and I think you are...isn't that that poppa of Smooth Criminal?
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Post by: xxcc on June 26, 2007, 01:10:10 AM
here you go farmboy.
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Post by: Telos on June 26, 2007, 03:59:10 AM

DL... Jayhawk's dam is not a full sister to Warhorse, like the owners advertised. Although Jayhawk's dam is a full sister to Warhorse's dam, but not to Warhorse himself. Warhorse was sired by Double Stuff.

Telos - I am confused! I knew Warhose was sired by DOuble Stuff -
Hardcores sires dam (ie Jayhawks dam) is MCF Mr Debs Girl Payoff, sired by Payoff out of Debbies Girl RW716C - she is sired by Mr Bill 042X out of Miss Debbie

Warhorses dam is RW Red Debbie sired by Mr Bill out of Miss Debbie

so the way I see it I guess I am not confused as Hardcores paternal grand dam is a full siter to Warhorses dam - why do you think they advertise that Hardcore and Warhorse are full sibs??



Perhaps they were confused, too?  The advertisement is incorrect. Maybe it's because they're not astute readers of pedigrees like some others?  Half bother and full bother are two different things. If they advertised it correctly they could of said... going back to Warhorse mother's full sister.
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Post by: iowa on June 26, 2007, 08:22:31 AM
OH Breeder, You are right (clapping)  Found a picture of him in the 81' or 82' Shorthorn Journal. A breeder in western Iowa advertised him as his Jr Herdsire. This is the only picture of him I have ever run across.
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Post by: Zach on June 26, 2007, 10:26:19 AM
WHOAMI ??? HOW ABOUT THE LOUSIEST NAME EVER
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Post by: Zach on June 27, 2007, 08:35:04 AM
NO TAKERS...THE WORM  (cow)
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Post by: EONF on June 27, 2007, 02:44:37 PM
Is that longhorn Don Quixote?
http://www.texaslonghorn.net/longhorn_info/famous_cattle/index.cfm?con=quix
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Post by: Zach on June 27, 2007, 04:00:06 PM
APPARENTLY IT IS  (clapping)
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Post by: xxcc on June 28, 2007, 12:03:24 AM
google prevails again.
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Post by: Zach on June 28, 2007, 10:48:58 AM
AND MY BULL IS THE WORM
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Post by: garybob on June 29, 2007, 01:58:55 PM
OH Breeder, You are right (clapping)  Found a picture of him in the 81' or 82' Shorthorn Journal. A breeder in western Iowa advertised him as his Jr Herdsire. This is the only picture of him I have ever run across.
He's definitely different than the Ayatollah cattle that went forward at the same time.
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Post by: THE BARN on July 02, 2007, 02:48:58 PM
Ha
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Post by: red on July 02, 2007, 02:50:05 PM
Shorthorn?

Look like an oldie but goodie!

Red
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Post by: THE BARN on July 02, 2007, 10:55:00 PM
No takers, yea dont think google is going to be able to help yall on this one.
Its gonna be tough, got this one out of a 107 year old Short-Horn cattle book.
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Post by: OH Breeder on July 03, 2007, 08:10:30 AM
OH B...if you're right...and I think you are...isn't that that poppa of Smooth Criminal?
Yes, Smooth Criminal is a son of Irish Pride and has a Diamond leggs mother if I remember right.
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Post by: red on July 03, 2007, 08:19:04 AM
NHR- I went through my grandfather's books & came up blank. Had one very similar to the picture but it was a cow.

Red
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Post by: THE BARN on July 03, 2007, 08:33:00 AM
Well I figured if Red couldnt find it, then were just gonna have to give it up.
WHISKERS - Champion American Fat Stock Show , 1894
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Post by: Zach on July 03, 2007, 12:02:21 PM
WHISKERS...SOUNDS LIKE A CAT
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Post by: gocanes719 on July 03, 2007, 01:01:14 PM
Leader Plus
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Post by: DL on July 03, 2007, 05:58:16 PM
I haven't a clue but thought I might be inspired by a view of the whole bull  ;D
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Post by: Zach on July 09, 2007, 05:25:45 PM
name the bull
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Post by: THE BARN on July 09, 2007, 05:52:17 PM
polar express
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Post by: Zach on July 09, 2007, 06:08:40 PM
wrong
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Post by: itk on July 09, 2007, 06:54:19 PM
Warhorse
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Post by: Zach on July 09, 2007, 07:33:56 PM
correct
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Post by: THE BARN on July 09, 2007, 08:06:50 PM
hummmmm
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Post by: EONF on July 09, 2007, 10:23:42 PM
DCC Powerstroke?
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Post by: Zach on July 09, 2007, 10:43:51 PM
YEP, HES ON DEROUCHYS WEBSITE (clapping)
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Post by: OH Breeder on July 10, 2007, 10:14:08 AM
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« Reply #606 on: July 03, 2007, 01:02:21 PM

Pa Do Suds
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Post by: Zach on July 10, 2007, 10:36:34 AM
ITS LEADER PLUS
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Post by: OH Breeder on July 10, 2007, 01:34:33 PM
Here is Pa Do SUds.... sorry they are similar. My bad.
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Post by: THE BARN on July 10, 2007, 03:58:31 PM
smokey ;D
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Post by: Chap on July 10, 2007, 04:47:01 PM
Interstate.  I thought he was the best looking bull in the yards at Denver this year. Really complete
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Post by: OH Breeder on July 10, 2007, 04:47:16 PM
Great WHite
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Post by: Zach on August 03, 2007, 07:52:35 PM
name the bull returns  ;D
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Post by: Chad on August 03, 2007, 09:50:32 PM
I think that he is an Ankony red Simmental bull.  I can't remember his name.  It might be Caesar or Redcoat or I don't know.
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Post by: Zach on August 03, 2007, 09:51:49 PM
Ceaser
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Post by: Zach on August 04, 2007, 10:29:06 PM
heres one
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Post by: afhm on August 04, 2007, 10:40:46 PM
911 on the baldy.
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Post by: Zach on August 04, 2007, 10:56:28 PM
yup, i know somebody out there has more pics ripe for the guessin
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Post by: xxcc on August 05, 2007, 12:54:10 AM
this bull hasn't been up here has he?
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Post by: OH Breeder on August 05, 2007, 11:02:19 AM
Traveler bull?
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Post by: Telos on August 05, 2007, 02:23:48 PM

Scotch Cap. XXCC  - Wondering were you've been? Great maternal bull. Seems like everything came to a standstill with trying to trace more PHA lines. Any info?
Still curious about PC Metric 707 and some of his relatives.
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Post by: Zach on May 29, 2008, 05:20:48 PM
. thoght this was a grwat thread, bumping for a freind
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Post by: red on May 29, 2008, 07:14:58 PM
come on Zach, you were one of the masters at it!

Red  (clapping)
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Post by: Zach on May 29, 2008, 07:38:42 PM
good ol google

 <hero>
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Post by: aj on May 29, 2008, 10:03:55 PM
No picture but there was a old simmental bull refered to as old number ten. This was back before simmies looked like angus. :)
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Post by: red on May 30, 2008, 10:24:50 AM
OK Zach- here we go!

(http://www2.semexusa.com/images/BULL/BEEF/Theobald969.jpg)
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on May 30, 2008, 10:27:30 AM
Theobald 969?
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Post by: red on May 30, 2008, 10:30:17 AM
dang you're good Justin!

Red  (clapping)

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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on May 30, 2008, 10:35:06 AM
Well he does have the 969 freeze brand on his hip.  That, and I've got a few friends with simmi's  (lol)    How come it is that I know the bulls that I have, nor ever will, use?
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Post by: Zach on May 30, 2008, 11:07:25 AM
.
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Post by: Chap on May 30, 2008, 12:18:34 PM
lucky Dice
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Post by: Zach on May 30, 2008, 12:19:02 PM
yup  <cowboy>
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Post by: linnettejane on May 31, 2008, 07:31:47 AM
who's this?
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Post by: frostback on May 31, 2008, 08:45:49 AM
DJ Databank
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Post by: frostback on May 31, 2008, 08:49:14 AM
Try this one.
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Post by: aj on May 31, 2008, 09:49:28 AM
Looks like a limi...was the picture taken in Oklahoma?
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Post by: Telos on May 31, 2008, 10:15:14 AM

Is that 747 sire of the crazy ones?
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Post by: frostback on May 31, 2008, 10:41:22 AM
Not sure where the photo was taken. No it is not 747.
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Post by: Endless Meadows on October 27, 2008, 04:09:51 PM
Wondering if I could put in a new twist.  I've got a bull but can anyone find pictures of him???   DMCC Dr Pepper   <cowboy>
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Post by: aj on October 27, 2008, 04:14:13 PM
The old no 10 bull was galant. 10 was his registration number.
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Post by: CPL on November 01, 2008, 09:09:49 PM
Here's one. He's a pretty recent bull, but I wonder how many have seen this picture of him.
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Post by: aj on November 10, 2008, 07:47:25 PM
What is his sire or some other hints?
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Post by: ROMAX on November 30, 2008, 09:50:16 PM
Is the bulls name Lad offered by genex
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Post by: CPL on December 01, 2008, 05:46:38 PM
Is the bulls name Lad offered by genex

No but good guess. Consistent genetics? They have the same sire. More hints, he's a '04 and comes from _________ _________ university's herd.

EDIT- spelling 
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Post by: Doc on December 03, 2008, 07:54:25 PM
 Here's one. He was a full Irish import.
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Post by: Doc on December 03, 2008, 08:46:04 PM
Wondering if I could put in a new twist.  I've got a bull but can anyone find pictures of him???   DMCC Dr Pepper   <cowboy>


 Here's what I found.
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Post by: aj on December 04, 2008, 06:24:49 PM
Is your imported bull balyart advancer or something like that?
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Post by: Doc on December 04, 2008, 06:57:55 PM
Is your imported bull balyart advancer or something like that?

 Nope, He was known more for his dtrs, except for 1 full Irish son. The son was even probably more popular than his sire.
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Post by: justintime on December 05, 2008, 08:37:18 AM
Is the bull Hazel leap?
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Post by: Doc on December 05, 2008, 11:10:39 AM
Is the bull Hazel leap?

  Correct!! <party>
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Post by: Endless Meadows on December 05, 2008, 11:20:48 AM
How about this bull.  Anyone know?
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Post by: red on December 05, 2008, 12:13:58 PM
breed?
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Post by: MYT Farms on December 05, 2008, 12:24:44 PM
How about this bull.  Anyone know?

Shorthorn?
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Post by: Endless Meadows on December 05, 2008, 12:47:54 PM
Yes, he is a shorthorn
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Post by: Endless Meadows on December 05, 2008, 05:45:21 PM
Here's one. He's a pretty recent bull, but I wonder how many have seen this picture of him.
The hereford bull on page 44 is CSU Ram Dominator 4203
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Post by: Doc on December 05, 2008, 07:40:25 PM
 K-Kim Irish Elite
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Post by: happyrock on December 05, 2008, 09:52:52 PM
is the limo bull Harvest Olympus, photo taken at Goldenview Farms??
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Post by: CPL on December 07, 2008, 12:25:07 PM
Here's one. He's a pretty recent bull, but I wonder how many have seen this picture of him.
The hereford bull on page 44 is CSU Ram Dominator 4203
yep sure is, do you know this one?
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Post by: Endless Meadows on December 08, 2008, 10:13:59 AM
K-Kim Irish Elite


You are very close doc.  This might give it away but it is a son of Irish Elite
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Post by: MYT Farms on December 08, 2008, 10:34:31 AM
Here's one. He's a pretty recent bull, but I wonder how many have seen this picture of him.
The hereford bull on page 44 is CSU Ram Dominator 4203
yep sure is, do you know this one?


No I don't, but I want some semen out of that guy!  :D
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Post by: Endless Meadows on December 08, 2008, 03:56:53 PM
Here's one. He's a pretty recent bull, but I wonder how many have seen this picture of him.
The hereford bull on page 44 is CSU Ram Dominator 4203
yep sure is, do you know this one?

Is it a different picture of advance domino???
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Post by: Doc on December 08, 2008, 05:20:24 PM
K-Kim Irish Elite


You are very close doc.  This might give it away but it is a son of Irish Elite

 K-Kim Elite Design
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Post by: Endless Meadows on December 09, 2008, 09:43:29 AM
Ding!!!!!!  It is Elite Design
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Post by: Doc on December 11, 2008, 08:21:45 PM
 Shorthorn bull. Used in his later years pretty heavily in Michigan. Known for his dtrs.
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Post by: Endless Meadows on December 12, 2008, 10:15:26 AM
You got me Doc.  i can't say tht I have ever seen that picture before.  Native or Import?
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Post by: Doc on December 12, 2008, 05:32:31 PM
You got me Doc.  i can't say tht I have ever seen that picture before.  Native or Import?

 Native. reg. as Dual Purpose
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Post by: justintime on December 13, 2008, 07:18:01 PM
This has to be Thornwood Major......... bred by Graham Land and Livestock.... later used by Dick Braman and family in Michigan
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Post by: Doc on December 13, 2008, 07:38:36 PM
  Bingo!! JIT.  The last Major dtr we had was Windholme Frontine 120 , that we bought from Shadybrook. She was a milking fool.
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Post by: CPL on December 17, 2008, 07:08:38 AM
Here's one. He's a pretty recent bull, but I wonder how many have seen this picture of him.
The hereford bull on page 44 is CSU Ram Dominator 4203
yep sure is, do you know this one?


Ok sorry for the late reply, but he's Donald Domino 16th born in 1936. I'd say semen is probably extinct. lol
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Post by: Endless Meadows on December 22, 2008, 04:35:32 PM
Here is another oldie but a goodie for everyone to try.  Shorthorn bull born 1965 with Scottish influence.  The second picture is the bull at 8 years old on pasture.
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Post by: justintime on December 23, 2008, 08:29:18 PM
Is this Clipper King of USA?
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on December 23, 2008, 08:33:03 PM
Is this Clipper King of USA?


I think you're right JIT....by the looks of him, he could sire some wicked club calves today!
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Post by: Endless Meadows on December 24, 2008, 10:56:05 AM
Well that was easier than I thought it would be, but yes the bull is Clipper King of USA
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on December 24, 2008, 12:52:21 PM
Well that was easier than I thought it would be, but yes the bull is Clipper King of USA

I've seen those pics before, and I'm sure JIT is quite familiar with the bull....and you also posted the pics as CK and CK8...not exactly a DEAD giveaway, but if someone had an inkling....awesome bull though!
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Post by: justintime on December 24, 2008, 03:02:48 PM
Just a note on the top picture of Clipper King of USA. If you think there is a lot of photo editing done today, take a look at this picture and almost all pictures from that era. It was very common practice back then to hand paint the backs and butts on the pictures and make the back straighter and the butt bigger. And of course the tail switch painted on is a dead give away.

Back then some breed magazines would not publish pictures unless they could " make them better". To me, pictures from this era give you close to no idea of how good a bull actually was. Most of them, in fact, look the same.
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Post by: stangs13 on January 03, 2009, 09:59:20 PM
is the limo bull Harvest Olympus, photo taken at Goldenview Farms??

I think your right!!
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Post by: OH Breeder on January 13, 2009, 12:12:27 AM
You will find this bull alot of pedigrees. He is listed in one of the more popular later to market sires today.
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Post by: Endless Meadows on January 13, 2009, 09:35:01 AM
I have seen that picture before and if memory serves me correct it was in an old add for TPS Coronet Leader 21st and it was listed as his sire CORONET MAX LEADER?
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Post by: justintime on January 13, 2009, 12:16:37 PM
I think you are right EM, that is Coronet Max Leader, the sire of Leader 21 and many other leading cattle from the late 50s and early 60s.
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Post by: OH Breeder on January 16, 2009, 09:10:14 PM
I think you are right EM, that is Coronet Max Leader, the sire of Leader 21 and many other leading cattle from the late 50s and early 60s.


Correct!
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Post by: Silent Hollow Farm on January 26, 2009, 08:23:06 PM
Get this one might be easy!!
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Post by: Zach on January 26, 2009, 08:36:46 PM
dejavu (i knew that one without cheating  ;) )
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Post by: Silent Hollow Farm on January 27, 2009, 05:11:26 PM
this time not so easy.... ;D
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Post by: OH Breeder on January 27, 2009, 10:16:24 PM
this time not so easy.... ;D
By the looks of the legs, I would think we are talking 80's. Percentage Chi? Any other hints?
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Post by: Zach on January 27, 2009, 11:01:06 PM
search the thread OHB, this pic has been posted before i think
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: CPL on January 28, 2009, 07:11:29 PM
Anyone know this one? Hopefully it hasn't been posted before.

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Silent Hollow Farm on January 28, 2009, 07:40:42 PM
this time not so easy.... ;D
By the looks of the legs, I would think we are talking 80's. Percentage Chi? Any other hints?
You're right 78% chi
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: ROMAX on January 30, 2009, 07:47:06 AM
In the 80's that black calf could have been a purebred angus, i have no idea but will guess POWER PLANT?
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Post by: Zach on January 30, 2009, 11:32:06 AM
it aint powerplant, powerplant is in this thread though
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Wiley on January 31, 2009, 01:26:10 AM
Is it playray???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on January 31, 2009, 04:06:34 PM
playray was also posted

i'll say strutt, even though he's already been posted too
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Wiley on February 02, 2009, 10:10:23 AM
im pretty sure that black calf on this page is a play ray i was going threw old chi semen this summer and seen that picture
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Post by: Zach on February 02, 2009, 04:30:39 PM
play ray is a baldy... its not playray
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Post by: Endless Meadows on February 02, 2009, 04:31:51 PM
The shorthorn bull is "Ringmaster" the 1910, 1911, and 1913 champion at the International
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Post by: Zach on February 02, 2009, 04:34:23 PM
this is playray
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Post by: Silent Hollow Farm on February 02, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
The black bull on the previous page is KK New Design. He is on bovine Elite selling semen still 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on February 08, 2009, 09:24:15 PM
Got any ideas on this bull?  If he was alive today, people would be paying just to pet him.
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Post by: justintime on February 08, 2009, 09:37:19 PM
OK... OK... I am obviously way too tired !!! I really made this too hard! That is, it might be hard if you can't read. In fact his name is on there twice.

Oh well, now I have to look for another bull to try to stump some of you.

Pheasant Creek Leader 4th was born in 1968 and was the Grand Champion Bull at the Regina Bull Sale. He sold for $7300 to Remitall Cattle Co. Olds, AB and he was the last herdsire at Remitall before they dispersed their Shorthorn herd. It is my opinion that Leader 4th was the best of the Leader line. His sire was the best son of Leader 21, Kinnaber Leader 6th ( IMHO). His dam was a great cow then and would be in any era and was bred in the good herd of Walter Larsen, Carrington, ND. Her name was Hiway Honeysuckle.

Leader 4th was cherry red, homozygous polled and weighed 2250 lb on pasture as a two year old bull. He looked just as good coming in from breeding as he did going out.  I have used him on some bigger cows in the past and the results are really good. There are only 6 vials of his semen left and I have it. I could cry right now, as I had a tank with over 100  vials of his semen rupture and I lost it all as well as 200 doses of some other pretty good bulls and 28 embryos.
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Post by: MYT Farms on February 09, 2009, 11:18:14 AM
There are only 6 vials of his semen left and I have it. I could cry right now, as I had a tank with over 100  vials of his semen rupture and I lost it all as well as 200 doses of some other pretty good bulls and 28 embryos.

Man, gotta hate it when that happens.  Sorry for the loss of all that valuable semen.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Doc on February 09, 2009, 07:41:25 PM
Got any ideas on this bull?  If he was alive today, people would be paying just to pet him.

 JIT, For the time frame of his birth, he sure looks more like a modern type bull. He is definitely a good looking bull.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: steerjock48 on February 09, 2009, 09:10:29 PM
He is adorable - is he zach's donkey???  ;D ;D ;D

SJCC - yup the 80s (can't give you a birth year 'cause red goes thru all the herd sire directories looking at years!) Born in Iowa -
gizmo
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: steerjock48 on February 09, 2009, 09:12:17 PM
is the roan bull gizmo
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on February 10, 2009, 04:47:25 PM
im pretty sure all the bulls have been solved, look for later posts
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Post by: Wiley on February 10, 2009, 05:17:24 PM
idk if this has been in here before but here ya go
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Post by: knabe on February 10, 2009, 05:59:57 PM
ice pick
exclamation
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Post by: Wiley on February 10, 2009, 10:02:48 PM
if your taling about the one i posted negative on the ice pick
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: hill321 on February 12, 2009, 06:50:57 PM
Nuf Said
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Post by: CJB on March 10, 2009, 03:01:11 PM
Give this one a shot.
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Post by: Jason on March 10, 2009, 08:55:38 PM
moved in back into the big show before retiring to hall of fame, too good of a thread
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: LN on March 10, 2009, 09:06:06 PM
Give this one a shot.

I believe that is PTL Trendsetter, black Simmi bull from the early 90s.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: RSC on March 10, 2009, 09:40:25 PM
NFM
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Post by: OH Breeder on March 10, 2009, 09:42:03 PM
NFM


ICE CHEST
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: RSC on March 10, 2009, 09:44:48 PM
NFM


ICE CHEST
Ya found that picture tonight!

Pretty easy when I post it, LOL!

Tony
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: CJB on March 11, 2009, 07:32:45 AM
I believe that is PTL Trendsetter, black Simmi bull from the early 90s.

Right on.  I'm going to have to try harder.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: CJB on March 11, 2009, 08:39:12 AM
Another
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: cbcfarms on March 11, 2009, 08:42:43 AM
Another

is that tc freedom 104?

i know i've seen this bull before, that's just the only thing that i can think of looking like him.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: cattleking on March 18, 2009, 08:37:13 AM
I have the easiest bull to figure out, dont even need a pic, which bull leads semen sales but has recenly stop producing semen, in about a month its already up to 500$ a straw! He for sure IS the best composite out there!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on March 18, 2009, 03:45:39 PM
I have the easiest bull to figure out, dont even need a pic, which bull leads semen sales but has recenly stop producing semen, in about a month its already up to 500$ a straw! He for sure IS the best composite out there!

what was that one bulls name? he had the awesome cross eyes and big goofy lookin face. i think he was jills. that must be it  ;)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Easy on March 30, 2009, 09:08:08 AM
I have the easiest bull to figure out, dont even need a pic, which bull leads semen sales but has recenly stop producing semen, in about a month its already up to 500$ a straw! He for sure IS the best composite out there!

Heat Wave!!!!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: cattleking on April 26, 2009, 06:56:09 PM
Yup, but semen is probably  your life's savings now!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Shady Lane on April 27, 2009, 01:42:49 PM
I really enjoyed this thread and read every page. Especially the Shorthorn Posts!

So I think I can come up with a few interesting bulls myself.


Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on April 28, 2009, 10:11:56 PM
Jamie, that must be the notorious Hulkster..... is that right?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Shady Lane on April 29, 2009, 04:29:32 PM
That would be correct!

DJS Hulkster,

He was a Seville son out of Steck's "Goose" cow.

He was owned in part by Hunt Farms in Ontario Canada.

Hulkster females were at the time probably some of the most winning females in Canada.

When I was a kid they were the ones to beat.

  Herdsman Murray Pimmet and Bobbie Goble who worked there at the time got a lot of mileage out of those cattle.

Bigger was better and they were Big!

We bought a Hulkster daughter from one of Hunts production sales in the early 90's and we went with a Charolais breeder who was a neighbour of ours to pick her up a few days after the sale.

I remember standing in the pen at Hunts and Harrold declaring, "That's the biggest cow I have ever seen in my life".

To this day I think he might be right.

She was MAMMOTH!

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on April 29, 2009, 04:40:43 PM
Hulkster was one of three triplet bull calves born from the Goose female of Steck's. They resulted from 3 embryos not being removed after a flush was completed. If memory serves me right the smallest of the triplets was 90 lbs. The three calves weighed over 300 lbs combined at birth. I would think that cow was greatly relieved when that pregnancy was completed!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Shady Lane on April 29, 2009, 11:47:52 PM
Ok, here is another bull that saw some use on both sides of the border I believe.

  He was bron and bred in Canada, from a combination of Canadian, American and Australian genetics.

Some of the cattle in my fathers herd trace back to this bull many generations back, this bull left some great females.

  Justintime and some of the other Canadians will likely know this one right away.

I believe this bull was shown in Denver when I was about Knee High, and I also believe there is a story of him posting one of the heighest weights, or WPDA for SH bulls at that time?



Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on May 02, 2009, 08:22:08 AM
Manitoba Sunrise...sired  by Crestdale Super Flag 14G. Manitoba Sunrise was the heaviest WPDA Shorthorn bull ever shown at Denver at that time. Lynn Ewald in Minnesota had  purchased the US rights and showed him in Denver. He was also a herd sire at Saskvalley for several years.His sire Crestdale Super Flag 14G sold for $41,500 at the Regina Bull Sale in 1973. He was so impressive at that time, that many leading Hereford, Angus and Shorthorn breeders at the time tried to buy him. He was purchased by a partnership of 4 Saskatchewan Shorthorn breeders. The runner up bidder was Beartooth Ranch in Montana. I think the electricity in the sale ring was the greatest I have ever seen in my lifetime. People flew in, from all over North America to see this bull when word got out about him. There was probably over 2500 people packed in the sale ring when he sold and it took over an hour to complete the sale of him.
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Post by: vcsf on May 03, 2009, 01:52:30 AM
JIT did they not have problems ever getting much good semen froze on Super Flag 14G after the sale or was that a different bull that sold through Regina about that time.  I wondered if the picture was Manitoba Sunrise.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on May 05, 2009, 10:11:30 PM
You are right, in that Crestdale Super Flag 14G did not produce much good semen. He did produce some though and there was enough produced that the insurance company did not pay the buyers out.The insurance company even had private investigators hired to try to watch the bull on pasture and see if he was breeding cows. He was breeding them all right but few got pregnant.It was a very strange deal as he had excellent testicles and he did produce one batch of excellent quality semen ( of which there is still some around). He ended up being one of the highest priced gomer bulls in the industry.

14G went on the win the Grand Champion honours at the 1980 World Shorthorn Conference show at the Calgary Stampede. He weighed 2700 lbs as a three year old bull, and was pretty impressive. ( they had a special mature bull class for this show). At one time, there were a bunch of 14G daughters at Huberdale, and they were excellent brood cows for them. I still have about 100 doses of his sire, Mandalong Super Flag, in my tanks, and it maybe time to try some again. It may be interesting to use this on some of today's genetics.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Shady Lane on May 06, 2009, 12:44:40 PM
I remember some Super Flag daughters at Scotsdale when I was a kid.

They were some impressive cows.

I bet their are some modern gentics that he'd still work on.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: vcsf on May 06, 2009, 02:52:35 PM
Calling him a high priced gomer bull reminds me of a story my dad told about running into Edgar Philpott at the stockyards one time.  Edgar had hauled in a very impressive looking about three year old Charolais heifer and asked dad what he thought of it.  Edgar then said it was some of the most expensive hamburger either one of them had ever seen as he had imported the heifer from France only to discover that she was a freemartin after she never cycled.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Shady Lane on May 23, 2009, 03:32:36 PM
Here is another SH bull bred in Western Canada that the locals wll likely get quickly, he saw some use in Canada, not sure if he was marketed in the U.S or not.

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on May 25, 2009, 07:47:28 PM
I think I know, but I will wait to let some others try and figure out who this bull may be. If he is the bull I am thinking of, he is out of an Irish Mist daughter that I sold at Agribition in 1982. She was also the dam of a heifer that was Grand Champion female at Denver in the mid 80s.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: happyrock on May 25, 2009, 08:34:24 PM
Here is another SH bull bred in Western Canada that the locals wll likely get quickly, he saw some use in Canada, not sure if he was marketed in the U.S or not.



an Irish Mist Grandson, through his Sire Poplar Park Mist 4R.  My guess is JT Titan, a bull who is stacked in a lot of Saskatchewan, and Manitoba pedigreed Shorthorns.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Shady Lane on May 25, 2009, 11:53:17 PM
Bingo,

That would be right, JT Titan.

I remember the Titan daughters when I was a kid, I think he saw a fair bit of use in Canada, but I'm unsure if he was ever used in the U.S?
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Post by: LN on June 03, 2009, 12:11:45 PM
Here's a bull for y'all.

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: vcsf on June 03, 2009, 12:46:59 PM
That would be the Simmental bull MV Red Light 406D.
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Post by: LN on June 03, 2009, 12:55:08 PM
That would be the Simmental bull MV Red Light 406D.

Very good!
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Post by: knabe on June 03, 2009, 03:15:44 PM
is he a "fullblood"?  he's solid patterned, is he polled, and he looks a little darker shaded.

what's the bonsmara connection????
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Endless Meadows on June 16, 2009, 11:32:36 AM
Here is another one to try.  It is probably a different picture than what is usually seen of the bull.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on June 16, 2009, 02:30:37 PM
Is that Kinnaber Leader 6th?
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Post by: Endless Meadows on June 16, 2009, 04:32:44 PM
It is, apparently that was too easy.
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 16, 2009, 04:59:16 PM
Man JIT, I knew it was a Leader, just couldnt remember which one.  I think I saw that picture in a stack at someones house...can't exactly remember whose house now...
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: smokey on June 27, 2009, 07:42:32 PM
Can anyone guess who this old boy is?
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Post by: justintime on June 28, 2009, 12:25:03 PM
I am thinking this is GS Touche' 3XA, who was bred and owned by Guy Sumption, Fredrick, SD. Touche was a bull that was ahead of his time and should have been used more than he was. He really made them thick. He sired good cattle in both sexes. The Sumptions are some of the very early club calf producers in the US. I can remember as a young kid, dreaming of getting a steer from the famous Sumption Bros. steer and heifer sale. Even back in the early 60s, their top steers were bringing $4000- $5000.
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Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on June 28, 2009, 12:54:10 PM
I've been trying to find a picture of Touche, he's the grandsire of both of my best cows. I can see where they get their thickness now.  The Sonny x Touche cow looks VERY much like her grandsire.
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Post by: smokey on June 28, 2009, 04:02:32 PM
I am thinking this is GS Touche' 3XA, who was bred and owned by Guy Sumption, Fredrick, SD. Touche was a bull that was ahead of his time and should have been used more than he was. He really made them thick. He sired good cattle in both sexes. The Sumptions are some of the very early club calf producers in the US. I can remember as a young kid, dreaming of getting a steer from the famous Sumption Bros. steer and heifer sale. Even back in the early 60s, their top steers were bringing $4000- $5000.

Bingo!
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Post by: smokey on June 28, 2009, 04:06:49 PM
I've been trying to find a picture of Touche, he's the grandsire of both of my best cows. I can see where they get their thickness now.  The Sonny x Touche cow looks VERY much like her grandsire.

Yep, Touche' was a very thick bull with lots of muscle.

Here are a couple of more pictures of Touche' that I had.   Enjoy!

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Endless Meadows on June 29, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
He is also the grandsire of one of my best cows who, at 10, will most likely be getting flushed a few times after calving next spring.  She has been a great cow, weans a good calf, and always stays in the same condition.  It doesn't seem to matter if she has a calf nursing or is on cornstalks.  The only downside is that her calves tend to be right around 110lbs every year.  We've bred her to everything from monster BW bulls to proven low BW bulls and have only had two calves under 100 lbs (her first calf 78 and last year 96lbs).  I would like to get some semen on the old bull.  Does anyone know where it can be found?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: smokey on July 01, 2009, 10:43:44 PM
I would like to get some semen on the old bull.  Does anyone know where it can be found?

I would also like to know myself.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on August 07, 2009, 12:03:42 AM
HIs father has two daughters still active in the US. His name began with a number and letter. Scottish influence bull.Was approved for native grass programs.
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Post by: justintime on August 15, 2009, 08:22:19 AM
Is this Four Dees Command 50th x?
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Post by: OH Breeder on August 23, 2009, 06:18:04 PM
Is this Four Dees Command 50th x?

No. Many consider his number in his name lucky.
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Post by: justintime on August 24, 2009, 08:34:45 AM
When you say his name starts with a number and a letter, I think he has to be a Four Dees or a Seven T's bull. Is this a correct assumption?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: elmo radke on August 24, 2009, 04:02:54 PM
That would be G 9 2975
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Post by: vcsf on August 26, 2009, 12:41:46 AM
That would be Seven T's King Ambrose sired by Clipper King of USA.
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Post by: Endless Meadows on August 27, 2009, 04:14:43 PM
I knew I had seen that picture somewhere before.  After hearing the 7T's I remembered.  There is a picture of the bull on the Hidden Hill Farms website under his sire Clipper King USA.
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Post by: knabe on August 29, 2009, 12:23:02 AM
here's a decent bull

not sure why it flipped sideways.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: OH Breeder on September 03, 2009, 10:08:10 PM
That would be Seven T's King Ambrose sired by Clipper King of USA.

Correct
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Post by: Soehnlen Cattle Co. on September 16, 2009, 06:19:44 AM
not a old bull, but a good one
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Post by: knabe on September 17, 2009, 11:27:02 PM
oklahoma storm?
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Post by: Soehnlen Cattle Co. on September 18, 2009, 07:44:49 AM
oklahoma storm?
nope
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Post by: Zach on September 18, 2009, 03:33:26 PM
larry
sunseeker?

knabe : sugar ray
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Post by: Soehnlen Cattle Co. on September 18, 2009, 05:26:26 PM
larry
sunseeker?

knabe : sugar ray
Dang I forgot to get rid of the caption that said "Larry"! But anyways he is Larry the Cable Guy. He is a Heat Wave son out of Habanero's dam. He would be a maternal brother to Habanero and Dr.Hook.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on September 18, 2009, 11:08:25 PM
knabe : sugar ray

no.  early calving ease bull.  PHA free, but dalton in background.
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Post by: maine_man on September 20, 2009, 06:13:08 PM
Could it be Sandhills Cody??
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Post by: knabe on September 21, 2009, 12:02:26 AM
Could it be Sandhills Cody??

that is a great guess, but no.  a full sib is in cody's pedigree.

got a pic of cody?
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Post by: vcsf on September 21, 2009, 01:21:55 AM
PC Metric 707H.   Just a guess that fits your hints I think.
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Post by: knabe on September 21, 2009, 07:19:35 AM
correct.

here's the ad.

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Post by: HerefordGuy on September 26, 2009, 12:03:56 AM
Herf96 indirectly lead me to this bull.  Picture came from AHA website.  That should be hints enough!
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Post by: Jason on January 13, 2010, 10:40:13 PM
bump to the big show, lets get this started again
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Post by: knabe on January 13, 2010, 10:57:43 PM
i will be impressed if anyone gets this one.  he is a fullblood german bull.  i left part of the name in for a hint.

i guarantee you, you will be suprised what it is.

cowboy, take special notice.

another hint.  he has the same 2nd name as a popular, in my opinion, a lesser bull.  i will stand by that after it is revealed.

another hint, since no one will get this.  he will show up in angus II pedigrees.
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Post by: xxcc on January 13, 2010, 11:02:10 PM
Shandon Ali
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Post by: knabe on January 13, 2010, 11:04:29 PM
well.  that's the bull i was telling you about.

any guesses besides xxcc what breed he is?
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Post by: GoWyo on January 13, 2010, 11:54:26 PM
Freisian?
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Post by: justintime on January 14, 2010, 12:04:26 AM
Is it Adolf the Black and white bull? And my guess is that he is a Friesan as well.
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Post by: knabe on January 14, 2010, 12:21:56 AM
he's shandon ali, a beef friesian used by tim ohlde.  i can't remember if imported him or not, i think so.
he also used herman the german a 3/4, mr. beefy, 1/2blood and a few others.  i remember a couple of fullbloods that stood out as calves.  it's really too bad color mattered so much.
every once in a while you would get a really wild awesome calf.  probably the best one i ever saw we found dead of pneumonia.  i remember a red and white one that was just as impressive.
of course like anything, mr. beefy i think, had a really nice bull, 034 that looked awesome but was inconsistent with his calves.  don't remember defects, but i think there might have been some but wouldn't have been the reason they quit using them.  that probably had a lot to do with 6807 and a shift of customers, and probably just a seen opportunity as the industry was too huge back then, ie sugar ray. likes to likes was probably seen as the way to go.

i have an old catalog of straight beef friesians i will throw up some pics.  they look no where near as impressive as ali.
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Post by: knabe on January 14, 2010, 12:30:21 AM
more.  i wrote down a bunch of bulls he used back then.
angus
fennir of wye
linebacker of wye
shoshone
schearbrook extra
conway 4276
313 rito 1200
rito 8156 of ideal

chi's
black answer (ohlde bull)
lombard
ino's perfection
yuma
ildeno (duh)
r47
r241
big g.
coon (kinda liked him)

amerifax
e80k
adam
308
profile
hi point (another favorite of mine)
red baron (awesome bull)
gymnast 68t
gymmie
marathon
red major

brahman
V8 ( i liked him)
suva
r 603
r 602

maine's
cunia
power plant
of these, i remember them being big and coarse jointed, tremendous hip structure 2nd to the friesians, blacks, reds, some not solid though not many.
what was consistent was udders, tail heads, slope of rump pretty much between all the breeds.  i guess that's what a breeder does.  also of note is that maine's had the easiest to get defects with the most disturbing one being immune system.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Cowboy on January 14, 2010, 12:56:18 AM
Mark -- I knew immediately I was looking at one of the old imported Friesian bulls, but would have had to do some research on the bulls name.

If any one would like to have a facinating conversation, contact the one and only controler of the breed today -- now called Irish Blacks -- they are all direct decendents from line breeding three Friesian family lines. Look up Irish Blacks on the web, you will find a Mr Maurice Boney from Johnstown Colo as the guru of genetics!

I had the very distinct pleasure of doing the flushes on the very first three cows he ever flushed, and that was in 1982!! We became and still are very good friends -- we go back a LONG ways -- and have many bumpy rides that we survived together. He is alive and well yet -- WELL into his 80's now --sharp as a new steel needle too I might add!!

Good memories Mark -- now I REALLY feel old!

The main bull he used then was Troyscastle Ali II -- and I would almost bet he would be a decendent of this bull some place close up! The power of pedigrees -- it will always be a force to recon with!

Terry
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Post by: Telos on January 14, 2010, 02:33:20 AM
I remember taking 5 Beef Fresian x Angus heifers to sell in Denver for Bill Corbin. They were really fancy. For whatever reason, Bill did not care for them as well as his Emulous line of Angus.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on January 14, 2010, 09:05:19 AM
I believe it was either 1977 or 1978, myself and 4 friends piled in a car and headed to Mankato KS to Beef Genetics Research, Inc, owned by Richard( D--K) Judy. The main purpose of the trip was to see the Irish Shorthorn cattle that we had heard that he had imported.We had just imported our first Irish cattle ourselves and we had heard from the Irish breeders that they had sent a shipment to the US. We learned about the Irish Shorthorns from a friend who had gone to Ireland to see the farm where his grandfather was born. It happened to be very close to the Deerpark herd, and he brought back a bunch of pictures of the cattle he had seen on the trip. When he returned home, he called myself and another friend, and asked us if we would like to see his pictures. We met in a hotel room in Regina, SK, where he showed us his slides on the hotel wall. It was that night that we made a decision to import some of these cattle, and within a few hours of that meeting, we had struck a deal with John Maloney in Ireland for a bull and 3 females. The bull was Highfield Irish Mist, and he cost us a grand total of just under $300. This purchase price included the testing and isolation costs in Ireland. We were to pay all costs from the time he left Ireland. He arrived in Canada, was quarantined on an island in the St Lawrence River, in Quebec, then trucked 2200 miles west and quarantined for an addition 6 weeks near Edmonton AB. When we finally had Mist home and added up the total costs, we had spent $2000 . Four year later we imported our second bull from Ireland, which was IDS Duke of Dublin. This time it cost us over $30,000 to purchase the  bull and get him to Canada. He arrived in the fall, and we decided to display him at the Denver show. We left Denver with over $40,000 in semen orders from the show alone.

 It was on this trip to Mankato KS, that we saw Deerpark Improver, Deerpark Dividend and several of the other original Irish Shorthorn imports. BGR also had imported several Simmental and Fresian cattle from Ireland and G Britain. One of the highlight of the trip that I remember was a pasture of about 50 Fresian and Fresian cross yearling heifers. They were excellent females and we commented many times afterwards, that if they were not black and white colored they could become a very popular breed. The Fresian cattle impressed me greatly.
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Post by: Zach on February 07, 2010, 10:05:27 PM
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Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Clark Club Calves on February 10, 2010, 12:47:56 PM
Here is one Maine bull I don't know if many will get it.  He is Canadian but promoted in the USA and Australia
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Post by: knabe on February 10, 2010, 03:55:56 PM
can i have one more hint please?  he has a calberta or epinal son look about him.
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Post by: vcsf on February 10, 2010, 04:32:40 PM
can i have one more hint please?  he has a calberta or epinal son look about him.

Think POLLED FULLBLOOD
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Post by: knabe on February 10, 2010, 05:01:41 PM
the count?
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Post by: vcsf on February 10, 2010, 05:05:19 PM
the count?

That was my guess we will have to wait and see if we are correct.
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Post by: FutureBreeder on February 10, 2010, 05:54:18 PM
(http://robbinscattleco.com/images/2008/mar10/Meyer734.jpg)

Lets see if you guys can get this one
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Post by: outspoken on February 10, 2010, 05:57:16 PM
um could be meyer 734???
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Post by: Clark Club Calves on February 10, 2010, 06:47:21 PM
Wow steer planet is pretty good.  It is "The Count" the first Polled Fullblood Maine Anjou registered in North America. We were going through boxes of old photos and found the pictures. We have pictures of him from the day he was born to the day he died. We even have the xrays that were taken to prove that he was not dehorned. He was a little short for his time period the bulls of that period were a lot taller. He worked great on Angus cows gave us great  F1 cows. We still have semen off him in our tank.
Here is file from the AMAA
http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=23645 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=23645)

and from Canada
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2423232E2F (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2423232E2F)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on February 10, 2010, 07:10:19 PM
the count looks much nicer than i would have thought.  no wonder calberta bought him, he looks like theirs.  he was used to flush one of their popular cows and somehow the embryo's ended up in australia and don't show up in either the american or canadian pedigrees.  i wish i knew how that happened.  interesting.
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Post by: Clark Club Calves on February 10, 2010, 07:27:27 PM
Calberta bought the Counts Mother the 9K cow when she was older 9 or 10 they flushed her.  They also bought PK Polo he was very good too he was off one our cows KBC Sally. She went to Texas in the dispersal  I think we have some semen off him in the tank too. Another son of the count was Handy's polled Ruler.  He was out of one of our cows.
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Post by: Zach on February 10, 2010, 07:40:46 PM
who is this?
(http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs174.snc3/20169_298838239388_248599394388_3583731_5717736_n.jpg)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: fullblood on February 10, 2010, 08:09:37 PM
any pic of mvh revivial?
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Post by: aj on February 10, 2010, 08:11:29 PM
What is the breed zach? Is it a white Angus?
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Post by: stangs13 on February 10, 2010, 08:13:02 PM
Ghost!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on February 10, 2010, 08:13:37 PM
of course it is.


...shorthorn
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Post by: stangs13 on February 10, 2010, 08:13:54 PM
([url]http://robbinscattleco.com/images/2008/mar10/Meyer734.jpg[/url])

Lets see if you guys can get this one


haha..thats way to easy...everyone knows 734!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on February 10, 2010, 08:14:29 PM
Ghost!!!!!!!!

did you see it the same place I did? I wasn't fast enough
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: stangs13 on February 10, 2010, 08:15:37 PM
Ghost!!!!!!!!

did you see it the same place I did? I wasn't fast enough

haha, yes i did... he looks nice.  I was really close on another one of the contests..it was even harder, a much older bull to find.
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Post by: ROMAX on February 10, 2010, 11:54:42 PM
who is this?
([url]http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs174.snc3/20169_298838239388_248599394388_3583731_5717736_n.jpg[/url])
Is this pic distorted or what?he looks super stout in his front legs and fine boned on his back.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: vcsf on February 11, 2010, 12:22:01 AM
Here is one for you to try.  I hope the picture comes out decent.
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Post by: HerefordGuy on February 11, 2010, 01:42:29 AM
Here is one for you to try.  I hope the picture comes out decent.

My money is on Knabe to get this.  ;D
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Post by: vcsf on February 11, 2010, 02:19:38 PM
Here is one for you to try.  I hope the picture comes out decent.

My money is on Knabe to get this.  ;D

knabe doesn't seem to be willing to take a shot at this nor does somebody like fullblood.

Here is a small hint the bull was probably used by Calberta more than anywhere else.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on February 11, 2010, 02:40:54 PM
apricot
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Post by: knabe on February 11, 2010, 03:22:39 PM
apricot

that would be abricot, although it's a translation of apricot.

i don't know who it is so i'll think a bit.  i guessed on the count, never seen a pic, and thought there were scurs in the pic so at first i didn't think it was him.

here's a guess without thinking about it.   marquis?  if it is, then he has more quarter than i thought he would.
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Post by: FutureBreeder on February 11, 2010, 03:46:58 PM
(http://moranmustangs.org/philg/files/2009/12/michael_jordan_drunk.jpg)

Another famous bull of a different type  <party>
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on February 11, 2010, 04:02:20 PM
i hear he was a good heifer bull.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: vcsf on February 11, 2010, 04:05:12 PM
No, Zach that is not the answer.

knabe, I really do not know anything about this bull but somebody asked so I posted it.  Here is a picture of Marquis for you that came from the same ad.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on February 11, 2010, 04:06:12 PM
Calberta. Oh my. Let's see there was was Calberta Silver 6g, Kodiak9K, Leader 17H, Commander 40... I'm I getting close?
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Post by: vcsf on February 11, 2010, 04:20:24 PM
Calberta. Oh my. Let's see there was was Calberta Silver 6g, Kodiak9K, Leader 17H, Commander 40... I'm I getting close?

Used at Calberta but it is not part of his name.  I believe he was imported very late in the game (not positive on that) and similar to Zach's guess his sire had the same name as a Simmental bull who was better known.
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Post by: knabe on February 11, 2010, 04:21:45 PM
parisien? there's one other bull that had a simmental name.  can't quite remember right now.  dang.
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Post by: vcsf on February 11, 2010, 04:29:28 PM
parisien? there's one other bull that had a simmental name.  can't quite remember right now.  dang.

You are on the right track.
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Post by: knabe on February 11, 2010, 04:35:21 PM
without looking more, it better not be revival.
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Post by: Telos on February 11, 2010, 04:38:03 PM
How about MVH Signature? Knabe- Hope you don't guess it brfore me... ;D ??? ;D
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Post by: vcsf on February 11, 2010, 05:45:57 PM
without looking more, it better not be revival.


Had to go out to feed some animals and just got back in. 

knabe what would be wrong with it being MVH Revival.  Fullblood asked for a picture of him after the posts on The Count so I delivered one.

So yes you are correct it is Revival.
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Post by: knabe on February 11, 2010, 06:17:51 PM
knabe what would be wrong with it being MVH Revival. 

was hoping he had a little more poof in his rib and a squosh more depth.  he's a tight coupled booger, which, depending on what calberta was using him for would be ok if they got too long.  would be nice to know how many vertebrae's these old bulls had.  he's got a nice quarter on him which appeared to be lacking in most of their other lines.  i can see why they wanted him.
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Post by: fullblood on February 11, 2010, 06:43:46 PM
thanks for pic of revival.  I have a grand daughter out hady zircon reg.144912 and cunia on bottom side  i thinking on breeding her to revival or iabon  what do you think? cow weights around 1600 lbs .
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Post by: J Bar T Cattle on February 12, 2010, 07:52:10 AM
Was wondering if anyone could name this bull?
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Post by: jbw on February 12, 2010, 08:04:12 AM
Is it a DeJong bull?
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Post by: J Bar T Cattle on February 12, 2010, 08:59:09 AM
No-Don't think so.  He was displayed in Denver like maybe '91-'92ish
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Post by: afhm on February 12, 2010, 09:01:18 AM
No-Don't think so.  He was displayed in Denver like maybe '91-'92ish
That's not a old pic of Pistol Pete is it?
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Post by: jbh on February 12, 2010, 09:22:44 AM
Was wondering if anyone could name this bull?


COLD FRONT!!!  Right?
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Post by: J Bar T Cattle on February 12, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
That's not fair jbh you know my cows too well.
YES-the late great Cold Front
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Post by: frostback on February 12, 2010, 10:50:18 AM
Is that the Cold Front in Chill Factors pedigree?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: J Bar T Cattle on February 12, 2010, 07:44:42 PM
Yes, he was a double bred Cunia son raised by Herring Ranch and promoted by John Griswold, Sam Shuey, & Herring Ranch.
He died as  a coming two year old from an infection in his seminal vesicles.
If there is a bull worth cloning he would be the one. IMHO
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on February 13, 2010, 08:24:11 AM
This is a MVH Revival son
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Telos on February 13, 2010, 12:30:05 PM

We've been doing good finding pics of these older bulls. Was wondering if someone had a picture of the Stilts bull.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: clippityclop on February 16, 2010, 07:58:10 AM
I couldn't help but think of this thread when I came across this bull's photo the other day.  If the bull himself isn't so easy to name, I'd be interested in hearing what breed you think he is.
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Post by: redsimms on February 16, 2010, 08:03:09 AM
I guess Saler!!
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Post by: JoeBnTN on February 16, 2010, 08:17:57 AM
Is he a South Devon or Galloway?
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Post by: fullblood on February 16, 2010, 08:20:53 AM
looks like polled shorthorn? what year was he?
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Post by: clippityclop on February 16, 2010, 09:53:00 AM
Those are good guesses, but none of those are the right breed. 
The bull was born in 1969.
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Post by: HEAVEN_CATTLE on February 16, 2010, 10:40:38 AM
Maybe Red Angus    :-\
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Post by: Zach on February 16, 2010, 12:05:36 PM
he has a white tail... Pinzaguer?
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Post by: Cowfarmer65 on February 16, 2010, 12:10:59 PM
Is he a Lincoln Red
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Post by: vcsf on February 16, 2010, 12:35:39 PM
My guess on breed would be Luing.
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Post by: clippityclop on February 16, 2010, 12:59:48 PM
Just to bring you up to date, the last four guesses are incorrect as well.
Some good guesses though.
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Post by: GM on February 16, 2010, 01:26:59 PM
You said it wasn't South Devon, so I'm going to guess Devon ...Brightley Cardinal 2nd?
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Post by: vcsf on February 16, 2010, 04:03:25 PM
Going to go a different direction on breed and guess Angus and probably a fairly well known one.
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Post by: shorthorn boy on February 16, 2010, 04:27:16 PM
Red Poll?
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Post by: clippityclop on February 16, 2010, 04:51:46 PM
You're right shorthorn boy - he is a Red Poll.   I thought it might take a little longer than that for someone to get the right breed.
The bull's name is Rodeo Buster 17A.  He was born on May 24, 1969 and was bred by Harold Howe of Swalwell, Alberta.
I think he looks like a fairly impressive bull.
Thanks to everyone for their guesses.
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Post by: DL on February 16, 2010, 06:33:39 PM
Hey Merlin - how have you been? he is one for you!
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Post by: Shady Lane on February 16, 2010, 07:58:31 PM
I believe that to be the Black Angus bull commomly known as "Butter Ball".

 (thumbsup)
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Post by: DL on February 16, 2010, 08:42:17 PM
I believe that to be the Black Angus bull commomly known as "Butter Ball".

 (thumbsup)

Butterball is a turkey - this is a cow (right breed thought ;)
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Post by: clippityclop on February 16, 2010, 09:17:52 PM
Hello DL.  I'm fine - and hope that you are too.
I had absolutely no guess at your cow, so I cheated and called up a friend of mine. (You've been in contact with him through one of the other forums).
His thought was that she resembles Lucy of Eldorado.
If that's wrong, maybe someone else on the board who is a history guru will be able to answer.
I'll try and get organized enough to email you one of these times.
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Post by: frostback on February 16, 2010, 09:24:04 PM
Hey Merlin - how have you been? he is one for you!

Ya right, they say that purebred breeders are showing thier breeding animals too fat these days,wow. Sorry dont have a guess either but she is fat.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zach on February 16, 2010, 10:33:52 PM
she's not on the Harlan Ritchie thing so idk
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Post by: knabe on February 16, 2010, 10:58:16 PM
224x (just kidding)

erica?
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Post by: DL on February 17, 2010, 03:22:57 PM
3 time International Champion Female 1934, 35, 36 - does that help?

knabe - too old for 224X :)
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Post by: Zach on February 17, 2010, 03:28:05 PM
Queen Millie  <beer>
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Post by: AAOK on February 17, 2010, 04:12:59 PM
Queen Millie  <beer>

Queen Millie of Sundance
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Post by: DL on February 17, 2010, 07:20:22 PM
Queen Millie  <beer>

Queen Millie of Sundance

She is not Robert Redfords cow, although they may be close to the same age - assuming that she is still alive - which I doubt
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Post by: Zach on February 23, 2010, 07:50:04 PM
(http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs194.snc3/20173_323608984388_248599394388_3663617_3421746_n.jpg)

Don't post on this one Stangs.
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Post by: OH Breeder on February 23, 2010, 07:56:16 PM
Chi cross....lol I would guess.
Mid to Late 80's?
Half blood?
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Post by: AStar on February 23, 2010, 08:00:29 PM
Sugar Ray?
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Post by: herefordfootball on February 23, 2010, 08:00:39 PM
Freezer beef!!!  (lol) looks like a half blood like OHB said.
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Post by: Zach on February 23, 2010, 08:01:19 PM
Your on the right track. Not sugar ray. He's a full brother to another bull
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Post by: Zach on February 23, 2010, 08:37:09 PM
he is a 7/8 chi bull. Herd prefix is LF
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Post by: OH Breeder on February 23, 2010, 08:43:55 PM
Powerplay?
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Post by: Zach on February 23, 2010, 08:48:22 PM
nope.  <beer>
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Post by: Rancher74 on February 23, 2010, 08:49:33 PM
What prizes do you give??  Just saw this picture on Top Sires Facebook Page!!!  It's Advance Notice!  7/8 Chi Bull from Lauxmont Farms.  Top Sires runs a contest every Monday thru Wednesday with Guess the Name of The Bull..... They give out prizes every day from T-Shirts to Hats!  Check them out!
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Post by: Zach on February 23, 2010, 08:52:49 PM
I know, I won on the contest today  ;D I can give you a Karma Point. I'm too cheap for a real prize
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Post by: FutureBreeder on February 23, 2010, 09:53:22 PM
Howd that calf fit all of his insides in that little body.
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Post by: HEAVEN_CATTLE on February 24, 2010, 12:09:47 AM
I know, I won on the contest today  ;D I can give you a Karma Point. I'm too cheap for a real prize
Oh Zach u speedy typer u beat me by a hair!! (lol)
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Post by: Shady Lane on February 24, 2010, 03:30:17 PM
([url]http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs194.snc3/20173_323608984388_248599394388_3663617_3421746_n.jpg[/url])

Don't post on this one Stangs.



Quit trying to trick us!

This is clearly a Daschund on stilts.

 <beer>
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Post by: Zach on February 24, 2010, 04:02:28 PM
I know, I won on the contest today  ;D I can give you a Karma Point. I'm too cheap for a real prize
Oh Zach u speedy typer u beat me by a hair!! (lol)

couldn't have done it without you  <beer>
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Post by: OH Breeder on March 09, 2010, 10:35:06 PM
Did I miss the name of the bull?

When I went on Facebook to Topsires there was some stupid program embeded in the site and it tried to download a virus scanner.
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Post by: aj on March 10, 2010, 02:06:51 AM
Was this that sydicated bull?
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Post by: angus showman on March 10, 2010, 09:03:44 AM

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I did not know that Conoco was quite the legend he is I knew he was around here but this was before my time but he was a steer that won the chicago international raised by the lindskog family near prophetstown IL the steer was shown by brad lindskog they also had another steer that won it a few years prior or after. I know this cause my dad went to see him on display back home here when he returned from the international. I am also close friend with brads son we went to school together I believe tree lane farms IL named a bull conoco a couple years ago and his name came from this steer
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Post by: knabe on March 20, 2010, 02:34:42 PM
here's an older fullblood maine anjou bull.

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Post by: Telos on March 20, 2010, 03:21:07 PM
  Cunic
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Post by: fullblood on March 20, 2010, 06:45:59 PM
beleau
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Post by: knabe on March 20, 2010, 08:46:57 PM
telos no, fullblood no.
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Post by: Telos on March 20, 2010, 09:04:03 PM
Well then...Give us at least a hint unless you're waiting on XXCC, DL are some of the other obsessive pedigree compulsive planeteers.
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Post by: knabe on March 20, 2010, 09:21:41 PM
he had Bovine Leukosis Virus so he can't be exported.
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Post by: OH Breeder on March 20, 2010, 09:42:37 PM
LouLou?
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Post by: knabe on March 21, 2010, 09:45:39 AM
LouLou?

loulou is too thick and deep and wide for it to be him.   i think the pic is when he was a 3-year old.
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Post by: fullblood on March 21, 2010, 01:07:23 PM
is he a epinal son?
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Post by: knabe on March 21, 2010, 05:15:47 PM
his name is lido
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Post by: Premier on August 19, 2010, 04:36:36 PM
I love this stuff! That dachshund on wheels was a bull named Advance Notice. He was a son of Lombard and a full brother to Advance Copy. He came from Lauxmont Farms in Mo. If I didn't know better I would swear that pic was photoshopped!
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Post by: Shorthorn Girl on October 06, 2010, 04:33:49 PM
what breed is he?
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Post by: knabe on October 06, 2010, 11:22:35 PM
what breed is he?

who?
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Post by: Okotoks on September 19, 2011, 12:38:26 PM
Here's a Shorthorn bull from the 1950's.
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Post by: Shady Lane on September 19, 2011, 04:30:22 PM
Okotoks, would this be Bapton Constructor?

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Post by: scotland on September 19, 2011, 06:17:55 PM
looks like Calrossie Constellation many many times champion in the UK, from the small era.. but one of their bigger bulls. Man sons were exported to North America
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Post by: Okotoks on September 19, 2011, 08:57:43 PM
 Yes it is Constellation, the sire of Bapton Constructor as well as many others. There was a lot of linebreeding done to Constellation and his full brother Calrossie White Emblem (the sire of Remitall's Kelburn Great Event).
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Post by: Okotoks on September 20, 2011, 04:40:45 PM
Going way back, almost have to hope it was a poor artist!
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Post by: justintime on September 20, 2011, 04:44:57 PM
Is this Columbus?   Just kidding. He does have the same color!
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Post by: Shady Lane on September 20, 2011, 06:30:54 PM
Is this Columbus?   Just kidding. He does have the same color!

HAHAHAHAHA


 (thumbsup)


Isn't it ammazing how things can seem like such a good idea at the time but can look so wrong in retrospect?
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Post by: scotland on September 21, 2011, 06:14:17 AM
how about this record hi-seller?
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Post by: outspoken on September 21, 2011, 07:40:23 AM
how about this record hi-seller?

is his name right directly under the picture?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on September 21, 2011, 08:22:51 AM
http://books.google.com/books?id=Bx6aq3tOhE0C&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=bapton+cairnbrogie&source=bl&ots=a3Jj8xYXXF&sig=1vg0usQeOatrUXNUgQzx-N9AQbo&hl=en#v=onepage&q=bapton%20cairnbrogie&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=Bx6aq3tOhE0C&pg=PA30&lpg=PA30&dq=bapton+cairnbrogie&source=bl&ots=a3Jj8xYXXF&sig=1vg0usQeOatrUXNUgQzx-N9AQbo&hl=en#v=onepage&q=bapton%20cairnbrogie&f=false)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on September 21, 2011, 09:20:31 AM
My first thought when I saw this picture was Bapton Cairnbrogie that was used at Rothney, and then I read the next post and I looked back at the picture and saw the printing on the bottom. He was considered to be a big sire in his day!!! |Now I wonder how he got any cows bred.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Okotoks on September 21, 2011, 10:07:43 AM
My first thought when I saw this picture was Bapton Cairnbrogie that was used at Rothney, and then I read the next post and I looked back at the picture and saw the printing on the bottom. He was considered to be a big sire in his day!!! |Now I wonder how he got any cows bred.
I believe Bapton Cairnbrogie was Bapton Constructor's younger full brother.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Okotoks on September 21, 2011, 10:34:53 AM
Going way back, almost have to hope it was a poor artist!

This is not the most often used picture. He sold for 1000 guineas in 1810 which I think was about 1050. pounds.

Computing 'Real Value' Over Time With a Conversion Between U.K. Pounds and U.S. Dollars, 1830 to Present
 
 http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/exchange/result_exchange.php (http://www.measuringworth.com/calculators/exchange/result_exchange.php)

 Here is a conversion factor from 1830 so this bull sold for about the equivalnet of $121,000 today.
2nd clue he is very linebred!

Computing 'Real Value' Over Time With a Conversion Between U.K. Pounds and U.S. Dollars, 1830 to Present
 
Current data is only available till 2010.

When using the CPI/RPI, the (average) value in 2010 of £1050 from 1830 is $121000.00. The range of values is from $78800.00 to $161000.00. This answer is better if the subject is a consumer good or something else of interest to an individual.

When using the GDP deflator, the (average) value in 2010 of £1050 from 1830 is $111000.00. The range of values is from $80200.00 to $199000.00. This answer is better if the subject is a capital investment or government expenditure.

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on September 21, 2011, 11:17:49 AM
I'm going to guess that this bull is Comet... the famous bull from the 1800s. I was thinking that Comet was on  the scene later in the 1800s but he did look like this .   

In  regards to  computing real worth between todays prices and those in the past, if you go back and look at some sales held in the 1940s and 50s and convert them to 2011 values, they make the bigger sales today look pretty ordinary.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Okotoks on September 21, 2011, 11:47:47 AM
I'm going to guess that this bull is Comet... the famous bull from the 1800s. I was thinking that Comet was on  the scene later in the 1800s but he did look like this .  

In  regards to  computing real worth between todays prices and those in the past, if you go back and look at some sales held in the 1940s and 50s and convert them to 2011 values, they make the bigger sales today look pretty ordinary.


It is Comet. Here is an interesting link to his pedigree(page 336) and on page 338 Wrights calculations of his inbreeding

http://www.jstor.org/stable/2456273?seq=7 (http://www.jstor.org/stable/2456273?seq=7)

Sandy Cross bought Calrossie Highland Piper for $30,000 in 1952, according to the inflation calculator that is $243654.26 in 2010!!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: justintime on September 21, 2011, 03:41:15 PM
I'm going to guess that this bull is Comet... the famous bull from the 1800s. I was thinking that Comet was on  the scene later in the 1800s but he did look like this .  

In  regards to  computing real worth between todays prices and those in the past, if you go back and look at some sales held in the 1940s and 50s and convert them to 2011 values, they make the bigger sales today look pretty ordinary.


It is Comet. Here is an interesting link to his pedigree(page 336) and on page 338 Wrights calculations of his inbreeding

[url]http://www.jstor.org/stable/2456273?seq=7[/url] ([url]http://www.jstor.org/stable/2456273?seq=7[/url])

Sandy Cross bought Calrossie Highland Piper for $30,000 in 1952, according to the inflation calculator that is $243654.26 in 2010!!



Interesting stuff...... This made me think back to a few purchases in my own lifetime, and wonder about what the prices would be in 2011 dollars. In 1983, we purchased IDS Duke of Dublin for $25,000 US and we felt we had got a bargain at that. In  2011, this price would be equivalent to paying $55321.10. Even at this price he was still a bargain as we sold 3400 straws of semen in the two years after he arrived here from Ireland at $35/straw. In 1983 we took Duke to Denver and displayed him by himself. In 1984, we took Duke back to Denver along with 12 of his calves and displayed them right in front of the Exchange Building in the yards. We got semen orders for over 1000 straws of semen while at Denver and sold 10 opf the 12 calves for an average price of $3580 (Which is $7171.89 in 2011 dollars). Harry Krug from Kansas told me he would trade me his farm and my choice of any three women for Duke. I kept the bull!
When I look at some of these prices and the comparisons, it makes many of today's prices seem pretty ordinary.

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: vcsf on February 01, 2012, 12:33:25 AM
I always enjoyed this thread so thought I would bring it back up.

Here is a bull to take a guess at.  Don't know that anyone will get it just from this picture so I will give the hint that it is a Simmental that has been talked about on here fairly recently.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: aj on February 01, 2012, 08:39:39 AM
Is the bull 600u? I met the breeder of comet one year out at Denver. He loved to sit in the stands and watch the Shorthorn show. We later went out and drank wine spritzers. This was pre-clovis.....he was a deliteful gentleman. Ahhhhhhh fond memerories.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: CJB on February 01, 2012, 12:02:18 PM
I always enjoyed this thread so thought I would bring it back up.

Here is a bull to take a guess at.  Don't know that anyone will get it just from this picture so I will give the hint that it is a Simmental that has been talked about on here fairly recently.

Sure looks like Fortune 500 to me...
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: vcsf on February 01, 2012, 01:31:13 PM
I always enjoyed this thread so thought I would bring it back up.

Here is a bull to take a guess at.  Don't know that anyone will get it just from this picture so I will give the hint that it is a Simmental that has been talked about on here fairly recently.

Sure looks like Fortune 500 to me...

Yes that is Fortune 500.  I wonder if you would have got it without a hint.

Here is another one to have a go at.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: GM on May 27, 2012, 09:47:03 AM
Here's a rarely seen picture of a very influential Shorthorn bull.  It might be easy to guess, but I think I've only seen one other picture of him.  Name the bull!
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: fullblood on May 27, 2012, 09:05:58 PM
????
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on May 27, 2012, 10:20:42 PM
He better not be ayatollah, the headgear looks too old. Really low brisket obscures how pinched he is as does his good top line  where's his tuckus. Ugh.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: GM on May 28, 2012, 09:33:15 AM
He's not Ayatollah (when you think of Ayatollah think giant, solid red, Illawara/Shorthorn/? cross.) 

Here's a clue...believe it or not, he is a common ancestor of the following widely talked about Steer Planet Shorthorn bulls: Trump, Double Stuff, Proud Jazz, Timeline, Sonny, Gizmo, Wild Side, Saskvalley Bonanza, Diamond Prophecy 21P, Captain Obvious, 034, 329, TG /RRA Complete 421U, even Sodhouse Lancer if you go back far enough...the list could go on....and he's   even in Heatwave's pedigree lol!!!!  He's not believed to be a TH carrier.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Okotoks on May 28, 2012, 09:50:36 AM
Deerpark Leader ( sire of Dividend)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: GM on May 28, 2012, 10:02:27 AM
Deerpark Leader ( sire of Dividend)
You got it!  I'm curious if you or anyone had seen this picture of him before.  I hadn't until I purchased a book last week titled Shorthorns in the 20th Century UK and Ireland.  There's a chapter on Irish shorthorns that's really interesting.  It includes this picture of Deerpark Leader and a picture of Highfield Improver.  It's an interesting read for all the Shorthorn enthusiasts on the forum.  Leader is in the pedigree of just about every animal that has a Deerpark or Highfield prefix.  I think its harder to find a popular Shorthorn bull that doesn't have Deerpark Leader somewhere in their background.  He was born in 1967 and has had progeny registered as recently as the year 2000.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Okotoks on May 28, 2012, 10:48:25 AM
Deerpark Leader ( sire of Dividend)
You got it!  I'm curious if you or anyone had seen this picture of him before.  I hadn't until I purchased a book last week titled Shorthorns in the 20th Century UK and Ireland.  There's a chapter on Irish shorthorns that's really interesting.  It includes this picture of Deerpark Leader and a picture of Highfield Improver.  It's an interesting read for all the Shorthorn enthusiasts on the forum.  Leader is in the pedigree of just about every animal that has a Deerpark or Highfield prefix.  I think its harder to find a popular Shorthorn bull that doesn't have Deerpark Leader somewhere in their background.  He was born in 1967 and has had progeny registered as recently as the year 2000.
I have never seen that photo before. I can't find the one they used to use for him but I think it was a better photo if I remember it correctly.You are right about Deerpark Leader being in almost every pedigree even if it's may generations back. Where did you purchase the book?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: GM on May 28, 2012, 11:15:19 AM
Deerpark Leader ( sire of Dividend)
You got it!  I'm curious if you or anyone had seen this picture of him before.  I hadn't until I purchased a book last week titled Shorthorns in the 20th Century UK and Ireland.  There's a chapter on Irish shorthorns that's really interesting.  It includes this picture of Deerpark Leader and a picture of Highfield Improver.  It's an interesting read for all the Shorthorn enthusiasts on the forum.  Leader is in the pedigree of just about every animal that has a Deerpark or Highfield prefix.  I think its harder to find a popular Shorthorn bull that doesn't have Deerpark Leader somewhere in their background.  He was born in 1967 and has had progeny registered as recently as the year 2000.
I have never seen that photo before. I can't find the one they used to use for him but I think it was a better photo if I remember it correctly.You are right about Deerpark Leader being in almost every pedigree even if it's may generations back. Where did you purchase the book?

I purchased it online.  Google the title and you'll find a bunch of sites selling it.  I think I paid $30.

The only picture of him I had seen before this was in a Lazy D ad in an old Shorthorn Country...I think it was a color pic of him on pasture - not sure though.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on May 28, 2012, 11:59:43 AM
http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/index.php?topic=35313.0 (http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/index.php?topic=35313.0)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 15, 2012, 01:15:59 PM
bump for something fit to read.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 15, 2012, 08:32:39 PM
He's not Ayatollah (when you think of Ayatollah think giant, solid red, Illawara/Shorthorn/? cross.) 

Here's a clue...believe it or not, he is a common ancestor of the following widely talked about Steer Planet Shorthorn bulls: Trump, Double Stuff, Proud Jazz, Timeline, Sonny, Gizmo, Wild Side, Saskvalley Bonanza, Diamond Prophecy 21P, Captain Obvious, 034, 329, TG /RRA Complete 421U, even Sodhouse Lancer if you go back far enough...the list could go on....and he's   even in Heatwave's pedigree lol!!!!  He's not believed to be a TH carrier.


I just yelled out loud. " are you kidding me!" my ol lady jumped off the couch like the house was on fire. Wow. I just learned a lesson. And I really don't like that bull. No ass , weird head. Bad picture of course but holy moly.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on July 15, 2012, 08:58:08 PM
Did dividends mother produce anything else?

Dividend looks like a successful fire ice mating and why people keep trying.

Maybe that's why I like Fullbloods.

If shorthorns can improve that fast so can Fullbloods
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Doc on July 15, 2012, 09:09:51 PM
Did dividends mother produce anything else?

Dividend looks like a successful fire ice mating and why people keep trying.

Maybe that's why I like Fullbloods.

If shorthorns can improve that fast so can Fullbloods

She had a dtr that produced Deerpark Improver 2nd "Guiness".
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on July 15, 2012, 10:04:52 PM
Wasthe registration problem solved when Guinness came around?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: hamburgman on July 15, 2012, 10:48:33 PM
While it doesn't always hold true, it seems more times than not that a red/white or roan with Deerpark close in the pedigree has red on the caudal area of the hind legs and white with a few dots of red on the cranial hind leg.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 16, 2012, 07:28:54 AM
Here's three bulls for the masses.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: BadgerFan on July 16, 2012, 10:08:33 AM
Boxcar Willy, Cub, Draft Pick
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 16, 2012, 10:14:50 AM
three more.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: BadgerFan on July 16, 2012, 01:19:08 PM
Nichols Destiny, Epinal and I think Whitestone Widespread.  If not Widespread, it's another EXT bred bull.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 16, 2012, 01:21:59 PM
Nichols Destiny, Epinal and I think Whitestone Widespread.  If not Widespread, it's another EXT bred bull.


1-no
2-close, a son
3-no but kinda close.

PS.  All three bulls can be found in an ABS catalog
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: BadgerFan on July 16, 2012, 02:38:23 PM
hmmm.  Black Irish Kansas, Not sure, Woodhill Triple Threat

finally cheated on BIK, had to pull out an old ABS catalog.  Rest from memory.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 16, 2012, 02:42:52 PM
hmmm.  Black Irish Kansas, Not sure, Woodhill Triple Threat

finally cheated on BIK, had to pull out an old ABS catalog.  Rest from memory.

FCC Epinol- I didn't expect anyone would get it- but with all the other fullblood pics on here-- I thought it was worth a shot..

Keep guessing on the Angus bull=-- think older- think all the bulls you mentioned in common.

Here's some more.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on July 16, 2012, 03:04:33 PM
Epinal, not epinol.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 02:41:27 PM
here's one to stump you, no trying to find the picture. also what state is he from. and who owns him. that will be easy when you name him.
don't get me wrong i'm not into the breed. my mom was at one point BEFORE we started showing cattle.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on July 17, 2012, 02:50:48 PM
wyoming flattulence?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 03:11:12 PM
for the pied? no
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 17, 2012, 03:26:16 PM
here's one to stump you, no trying to find the picture. also what state is he from. and who owns him. that will be easy when you name him.
don't get me wrong i'm not into the breed. my mom was at one point BEFORE we started showing cattle.


bull's name is double stuff... but I could not find a farm name on the website...  Brian somebody is all I remember???

Looks like him anyways.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 03:44:55 PM
nope he was at world beef expo a couple of times. his show carreer was ended when he got into a fight with another bull and got injured badly, due to that injury he ended up having to have one testicle removed. he remained on the farm for awhile longer. i'm not sure when he died. but he was born in 2000. the bull that beat him up was sold at world beef expo in 2007 i think, not 100% sure on what year. that bull went to a family in michigan. this picture was taken at the farm by my mom.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 17, 2012, 03:54:12 PM
nope he was at world beef expo a couple of times. his show carreer was ended when he got into a fight with another bull and got injured badly, due to that injury he ended up having to have one testicle removed. he remained on the farm for awhile longer. i'm not sure when he died. but he was born in 2000. the bull that beat him up was sold at world beef expo in 2007 i think, not 100% sure on what year. that bull went to a family in michigan. this picture was taken at the farm by my mom.

monster- chapman farms
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 04:21:55 PM
nope bulls sire is Captain Kurt.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 04:23:20 PM
also he is registered with PAUS not the NAPA
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 17, 2012, 04:36:26 PM
hmmm.  Black Irish Kansas, Not sure, Woodhill Triple Threat

finally cheated on BIK, had to pull out an old ABS catalog.  Rest from memory.

FCC Epinol- I didn't expect anyone would get it- but with all the other fullblood pics on here-- I thought it was worth a shot..

Keep guessing on the Angus bull=-- think older- think all the bulls you mentioned in common.

Here's some more

.


Bottom bull looks like 6807 but I dont think it is. Maybe a son?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 05:22:27 PM
hmmm.  Black Irish Kansas, Not sure, Woodhill Triple Threat

finally cheated on BIK, had to pull out an old ABS catalog.  Rest from memory.

FCC Epinol- I didn't expect anyone would get it- but with all the other fullblood pics on here-- I thought it was worth a shot..

Keep guessing on the Angus bull=-- think older- think all the bulls you mentioned in common.

Here's some more

.


Bottom bull looks like 6807 but I dont think it is. Maybe a son?

not traveler 6807 traced both of the previous guesses to ankonian dynamo now im trying to go back down the lineage of him am i on the right track?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 17, 2012, 05:41:55 PM
try EXT himself.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 05:56:19 PM
im coming up blanck. i think we need farmboys mad google skills. everything i've found thats got ext is branded or not even close body type.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: kiblercattle on July 17, 2012, 07:26:08 PM
I can't figure him out either he's packing the same brand as 6807 but I can't put a name to him
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 17, 2012, 08:37:05 PM
It's EXT- straight from the ABS catalog 96 version I think.. could be 98 version...

I'll post the entire page tomorrow. 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 09:18:10 PM
ok lol. any more takes on my pied?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 17, 2012, 09:24:54 PM
I thought EXT had a n bar brand on his side. That brand looks like Dale Davis's brand when he used the DHD prefix.  I've seen EXT a lot in books. Never saw that pic before. I still say its not EXT. could be they screwed up?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 17, 2012, 09:27:31 PM
Google ext. he for sure has a big brand on his midsection and no brand on his back hip. 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 09:43:20 PM
Google ext. he for sure has a big brand on his midsection and no brand on his back hip. 

every pic i've found googleing him and anytime i've seen him hes got the n bar brand on his mid section. same as other n bar bulls
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 17, 2012, 09:48:41 PM
Yep! Think we may have got ya on this one outspoken! :)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zack on July 17, 2012, 09:55:06 PM
Name this one.



Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 17, 2012, 09:58:35 PM
I'll be it was a apex windy 078 son. Bout all I got.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zack on July 17, 2012, 10:03:18 PM
Your right about about apex.

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 17, 2012, 10:07:10 PM
Well I cheated a little. It says lot 22 2011 apex sale under your photo lol. I just remembered the bull in accelerated genetics and they said his sons dominated the 2011 sale. I really went out on a limb there didn't I ?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Zack on July 17, 2012, 10:08:40 PM
Well I cheated a little. It says lot 22 2011 apex sale under your photo lol. I just remembered the bull in accelerated genetics and they said his sons dominated the 2011 sale. I really went out on a limb there didn't I ?
Ya but NAME him.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 17, 2012, 10:19:24 PM
Apex In Front 350
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 10:40:09 PM
he is apex s84s. his tattoo is s84x i dont know what the buyers call him. but thats what it was in the sale. again gotta change the captions.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 10:43:29 PM
he is apex s84s. his tattoo is s84x i dont know what the buyers call him. but thats what it was in the sale. again gotta change the captions.

sorry s84x
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 17, 2012, 10:45:24 PM
do ya'll give up on my pied bull. ill give ye another hint he's from wisconsin, guess it gives part of my original post questions. the bull that he got into the fight with was known as Chance.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 18, 2012, 08:08:32 AM
here
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 18, 2012, 08:09:52 AM
4 more bulls.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: kiblercattle on July 18, 2012, 08:23:56 AM
Rito 707, emulation n bar 5522?, stockman 365
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 18, 2012, 08:37:38 AM
Rito 707, emulation n bar 5522?, stockman 365

not sure-- these are TGCC's pics I posted for him.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: kiblercattle on July 18, 2012, 10:19:18 AM
I was wrong on 5522 it's emulation 31 and the other is Rito n bar
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 18, 2012, 10:20:51 AM
the pied was shears sires mr. handsome. i'm pretty sure he won the pied show sometime before 2005, if not the whole bull show at beef expo.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 18, 2012, 10:34:32 AM
4 more bulls.

rito n bar
rito 707
emulation 31
stockman 365
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 18, 2012, 10:36:09 AM
pretty sure those are hte right 4 bulles.. don't know if the order is right-- but I'll take it.

here's a couple more?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: kiblercattle on July 18, 2012, 11:06:47 AM
Second bull is Lucy's boy
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 18, 2012, 11:12:43 AM
Second bull is Lucy's boy
(thumbsup)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: E6 Durhams on July 18, 2012, 12:02:31 PM
4 more bulls.

rito n bar
rito 707
emulation 31
stockman 365


You guys are good
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 18, 2012, 12:25:36 PM
can we get a hint on your top bull jody
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 18, 2012, 12:40:43 PM
can we get a hint on your top bull jody

ya.. duh.. i forgot about that..

Sim bull-- was talked about on here recently.. maybe spring time?  I remember leanbeef posting pictures and discussing him in great depth. 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 18, 2012, 02:04:28 PM
top grade ???
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 18, 2012, 02:22:34 PM
top grade ???

guess again, has numbers in the name.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 18, 2012, 09:12:24 PM
i give up i went through almost every one of leanbeefs posts
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 18, 2012, 10:03:58 PM
i give up i went through almost every one of leanbeefs posts

be like a gypsy at a nascar race...

easy as taking cake from a toddler.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: RR#2 Cattle Co on July 19, 2012, 09:48:35 AM
While you guys try to figure out the simmy bull's name here is another bull to ponder.  He is an Angus bull from long ago for the old timers like myself.

Grandson of the Rito 707 bull
Bred by Grant and owned by Jorgensen and Knop
Born in 1973.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: kiblercattle on July 19, 2012, 12:23:08 PM
Rito 707 of ideal 533 70? Just a guess
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: RR#2 Cattle Co on July 19, 2012, 01:59:02 PM
Rito 707 of ideal 533 70? Just a guess

Close, 707 is in his name.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 20, 2012, 11:51:16 AM
angus is jetliner 707 of conanga
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: mick rems on July 20, 2012, 05:37:28 PM
jody is the sim bull x339u.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: outspoken on July 20, 2012, 06:35:02 PM
jody is the sim bull x339u.

higher number...  think nascar...  and money... 
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: RR#2 Cattle Co on July 20, 2012, 07:01:25 PM
angus is jetliner 707 of conanga
Correct.  A good bull, even by today's standards.
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Post by: mick rems on July 20, 2012, 10:32:19 PM
 FORTUNE 500 !!!!!
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Post by: outspoken on July 20, 2012, 10:39:29 PM
 (clapping)
FORTUNE 500 !!!!!
(clapping) (thumbsup)

more later.. don't have my bull books here right onw.
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Post by: SeannyT on July 21, 2012, 11:17:27 AM
Going back to that Rito N Bar bull... anyone have the story on him? That picture really stood out for me- incredible muscling.
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Post by: knabe on July 21, 2012, 12:03:15 PM
Go to Sinclair angus for more info
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Post by: Zack on July 21, 2012, 05:31:06 PM
Name this one.




Want a hint?
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Post by: E6 Durhams on July 21, 2012, 05:58:36 PM
Rito N Bar was ABS's first home run. He was a foundation sire for Dale Davis's Rolling Rock herd. He was the first performance oriented sire and I think he was a (CMS) certified meat sire. Born 1960. He was known for added muscle, growth and leanness. He sired the 707 bull in those pics as well. I will have some more soon
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Post by: mick rems on July 22, 2012, 03:34:37 AM
Name this one.




Want a hint?
check pg 65
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Post by: kiblercattle on July 22, 2012, 07:48:18 PM
here are two angus bulls that were used by the same outfit
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Post by: E6 Durhams on July 22, 2012, 09:48:39 PM
Any more hints? My buddy and I are struggling with these two.
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Post by: kiblercattle on July 23, 2012, 03:06:50 PM
Montana ranch
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Post by: E6 Durhams on July 23, 2012, 03:34:40 PM
Sitz Bull Durham the top one ?
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Post by: kiblercattle on July 23, 2012, 05:34:13 PM
No  both are Pre 1985
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Post by: kiblercattle on July 23, 2012, 09:46:54 PM
I lied the top one is born in 1987
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Post by: mick rems on July 24, 2012, 11:16:42 AM
are both bulls from Gartner - Denowh Angus Ranch
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Post by: mick rems on July 24, 2012, 11:32:17 AM
top bull is GDAR OSCAR 711 bottom is Bardolier 51 of GDAR
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Post by: E6 Durhams on July 24, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
Good job! Those had me stumped.
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Post by: mick rems on July 24, 2012, 12:12:06 PM
Good job! Those had me stumped.
i searched bulls from that birthyr then went on the gdar site haha and under history they had pics of em all
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Post by: kiblercattle on July 24, 2012, 12:58:55 PM
That's good thats where I got them from.
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Post by: E6 Durhams on July 24, 2012, 12:59:56 PM
The bottom bull threw me off. I thought for sure that was a Sitz bull.
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Post by: mick rems on July 24, 2012, 01:11:09 PM
anyone got anymore to throw in here?
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Post by: Zack on July 26, 2012, 02:09:25 PM
The answer is BAD TO THE BONE.
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Post by: DL on July 26, 2012, 03:00:16 PM
OK Boys here's one for ya!
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Post by: E6 Durhams on July 26, 2012, 03:33:44 PM
Eileenmere 85
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Post by: E6 Durhams on July 26, 2012, 03:35:10 PM
I take it back. Eileenmere 500
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Post by: DL on July 26, 2012, 03:40:50 PM
I take it back. Eileenmere 500

That would be correct - :) born May Day 1942
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Post by: DL on July 26, 2012, 03:46:25 PM
Here is 85
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Post by: DL on July 26, 2012, 03:54:38 PM
Here's another one - not black - knabe you can't play :)
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Post by: aj on July 26, 2012, 07:57:16 PM
Dabla or something like that?
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Post by: justintime on July 26, 2012, 09:49:58 PM
My first thought was Coca Cola but after looking again, I don't think that is correct. The picture is very familiar but it has been so many years since I played in the Maine game.
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Post by: E6 Durhams on July 26, 2012, 10:20:02 PM
No clue who that bull is but I think it's sad that only a few breeders keep these colors and lines going. I wonder where the breed would be if it didn't turn black. I like this bull
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Post by: cccf on July 26, 2012, 10:20:27 PM
capone....  the REAL sire of G9. 
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Post by: knabe on July 26, 2012, 10:27:13 PM
No clue who that bull is but I think it's sad that only a few breeders keep these colors and lines going. I wonder where the breed would be if it didn't turn black. I like this bull

the problem was they turned black too fast.

there is ample opportunity to do it again better.

maybe this time address birth weight, reintroduce milk, growth and soundness, free of PHA, monkey mouth, spastic paresis.  that's by no means a complete list.
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Post by: DL on July 26, 2012, 10:46:49 PM
capone....  the REAL sire of G9. 

that is correct cccf - we call him Big AL!

Here's a famous mystery cow for ya
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Post by: DL on July 28, 2012, 02:11:11 PM
capone....  the REAL sire of G9. 

that is correct cccf - we call him Big AL!

Here's a famous mystery cow for ya


OK - here's a hint - first Maine Anjou cow flushed in North America...
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Post by: fullblood on July 28, 2012, 02:38:24 PM
i think she from marsden Sask. but can't remember her name. was she one of the first fullblood to be flushed?
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Post by: DL on July 28, 2012, 03:46:13 PM
i think she from marsden Sask. but can't remember her name. was she one of the first fullblood to be flushed?

Neilburg, SK...yup, the 1st Maine-Anjou female to be flushed I believe - do you know who she was flushed to?
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Post by: Telos on July 28, 2012, 04:55:31 PM
Cette-La. 
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Post by: DL on July 28, 2012, 05:25:24 PM
Cette-La. 

You got her Jack - as the story goes she had 20 some grade 1 eggs but only 10 recips ready (before eggs were frozen) - 8 pregnancies resulted from the 10 recips including PTR Epinal 80E, PTR Epinal 81E, PTR Epinal 82E, PTR Epic 83E, Sundowner Epinal 84E (aka PTR Epinal 84E), and Calling View Teton Apparently there was one heifer calf PTR Miss Epinal 85E.

Clearly the cow was flushed to Epinal :)

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Post by: knabe on July 28, 2012, 05:29:15 PM
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2435&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A25202720&8=56&10=2C293938365D3D37&11=20 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2435&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A25202720&8=56&10=2C293938365D3D37&11=20)

three females.  the other two dead-ended rather quickly after 2-3 generations.

calling view teton is claimed as being the best.  sadly his semen was dumped over a dispute after only limited use.

will post a pic of him.



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Post by: DL on July 28, 2012, 05:43:38 PM
[url]http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2435&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A25202720&8=56&10=2C293938365D3D37&11=20[/url] ([url]http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2435&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A25202720&8=56&10=2C293938365D3D37&11=20[/url])

three females.  the other two dead-ended rather quickly after 2-3 generations.



Only one female was the result of the flush - the other 2 were born in 1975 and 1979 - flush mates were born in 1973
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Post by: Telos on July 29, 2012, 09:33:02 AM
There are numerous pedigrees which go back Epinal x Cette-La. You will find this mating in many great Maine pedigrees and often times linebred. I think she was a very special cow to have been flushed.
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Post by: justintime on July 29, 2012, 09:44:56 AM
There are numerous pedigrees with Epinal x Cette-La. I think she was a very special cow to have flushed.

I was at Biench's ranch at Neilburg, shortly after the 8 ET calves were born. Cetta-La was also there and she looked amazing. It will be 40 years, next spring, since I  was there, but I remember that visit as if it was a few weeks ago. I find it interesting how memories of great visits and great events will stay with you for a very long time. I could have purchased my pick of these ET calves that day for $20,000, or purchased a half interest in Cetta- La for $20,000. Mr. Biench was a quite a salesman and he did his best to sell me something. He would have made a fortune if he had been a salesman as he loved to close a deal. He was a very religious man and he insisted that I stay for supper and go to church with him and his wife.  I reluctantly went with them, but I remember Cetta- La and her ET calves the most of the visit!!
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Post by: knabe on July 29, 2012, 06:31:25 PM

[/quote]

Only one female was the result of the flush - the other 2 were born in 1975 and 1979 - flush mates were born in 1973
[/quote]

my bad, didn't read close enough.  just wanted to point out that two other calves were born and nothing came of them.  obviously lots came from the bull calves.

there is a pic of calling view teton in the fullblood pic thread
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Post by: kiblercattle on July 29, 2012, 06:43:16 PM
here are four. 3 angus and 1 red angus. guess away
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Post by: RR#2 Cattle Co on July 30, 2012, 09:41:13 PM
1.  R R Traveler 5204
2.
3.
4. Pine Drive Big Sky
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Post by: kiblercattle on July 31, 2012, 10:42:42 AM
Correct on two
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Post by: RR#2 Cattle Co on July 31, 2012, 11:18:54 AM
1.  R R Traveler 5204
2.
3.C H Stacker 7040
4. Pine Drive Big Sky
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Post by: kiblercattle on July 31, 2012, 11:47:54 AM
Wow I wasn't sure anybody would get that unless they saw the ch brand
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Post by: RR#2 Cattle Co on July 31, 2012, 02:37:13 PM
Wow I wasn't sure anybody would get that unless they saw the ch brand

I was digging around trying to find out why Krugerrand of Donamere 490 is no longer listed in the Angus database when I stumbled upon his sire. I have seen all the bulls in the past, but Stacker was a tough one.  Funny that Stacker (Donamere's sire) and Krugerrand Moneyline and Merger (Donamere sons) are all listed but not Donamere 490.
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Post by: kiblercattle on July 31, 2012, 03:33:18 PM
In regards to 490 supposedly a DNA test proved that he's does not match his pedigree.
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Post by: Okotoks on August 10, 2012, 12:23:30 PM
Here's a bull that was famous in his time as were a lot of his close relations.
Wouldn't mind using him today!
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Post by: GM on August 10, 2012, 03:44:33 PM
Here's a bull that was famous in his time as were a lot of his close relations.
Wouldn't mind using him today!

I believe this is Avondale or his son Lord Avondale.  I don't know much about these bulls so I'd be interested in the history lesson.
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Post by: knabe on August 10, 2012, 04:52:58 PM
http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1277&bih=874&tbm=isch&tbnid=AeWGecI-V80TbM:&imgrefurl=http://www.puregrassbeef.com/old_shorthorn_photos&docid=aUzkGrjE35brBM&imgurl=http://www.puregrassbeef.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/avondale.16172915_std.jpg&w=513&h=292&ei=W4IlUNSZOMnAigLpgIGYCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=511&sig=110997426142151788076&page=1&tbnh=102&tbnw=179&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:75&tx=99&ty=59 (http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=1277&bih=874&tbm=isch&tbnid=AeWGecI-V80TbM:&imgrefurl=http://www.puregrassbeef.com/old_shorthorn_photos&docid=aUzkGrjE35brBM&imgurl=http://www.puregrassbeef.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/avondale.16172915_std.jpg&w=513&h=292&ei=W4IlUNSZOMnAigLpgIGYCg&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=511&sig=110997426142151788076&page=1&tbnh=102&tbnw=179&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:75&tx=99&ty=59)

lots of other pics as well

click on the pics themselves and they go to the source of the pic for a ton of pics
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Post by: Okotoks on August 10, 2012, 05:12:46 PM
Yes GM it is Avondale, a son of Whitehall Sultan. He was born in 1905 and I took the photo from a 1910 sale catalogue of Maxwalton Farms, Carpenter & Ross.
Good link Knabe (thumbsup)
Here is the cover of the Sale catalogue with Avondale and what other Maxwalton herdsire?Also Avondale's reference page from the catalogue.
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Post by: Okotoks on August 11, 2012, 09:46:06 AM
Somebody who was there must remember who the white bull is!  ;D
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Post by: GM on August 11, 2012, 10:58:12 AM
Fair Acres Sultan, Renown, [Fill in the Blank] Sultan???  Impressive how big they were back then.
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Post by: Okotoks on August 11, 2012, 11:13:34 AM
Fair Acres Sultan, Renown, [Fill in the Blank] Sultan???  Impressive how big they were back then.
This bull was bought to use on the Avondale daughters and does not carry any Whitehall Sultan bloodlines. He was imported from England where he had won some shows. Besides their size I find their length, smoothness and fleshing impressive.
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Post by: knabe on August 11, 2012, 11:15:59 AM
Fair Acres Sultan, Renown, [Fill in the Blank] Sultan???  Impressive how big they were back then.

amazing what people knew back then.  they didn't have refrigerators so they had a milk cow or a dual purpose breed. some had beef cow and kept around the durham's.  cows are a storage device.  people harvested carcasses in the winter and hung them on the north porch to keep them cool.

my great grandfather purchased land that was sort of a wasteland that was a seasonal wash area. he put up tiny berms and collected his neighbors soil.  it is now wheat ground.  his neighbors told him he was stupid.  why would he want such terrible ground.  he came from denmark, so i'm not sure where he would have thought of this unless he saw some people doing it somewhere or just figured it out on his own or a combination.  he had lots of ideas.  
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Post by: GM on August 12, 2012, 08:55:31 AM
Fair Acres Sultan, Renown, [Fill in the Blank] Sultan???  Impressive how big they were back then.
This bull was bought to use on the Avondale daughters and does not carry any Whitehall Sultan bloodlines. He was imported from England where he had won some shows. Besides their size I find their length, smoothness and fleshing impressive.
Shenstone Albino
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Post by: Okotoks on August 12, 2012, 11:13:27 AM
Fair Acres Sultan, Renown, [Fill in the Blank] Sultan???  Impressive how big they were back then.
This bull was bought to use on the Avondale daughters and does not carry any Whitehall Sultan bloodlines. He was imported from England where he had won some shows. Besides their size I find their length, smoothness and fleshing impressive.
Shenstone Albino
Right again! As far as I know Shenstone Albino was more a show bull than a breeding bull. Did you find anything on any of his offspring?

I have added what appears to be the high selling female and apic of three other heifers in the sale. Some of the lots in my catalogue the had prices written in. $1300 in 1910 was probably pretty good!
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Post by: Okotoks on August 12, 2012, 11:36:29 AM
Two photos didn't show up so will try again with high selling heifer.
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Post by: knabe on August 12, 2012, 12:23:25 PM
there's absolutely no flex whatsoever in that albino bull's pasterns, especially the rear one's.

maybe it's just because he's on straw.

too bad there aren't movies.

went to a small show this weekend, and about 70% or greater of all the head had problems with their rear pasterns.

maybe some of it is because they are walking on shavings, but when i watched them walk on hard ground, the problem didn't go away.  depressing.  maybe it's because they are cooped up.

one guy i talked to that had a nice shorthorn heifer had nice flex.  i asked him about his heifer and he said she had just come out of the pasture a couple of weeks ago after being with a bull.

not quite sure why he was breeding her now.  maybe so she can be bigger and after she has her calf he can put her into either fall or spring.
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Post by: CattleWiz on September 07, 2012, 01:14:40 AM
Fair Acres Sultan, Renown, [Fill in the Blank] Sultan???  Impressive how big they were back then.

amazing what people knew back then.  they didn't have refrigerators so they had a milk cow or a dual purpose breed. some had beef cow and kept around the durham's.  cows are a storage device.  people harvested carcasses in the winter and hung them on the north porch to keep them cool.

my great grandfather purchased land that was sort of a wasteland that was a seasonal wash area. he put up tiny berms and collected his neighbors soil.  it is now wheat ground.  his neighbors told him he was stupid.  why would he want such terrible ground.  he came from denmark, so i'm not sure where he would have thought of this unless he saw some people doing it somewhere or just figured it out on his own or a combination.  he had lots of ideas. 

I like the little story about your grandpa..It doesn't matter what other's around you are saying, as long as you believe in what your doing.
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Post by: Okotoks on December 25, 2012, 11:24:39 AM
I came across this photo of a shorthorn bull and wondered if anyone recognizes him.
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Post by: GM on December 25, 2012, 11:51:34 AM
Gonna need a hint on this one...nice pic! 
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Post by: knabe on December 25, 2012, 02:16:22 PM
here's a bull.  pretty much an outcross.  he's 75% shorthorn. he's a son of a prominent bull.

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Post by: fullblood on December 25, 2012, 04:39:36 PM
what year was his prominent sire born?( I thinking he is a fullblood)
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Post by: knabe on December 25, 2012, 05:00:43 PM
what year was his prominent sire born?( I thinking he is a fullblood)

Early 70's.
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Post by: fullblood on December 25, 2012, 05:08:20 PM
I'm going with border creek future son
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Post by: knabe on December 25, 2012, 05:16:54 PM
Bcf was prob one of the more moderate.

Not him.  Bcf was an Epinal son.  There will be a son of him hopefully coming.

He's an original import.
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Post by: Okotoks on December 25, 2012, 05:31:51 PM
Gonna need a hint on this one...nice pic! 
Born in Alberta in 1981.
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Post by: knabe on December 25, 2012, 05:32:09 PM
The bcf Son semen I have is not yet on ground.  There are embryos though.
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Post by: knabe on December 25, 2012, 05:37:14 PM
Is it a v8 bull?
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Post by: GM on December 25, 2012, 11:25:31 PM
Gonna need a hint on this one...nice pic! 
Born in Alberta in 1981.
This is tough...it was too soon for the ayatollahs (and he doesn't look it)... he doesnt look irish and appears to be smooth polled...he may be from the aussie lines, but he seems to have a similar look to the Four Point Major bull...I really dont have a clue but I'm going to guess Winalot Captain
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Post by: Okotoks on December 26, 2012, 12:10:44 AM
Gonna need a hint on this one...nice pic!  

Born in Alberta in 1981.

This is tough...it was too soon for the ayatollahs (and he doesn't look it)... he doesnt look irish and appears to be smooth polled...he may be from the aussie lines, but he seems to have a similar look to the Four Point Major bull...I really dont have a clue but I'm going to guess Winalot Captain


You got it, Winalot Captain 64N by Scotsmorr Big Red 14H. (64N is a grandson of Four Point Major)Here is a photo of one of his daughters (quality of photo is poor as taken from a publication) Captain was one of the herd sires at Gussie and Faye Adam's GAFA herd.

http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=453630&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21 (http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=453630&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21)
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Post by: justintime on December 26, 2012, 08:54:31 AM
Thanks for posting the picture of Winalot Captain. I don't remember ever seeing a picture of him before, but when I was scrolling down this thread and saw the picture you posted, I immedialtely thought it might be Scotsmorr Big Red. When I scrolled down and saw it was Captain, I was impressed by how much he looked like his sire.  If you can believe this, many breeders liked the Big Red bull at the time of the Scotsmorr dispersal but criticized him for being too small framed. His pedigree was pretty packed with some of the greatest sires in the early years of development of polled Shorthorns. 
As a side note it will be 35 years next fall since the dispersal of the Scotsmorr herd, and the genetics from this herd can still be found throughout the breed and around the world. Doug Morris, who owned Scotsmorr, passed away in July 2012. I was very pleased to have a great visit with Doug and Barb Morris, at the 2012 Saskvalley/ Bell M/ Muridale bull sale last spring. For many years, Doug along with myself and a  couple other Shorthorn breeders from  Saskatchewan travelled to some spring sales in the US in late March. It almost became an annual pilgrimage as we attended many sales and toured many herds. I will always remember Doug's reaction when he saw Deerpark Dividend for the first time. At the time, the Irish cattle had just been rejected for registration by the  ASA for the second time. Doug insisted that we try to buy Dividend even if he never was able to register any offspring from him. He felt he was the best bull he had ever seen. Dick Judy, Beef Genetics Research Inc, in Kansas owned Dividend at the time, and he priced him at $35,000 to us ( this was almost 40 years ago now). I remember that we spent several days on the trip home discussing whether we should buy him or not... and we came very close to buying him, but in the end decided we could bring a few more from Ireland for the same amount of money. Great memories!
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Post by: GM on December 26, 2012, 10:35:55 AM
Gonna need a hint on this one...nice pic!  

Born in Alberta in 1981.

This is tough...it was too soon for the ayatollahs (and he doesn't look it)... he doesnt look irish and appears to be smooth polled...he may be from the aussie lines, but he seems to have a similar look to the Four Point Major bull...I really dont have a clue but I'm going to guess Winalot Captain


You got it, Winalot Captain 64N by Scotsmorr Big Red 14H. (64N is a grandson of Four Point Major)Here is a photo of one of his daughters (quality of photo is poor as taken from a publication) Captain was one of the herd sires at Gussie and Faye Adam's GAFA herd.

[url]http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=453630&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21[/url] ([url]http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=&_regnumberprefix=M&_regnumber=453630&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21[/url])


Thanks for posting this pic!  I really like this type of Shorthorn.  I imagine he had to be easier calving and easier doing than the ayatollah's, Clark's, maine's, and chi's that were about to take over as the popular Shorthorn genetics....but he probably couldn't hold a candle to them in the race for performance during that era.  Thanks for the stroll down memory lane.  I appreciate any history lessons you and JIT can give. 

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Post by: coyote on December 26, 2012, 10:56:09 AM
GM how did you come up with the right answer?
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Post by: GM on December 26, 2012, 11:56:39 AM
GM how did you come up with the right answer?

I'm a shorthorn nerd.  It was more process of elimination.  I thought he was one of the old school Canadian bulls but when it wasn't who i originally thought i looked at Okotoks past herd sires on his website and saw he had a solid red bull named GAFA captain mcbest (he looked right and the name sounded like a good mix of Alberta shorthorn genetics) That bulls great grand sire on the dams side was Winalot Captain who was solid red and born in 1981...and I assumed he was born in Alberta .  <beer>
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 26, 2012, 01:07:52 PM
here's a bull.  pretty much an outcross.  he's 75% shorthorn. he's a son of a prominent bull. /// Any clearer pictures? He looks sorta like Uncle-but reminds me of descriptions of a bull ive never seen-General Jackson O0


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Post by: knabe on December 26, 2012, 01:53:38 PM
general jackson

http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=32716 (http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=32716)

he's mostly unrelated.

btw, i have semen on general jackson

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Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 26, 2012, 05:38:24 PM
general jackson

[url]http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=32716[/url] ([url]http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=32716[/url])

he's mostly unrelated.

btw, i have semen on general jackson////
    Mueller said I should use him on Shorthorns I had there-WHAT did General Jackson look like?-I heard he was red-and real clubby for those days O0
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Post by: knabe on December 26, 2012, 06:04:22 PM
Dont have a pic unfortunately.
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Post by: justintime on December 27, 2012, 08:50:20 AM
Here is a picture of a bull I found in my travels a few years ago.
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Post by: Duncraggan on December 27, 2012, 10:42:19 AM
Here is a picture of a bull I found in my travels a few years ago.

JIT, quite a long sausage of a bull isn't he?  Is he a Maine Anjou?
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Post by: Okotoks on December 27, 2012, 12:40:59 PM
Was this one of your bulls JIT ? I was wondering if it was Millvale Mike's Cujo 2794, I know he was long but not sure if he had the hip of this bull.
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Post by: justintime on December 27, 2012, 01:29:20 PM
No it isn't Millvale Mike's Cujo 2794. A hint would be he was purchased by an Ontario breeder privately out of the stall at Agribition as a calf. No I did not breed him.  I had teh Australian semen rights in him sold  but the owner did not want to be bothered with collecting semen. He is a purebred non asterisk Shorthorn bull.
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Post by: knabe on December 27, 2012, 02:04:08 PM
I had teh Australian semen rights in him sold  but the owner did not want to be bothered with collecting semen.

weird how people go through the motions of buying stuff but won't pull the trigger.  why buy the semen rights if you don't plan on collecting him?  the person you bought the rights from may not have had them quarantined/tested for export so it's kind of obvious one would have to do that.  perhaps work with the seller to defray costs as some export requirements are similar.
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 27, 2012, 04:48:11 PM
Dont have a pic unfortunately. //// Well-drop the other brick-whats the Maine-Shorthorn cross in the fuzzy picture? top-and bottom O0
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Post by: knabe on December 27, 2012, 05:36:11 PM
Dont have a pic unfortunately. //// Well-drop the other brick-whats the Maine-Shorthorn cross in the fuzzy picture? top-and bottom O0

remember, he's a son.  the sire was born 73, and he's a fullblood maine (75%shorthorn), as is the son (thus no galloway, "for the hair").

he's not mine, but i think he's very nice.  he should be able to be seen in person with lot's of hair shortly,

he's in irish whiskey.  i'll keep going back a bull at a time
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Post by: justintime on December 27, 2012, 05:50:05 PM
I had teh Australian semen rights in him sold  but the owner did not want to be bothered with collecting semen.

weird how people go through the motions of buying stuff but won't pull the trigger.  why buy the semen rights if you don't plan on collecting him?  the person you bought the rights from may not have had them quarantined/tested for export so it's kind of obvious one would have to do that.  perhaps work with the seller to defray costs as some export requirements are similar.

Knabe... it was the other way around. I got a price from the bull owner for the Aussie rights as I was looking for a dark red outcross bull for an Aussie breeder. In the end, the bull owner decided that it would be too much bother to collect semen from the bull so he decided not to sell the rights to Australia or anywhere else for that matter. The Aussie breeder was pretty interested in him, but I had to tell him the rights were no longer for sale.
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Post by: coyote on December 27, 2012, 06:02:44 PM
Would he be a Glenford bull?
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Post by: knabe on December 27, 2012, 06:21:15 PM
Would he be a Glenford bull?

If u mean the Maine, no. Did a quick search and couldn't see if he ever used him

Next in the pedigree is ice pick
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Post by: coyote on December 27, 2012, 06:26:08 PM
Sorry that was a guess for JIT bull.
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Post by: knabe on December 27, 2012, 06:44:27 PM
Sorry that was a guess for JIT bull.

Thought so but I think he already named him. sorry, he didn't name him.

Next is 4072 cow, then draft pick, then nor tex general, then ZTA connie, then zta high octane, then bar u j allen, then
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Post by: justintime on December 27, 2012, 08:01:49 PM
Sorry that was a guess for JIT bull.
No he is not a Glenford bull. Actually he was born in an Ontario herd, and was shown at Agribition, and was purchased out of the stall by another Ontario breeder, the fiirst day of the show.
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Post by: Okotoks on December 27, 2012, 08:20:41 PM
Sorry that was a guess for JIT bull.
No he is not a Glenford bull. Actually he was born in an Ontario herd, and was shown at Agribition, and was purchased out of the stall by another Ontario breeder, the fiirst day of the show.

Is it POPLAR LANE SHOCCWAVE 4N? Wild guess there because I don't know if he showed at Agribition. If not how about a time frame?
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Post by: knabe on December 27, 2012, 08:23:39 PM
Sorry that was a guess for JIT bull.

No he is not a Glenford bull. Actually he was born in an Ontario herd, and was shown at Agribition, and was purchased out of the stall by another Ontario breeder, the fiirst day of the show.


Is it POPLAR LANE SHOCCWAVE 4N? Wild guess there because I don't know if he showed at Agribition. If not how about a time frame?


http://www.canadianshorthorn.com/catalogs/2012_osa_catalog/2012_osa_catalog.pdf (http://www.canadianshorthorn.com/catalogs/2012_osa_catalog/2012_osa_catalog.pdf)

attached is a pic of a female.
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Post by: justintime on December 27, 2012, 08:43:21 PM
Yes it is Shoccwave. I liked him as a calf when he was shown at Agribition, but I was totally amazed when I saw him as a 3 year old. He was a mighty impressive bull. Great performance and calved very easily as well. George Brown, who owned Shoccwave was 80 at the time, and he said he had no calving problems with him.
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Post by: Okotoks on December 27, 2012, 08:55:51 PM
Yes it is Shoccwave. I liked him as a calf when he was shown at Agribition, but I was totally amazed when I saw him as a 3 year old. He was a mighty impressive bull. Great performance and calved very easily as well. George Brown, who owned Shoccwave was 80 at the time, and he said he had no calving problems with him.
He sure is a good looking bull, too bad they didn't collect him when they had a chance!
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Post by: knabe on December 28, 2012, 12:58:17 AM
in bar u j allen, but not the epinal route.
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Post by: knabe on December 28, 2012, 01:26:18 PM
here's the bull's sire.  born 1973.
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Post by: maine_man on December 28, 2012, 04:42:00 PM
Index!
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Post by: knabe on December 28, 2012, 05:14:35 PM
Index!

yes.  i was going to say synonym of list.  personally i like the foggy picture bull better.  he looks deeper, and thicker, smaller framed to me.
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Post by: doc-sun on December 28, 2012, 05:21:02 PM
here's a bull.  pretty much an outcross.  he's 75% shorthorn. he's a son of a prominent bull.


This fuzzy phone pic is our fall 2011 son of index. Come see him at Ft Worth. He is moderate and correct with a lot of bone and hair. MMA Slash 8Y.
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Post by: knabe on December 28, 2012, 05:27:09 PM
here's a bull.  pretty much an outcross.  he's 75% shorthorn. he's a son of a prominent bull.


MMA Slash 8Y.

with a name like that, there should be a mixed martial tie in with an ad.   MMA Slash 8Y, ready to rumble!!!!  michael buffer might sue you though as "let's get ready to rumble" is trademarked.
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Post by: GM on February 05, 2013, 07:29:19 PM
Anyone remember when they wouldn't have been able to name this bull?    ;)  <beer>

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Post by: Barry Farms on February 05, 2013, 09:40:25 PM
1. What breed is he
2. Who owns him
3. Name
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Post by: mccannfarms on February 05, 2013, 11:35:07 PM
Gelbvieh
Pop A Top 197T83
JUDD RANCH INC,POMONA,KS
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Post by: mccannfarms on February 05, 2013, 11:42:08 PM
1. Breed
2. Name
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Post by: Barry Farms on February 06, 2013, 09:42:14 PM
Gelbvieh
Pop A Top 197T83
JUDD RANCH INC,POMONA,KS
SKILL!
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Post by: mccannfarms on February 06, 2013, 10:23:51 PM
I just made an educated guess at breed and looked up semen suppliers (there weren't all that many red Gelbvieh to go through)
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Post by: mccannfarms on February 07, 2013, 01:03:05 AM
1. Breed
2. Name

Hint he is a 2x National Western Grand Champion
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Post by: vcsf on February 07, 2013, 02:44:43 AM
1. Breed
2. Name

Hint he is a 2x National Western Grand Champion

Angus
Ankony Dynamo
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Post by: mccannfarms on February 07, 2013, 11:11:28 AM
1. Breed
2. Name

Hint he is a 2x National Western Grand Champion

Angus
Ankony Dynamo


Correct
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Post by: Barry Farms on February 07, 2013, 08:51:04 PM
Name and breed
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Post by: justintime on February 07, 2013, 08:54:15 PM
Is it Karl the Red Bull?
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Post by: OhioKid on November 29, 2013, 06:40:48 PM
Barry Farms,
LORENZEN MAGNUM 6816
Red Angus
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Post by: cowman 52 on November 29, 2013, 08:28:34 PM
1. Breed
2. Name
[/quote

I'm not certIn but me think you need to rethink your bull.
1969 champion bull Chicago
Black lock Mchenry 13y
Great northern
  Bob toteshek, judge
 Llyod miller angus asan sec
Howard hillman in the picture.

Old age might have passed me by but-------
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Post by: Okotoks on March 19, 2015, 12:08:37 PM
Should be easy for some to name this bull (thumbsup)
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Post by: librarian on March 19, 2015, 01:07:47 PM
Is that ayatollah?

That Angus bull is mislabeled all over the place and I never believed it was Ankonian Dynamo. Good to know the true identiy.
I think this is Ankonian Dynamo. (First)
Harlan Richie's beef review shows this as Great Northern, (second)
champion in 1970 and under it is the picture from above in the post, labeled Ankonian Dynamo, champion 1972, but don't they look like the same animal?

Hmm..now that I put the side by side, they do not look like the same animal.
Cowman, you are saying the Mystery bull is Blacklock McHenry?
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Post by: librarian on March 19, 2015, 03:51:19 PM
Do you know this one?
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Post by: Okotoks on March 19, 2015, 06:11:20 PM
Is that ayatollah?


Yes it is Ayatollah at 54 months weighing 2760#'s
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Post by: librarian on March 20, 2015, 07:20:43 AM
How about this one? I don't know who it is.
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Post by: justintime on March 20, 2015, 07:45:06 AM
Is it Lone Pine Grand Society?
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Post by: justintime on March 20, 2015, 07:49:54 AM
Is that ayatollah?


Yes it is Ayatollah at 54 months weighing 2760#'s

The last time I saw Ayatollah, he was at stud at Minot ND, and I think he was 8 years old. He was, without any doubt, the tallest bull of any breed I have ever seen. I have seen some huge Holstein bulls but Ayatollah was bigger than any of them. He was standing by the fence and I tried to look over his back and could not do it, even when on my tip toes. I am 6 feet tall and this bull was massive!  He looked like he had been built by a committee but he certainly was tall!
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Post by: librarian on March 20, 2015, 09:29:56 AM
I wonder who is holding the rope.
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Post by: OH Breeder on March 20, 2015, 09:37:16 AM
That guy holding rope is standing up hill of the bull as well. He looks a foot or two of slope.
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Post by: librarian on March 20, 2015, 09:38:38 AM
This is Grand Society, looks like a match.
I save these pictures all the time and don't save the name. Wish I had JIT's memory.
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Post by: justintime on March 20, 2015, 11:54:19 AM
ABS imported 3 Aussie bulls at the same time. Lone Pine Grand Society and Merriwong Smuggler were two of them. The third bull escapes me right now. Seems to me, that Smuggler had a white mark on his heart. I saw all three bulls at ABS when they had a stud at Calgary, AB in the 70s. All three were pretty small framed, and I don't think any of them bred that well, as I don't ever remember seeing progeny from any of them. IMO, Grand Society was the best of the three
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Post by: Okotoks on March 20, 2015, 09:34:05 PM
ABS imported 3 Aussie bulls at the same time. Lone Pine Grand Society and Merriwong Smuggler were two of them. The third bull escapes me right now. Seems to me, that Smuggler had a white mark on his heart. I saw all three bulls at ABS when they had a stud at Calgary, AB in the 70s. All three were pretty small framed, and I don't think any of them bred that well, as I don't ever remember seeing progeny from any of them. IMO, Grand Society was the best of the three
The third bull was Wynyard Grand Ambassador. Meriwong Smuggler ended up at Alan Wilson's Aldolea herd. They were all smaller than the Mandalong bulls of the time.
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Post by: justintime on March 20, 2015, 11:37:44 PM
ABS imported 3 Aussie bulls at the same time. Lone Pine Grand Society and Merriwong Smuggler were two of them. The third bull escapes me right now. Seems to me, that Smuggler had a white mark on his heart. I saw all three bulls at ABS when they had a stud at Calgary, AB in the 70s. All three were pretty small framed, and I don't think any of them bred that well, as I don't ever remember seeing progeny from any of them. IMO, Grand Society was the best of the three
The third bull was Wynyard Grand Ambassador. Meriwong Smuggler ended up at Alan Wilson's Aldolea herd. They were all smaller than the Mandalong bulls of the time.



That is right Dan.  If I remember correctly, Smuggler was the smallest of the three. They were all much smaller than any of the other Aussie imports from Mandalong and Weebollabolla. I have often wondered if there was any semen still around on the any of the Weebollabolla bulls that came to Canada back in the 70s? I think Gary Hook in BC imported two of them.
I remember thinking that Lone Pine Grand Society was the best of last 3 imports, followed by Wynyard Grand Ambassador, then Merriwong Smuggler. I don't remember any of them being used very much.
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Post by: librarian on March 21, 2015, 07:24:56 AM
Ballot of Belladrum
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Post by: Zach on March 22, 2015, 12:48:30 AM
my goodness this thread is almost 8 years old... seems like it wasn't that long ago
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Post by: Telos on March 22, 2015, 08:00:25 AM
I breed a few hereford cows to this guy in the mid 80's. Thought he was pretty good for his day.
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Post by: justintime on March 22, 2015, 08:51:44 AM
Is that Tex Prime Time?
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Post by: Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR on March 22, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
How about this one? I don't know who it is.

He is Meriwong Smuggler.
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Post by: Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR on March 22, 2015, 10:09:41 AM
A younger Meriwong Smuggler.
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Post by: Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR on March 22, 2015, 10:12:12 AM
Pleasant Dawn Seal.
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Post by: Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR on March 22, 2015, 10:13:41 AM
Lone Pine Grand Society
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Post by: Telos on March 22, 2015, 12:35:05 PM
Is that Tex Prime Time?
No, that was "David", owned by Bright Bros. in Cal.. His sire was "Lerch".
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Post by: librarian on March 22, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
I like Herefords...
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Post by: librarian on March 23, 2015, 07:40:07 AM
Victor Domino
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Post by: knabe on March 23, 2015, 10:03:46 PM
Is that Tex Prime Time?
No, that was "David", owned by Bright Bros. in Cal.. His sire was "Lerch".


 I think the story on that was brights had national champion heifer or something similar, leech bred her there, resulting in David. I also remember that female.


They were in the horticultural business and have an antique shop completely driven by a belt system. For some reason the queen of England visited their place.


 I think one of the brothers raises show calves and they don't do much with reg Herefords anymore.
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Post by: xxcc on March 30, 2015, 04:51:42 AM
Throwback...
Name that Bull!!
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Post by: justintime on March 30, 2015, 07:24:43 AM
Jake the Snake?
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Post by: knabe on March 30, 2015, 11:35:23 AM
might be scotty pippen.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/14/your-tax-dollars-subsidizing-scottie-pippen-ted-turner-and-jon-bon-jovi/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/14/your-tax-dollars-subsidizing-scottie-pippen-ted-turner-and-jon-bon-jovi/)
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Post by: aj on March 30, 2015, 11:53:21 AM
Grande theft auto
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Post by: -XBAR- on March 30, 2015, 12:29:57 PM
Throwback...
Name that Bull!!

Pippen ain't easy


Here's one for you:
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Post by: knabe on March 30, 2015, 03:12:35 PM
earl campbell
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on March 30, 2015, 05:54:38 PM
Grande theft auto
''''' (clapping) (clapping) (lol) <party> <party>  (clapping)<beer> O0 O0 O0
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Post by: librarian on April 22, 2015, 07:43:53 PM
Been thinking about that deep flank thing...I think knabe has a point.
Maybe if the animal is short coupled the gut extends further back?
Anyway, who knows this guy?
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Post by: justintime on April 22, 2015, 09:32:15 PM
He looks like a Scotsdale bull to me. Could it be Scotsdale Lucifer?
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Post by: kiblercattle on April 22, 2015, 10:58:41 PM
heres two both are shorthorns.
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Post by: librarian on April 23, 2015, 05:27:47 AM
JIT, yes Scotsdale, but no not Lucifer.
Bought as Aspiration's replacement in 1952.
The mystery bull again and a photo of Aspiration....Sanders sure called it right back in 1918....

The market demand for "baby beef" has induced latterday breeders to seek a shorter-legged, more compactly fashioned, blockier type, such as feed to heavy weights at an early age; but it is to be hoped that in pursuing this subject scale will not be unduly neglected.
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Post by: librarian on April 23, 2015, 06:26:16 AM
Kibler, those are cool bulls, I hope someone knows them.
Here is another mystery because I can't read the writing under the white bull..
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Post by: justintime on April 23, 2015, 07:11:21 AM
JIT, yes Scotsdale, but no not Lucifer.
Bought as Aspiration's replacement in 1952.
The mystery bull again and a photo of Aspiration....Sanders sure called it right back in 1918....

The market demand for "baby beef" has induced latterday breeders to seek a shorter-legged, more compactly fashioned, blockier type, such as feed to heavy weights at an early age; but it is to be hoped that in pursuing this subject scale will not be unduly neglected.

If not Scotsdale Lucifer... how about Scotsdale Navarre?
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Post by: justintime on April 23, 2015, 07:13:37 AM
heres two both are shorthorns.

The horned bull is LR Randolph 14th, herd sire at Wendell Lovely's in Montana in the 70s
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Post by: kiblercattle on April 23, 2015, 08:15:21 AM
Justintime you are right. The roan bull is a lot more famous than Randolph.
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Post by: Okotoks on April 23, 2015, 12:22:42 PM
Justintime you are right. The roan bull is a lot more famous than Randolph.
Kibler is the roan bull a Deerpark import? I should know that photo and it's got me guessing :-\
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Post by: librarian on April 23, 2015, 12:24:37 PM
http://www.webruler.com/mtreciokas/scotsdale/ (http://www.webruler.com/mtreciokas/scotsdale/)
I got those pictures from this nice story about Scotsdale Farm

garybob nominated Randolph for Shorthorn to get cloned back in 2007. His remarks:
Shorthorn: LR Randolph 14th. Used by Dover Sindelar, He really stood out. People say he weighed 2600-plus, in his working britches. Was rock-solid, not flabby, yet soft enough. Big  & sound footed, extreme heel depth on the rear feet. Was only a 5 frame, and was so masculine, he had a tough time swishing the flies off his back & tail head with his head ( because he was so masculine-necked with a Bison-like crest).
Randolph's head and horns look, to me, like those on some of the real Scotch Shorthorns before pudification set in.
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Post by: Okotoks on April 23, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
Kibler, those are cool bulls, I hope someone knows them.
Here is another mystery because I can't read the writing under the white bull..
Librarian the white bull is Paint Earth Snow Drift 4S.
The red bull is Deer Trail Private Eye and the roan bull is Cactus Flat Winner 4W.
My Dad selected Deer Trail Private Eye out of the pens in Denver. He bred exceptionally well and when we lost him we purchased his half brother Cactus Flat Winner 4W. Both Winner and Private Eye were by Deer Trail Goliath. Ones dam was by Clark out of a western Canadian beef bloodline and the other dam was by Great White Hope out of a western Canadian beef bloodline. Both were amazingly consistent sires and their daughters were in the herd for years. We have some ET yearlings out of a Private Eye daughter.
When I saw Snow Drift at 3 years of age I had to have him to put over my Private Eyes. Snow Drift was 100% beef bloodlines and on the top had two crosses of the Wynyard Grand Ambassador bull mentioned in another thread. His offspring were impressive as yearlings but 4S did not end up having a long term influence on the herd. His name is spelt with two words for Paintearth which is not typical. We used a Paintaerth bull from the same cow family, Lady Lomond, last year. We have 5 incredible heifer calves by Paintearth Boomer 58Y, born light they all eye catching now.
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Post by: kiblercattle on April 23, 2015, 12:41:37 PM
Justintime you are right. The roan bull is a lot more famous than Randolph.
Kibler is the roan bull a Deerpark import? I should know that photo and it's got me guessing :-\

He is a deerpark import
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Post by: GM on April 23, 2015, 12:46:32 PM
Justintime you are right. The roan bull is a lot more famous than Randolph.
Kibler is the roan bull a Deerpark import? I should know that photo and it's got me guessing :-\

He is a deerpark import
A dehorned Irish import.  Is it Improver III?
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Post by: kiblercattle on April 23, 2015, 01:18:13 PM
Gm you are right
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Post by: librarian on April 23, 2015, 02:28:24 PM
I would have liked to see Improver 3rd with his horns.
These guys remind me of those old time real Scotch bulls. Just showing, not playing name the bull.
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Post by: justintime on April 24, 2015, 12:35:47 AM
I would have liked to see Improver 3rd with his horns.
These guys remind me of those old time real Scotch bulls. Just showing, not playing name the bull.

At the time of these polled bulls, like Kinnaber Leader 6th, they were considered to be much different from the old time Scottish bulls. They were much larger framed and better muscled. Looking at these bulls today, it is hard to think of them as being that much different than the Scottish bulls, but they certainly were.
I remember seeing several of the Scottish bulls that came over here, like Calrossie Highland Piper at Rothney, Calrossie White Emblem at Kelburn, Drynie Argosy at Remitall, Kinellar White Robin at Aberfeldy,  Bapton Constructor, Denend Constellation and Louada Rothes King ( imported in dam) at Louada, and they were much different from bulls like Leader 6th etc from the next few decades. Bapton Constructor was considered to be a massive bull at the time, yet I doubt if he would have weighed a ton when in excellent condition. I remember Denend Constellation very well, and I doubt if he would have weighed 1400 lbs as a mature bull on pasture.
I know many people wish we could bring back the old Scottish lines again, but I am reminded often, of the discussion I had with Donald and Diana McGillvary of Calrossie fame, at their farm in Scotland 4 years ago now. They were well into their 80s and we had a wonderful discussion about the cattle they raised that made a mark in Canada and the US. At one point in our discussion, I asked Donald if he knew of any Shorthorns that were remaining that were 100% of this breeding. His response really surprised me and he said" I sure the H--L hope there are none left. They are the reason the Shorthorn breed was placed on the endangered breed list in Britain. He said that they had completely got wrapped up in the hobby side of the industry and had lost all contact with what the beef industry was demanding and wanting. I have thought of this conversation many times since then, and feel it took a great man to realize the mistakes they had made and readily admit them.
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Post by: librarian on December 27, 2015, 03:34:41 PM
??
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Post by: Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR on December 28, 2015, 05:20:06 PM
Roan one is an argentinian bull called Leave Trasumante 168. Imported to Brazil at 14 months age. Sired by RPS Tribune 82 on a half Lincoln Red blood.
The second one is JASF Specialist 1G, which semen was sold in Brazil around 15 years ago. Specialist is canadian bull.
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Post by: -XBAR- on December 28, 2015, 05:46:43 PM
I'd prolly be too impatient to wait around for them to mature but I bet when they do, Specialist daughters make some pretty nice cows.
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Post by: Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR on December 28, 2015, 08:22:27 PM
I'd prolly be too impatient to wait around for them to mature but I bet when they do, Specialist daughters make some pretty nice cows.

Had until some years ago some Trasumante daughters, not so huge as you think. Good cows, deep and long. Have some Trasumante semen yet on stock.

Not yet used Specialist, bought few straws as not liked her type. Soon will use them to see what happens.
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Post by: librarian on July 06, 2016, 07:07:03 AM
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Post by: librarian on July 07, 2016, 08:11:08 AM
Says GRAND CHAMPION SHORTHORN BULL REGINA 1969 SPOTLIGHT SHOW.
I didn't know they wore hats like that in 1969!
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Post by: Medium Rare on June 22, 2017, 07:43:46 PM
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Post by: GM on June 22, 2017, 08:52:59 PM
Duke of Swisher?
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Post by: justintime on June 23, 2017, 08:19:40 AM
Duke of Swisher?

I would agree that this is Duke of Swisher.
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Post by: oakview on June 23, 2017, 09:09:58 AM
Certainly is Duke of Swisher, sire of AF Shannon Margie 924, one of the most influential cows in the history of the Shorthorn breed.  He was a straight dual purpose bull, sired by Foxdale Favorite Robin and bred by the Jones Family of Washington, Iowa.  K & K Shorthorns bought some cows that originated at the Jones farm and showed several of the resulting offspring the next year.  Alden Farms later purchased him, I believe in Denver.  As a yearling he was Grand Champion bull at the Illinois State Fair and I believe reserve junior champion bull to Hilltop Lancer 457 at the Iowa State Fair.  I had purchased a half brother to Duke, Justamere Todd, from the Jones Family earlier in 1975 that ended up as Grand Champion bull at both the Iowa and Minnesota State Fairs.  I traveled on the show road with the Lamparek Brothers (K & K Shorthorns) that fall and winter so I saw plenty of the Duke. 
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Post by: Medium Rare on June 23, 2017, 09:52:58 AM
I always wonder what these animals would look like if they were raised in today's systems.

I send you a message Oakview.
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Post by: -XBAR- on June 23, 2017, 02:43:33 PM
Duke of Swisher looks like a pretty useful bull to me and his TYPE would certainly improve and provide the angularity that many of the modern SH cattle need.
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Post by: oakview on June 26, 2017, 09:47:51 AM
That line, and several others, of straight dual purpose breeding were VERY useful.  Not all the duals looked like Holsteins.  Many dual purpose breeders of that era really had their act together.  Some still do.
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on June 26, 2017, 12:12:11 PM
Anybody remember Deertrail Goliath, Deertrail Dynamite 80, Wallstreet , or any of their really good Mark 4 x Hilltop Lancer (Sulleir  x Shorthorn xs)) breeding. The Marvel dual cows were very big and stout-and when crossed with Irish (Guiness and Dividend) and Maine,(Dollar the 2nd, Covino 2 and ???) produced some pretty useful cattle.Deertrail Buckshot introduced ALOT of the above  <alien> into Canada at Shadybrooke-his dam was a beautiful BIG RED cow who lived till she was something like 16-or 17. O0
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Post by: Medium Rare on August 22, 2017, 07:28:17 PM
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Post by: beebe on August 22, 2017, 11:04:50 PM
H.H.K.A. Buttercup's Prince 20th.  Virgil Wegener's bull.
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Post by: kiblercattle on September 03, 2017, 10:06:50 PM
Who is this bull?
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Post by: Medium Rare on September 03, 2017, 10:30:23 PM
Columbus
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Post by: knabe on September 04, 2017, 08:47:27 AM
Gotta be one of the strangest Bulls I've ever seen.
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Post by: idalee on September 04, 2017, 01:55:35 PM
Just a poor picture of a very good bull!   Amateur photographers need to remember this as these kind of images stay around forever and give good cattle a bad press.
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Post by: knabe on September 04, 2017, 04:30:53 PM
what was good about him.


he has no bone, no gaskin, no neck, no quarter, he's sheathy, neck comes out low from his withers, hip seems short. he has a lot of volume for how short his front and rear end is, he's very level topped. maybe the picture is when he's older? I don't remember seeing a lot of shorthorn bulls that looked like him, or any bull for that matter.
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Post by: Medium Rare on September 04, 2017, 04:48:40 PM
There are better pics of the bull, but they are hard to find. I believe Oakview dug this one up for us at one time or another. I think it gives a little different perspective on the bull.

If I can find it, I have the page saved out of the old shorthorn mag that used the original picture. I believe it talked about his performance figures.
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Post by: Medium Rare on September 04, 2017, 05:01:18 PM
The add with a very similar pic to the one from above.

(https://s26.postimg.org/bqubkke49/Columbus_2.jpg)
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Post by: justintime on September 05, 2017, 08:13:04 AM
Columbus was a better bull than is shown in this picture, for the times. He seemed to really work on some bloodlines popular in that era, and worked very well on Super Flag daughters. As was the case with most milking Shorthorn bulls, his daughters were better than his sons. I do remember a couple very good Columbus sons. I purchased a Columbus son at the Regina Bull Sale in the early 80s that was probably one of the best bulls I have ever owned. The Crestdale herd at Dysart, SK had some Columbus daughters in their herd that were pretty amazing cows then and would be today as well. They were apple smooth with perfect udders and adequate size. They produced very well for them. One of these cows still ranks in my mental list of top 10 cows I have ever seen. I remember taking Barry Jordan from Waukaru there, many years ago. He offered them some huge dollars for a couple cows there and they would not sell them. As we left their farm, he said that he had just seen 3 of the very best Shorthorn cows he had ever seen in his lifetime.
There were far poorer sires being used when Columbus was alive and there are lots of poorer bulls than him being used today.
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Post by: Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR on December 30, 2017, 07:17:18 PM
Who is he?
Name the bull.
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Post by: knabe on December 31, 2017, 06:40:12 AM
Thought it was dividend but trailhead is too dark.


Might be a super dazzler son.
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Post by: aj on December 31, 2017, 09:49:40 AM
Is a trail head like a head waters? From the clothes style.......I'd say from the 70's.
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Post by: GM on December 31, 2017, 05:26:26 PM
Tough to tell from that angle.  Got another pic?  He looks like a red necked roan with his tail done up in a ball.  Weren't many of those red neck roams that won in the era this pic seems to have been taken.  If it's a North American bull I'd guess young Irish Pride.  If the pic is taken somewhere in somewhere in South America I'd guess it's a Tribune son in the late 80's.  Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
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Post by: GoWyo on December 31, 2017, 06:47:51 PM
Guy at the table has a ball cap as do some in the crowd, showman has a cowboy hat, and another fellow standing in front of the bull has a scotch cap with the fuzzy ball on top.  The other guy at the head of the bull has a driving cap, but he appears to be an outlier in the headware department.  Going to guess this is a North American show.  Unfortunately can't read the banners on the table.
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on December 31, 2017, 07:45:52 PM
Whoever he is-Hes a structural wreck-given the goofy hats Id guess hes in Argentina O0
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Post by: justintime on January 01, 2018, 07:37:23 AM
I am pretty sure this would be a North American show as most of the shows in Argentina are held outside on grass. The first bull I thought of when I saw the picture was RPS Brag, who was sold to Australia, but I am pretty sure that isn't Don Pope on the halter.
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Post by: aj on January 01, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
I remember the scotch hats going around Denver. I had one. And.........they are kinda goofy.
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Post by: Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR on January 02, 2018, 06:18:52 AM
A north american show.
Not Argentina.
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Post by: doc-sun on January 02, 2018, 11:40:07 AM
I remember the scotch hats going around Denver. I had one. And.........they are kinda goofy.
would those hats cover KNABE'S TRAILHEAD? (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol) (lol)
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Post by: Okotoks on January 02, 2018, 03:35:46 PM
I am pretty sure this would be a North American show as most of the shows in Argentina are held outside on grass. The first bull I thought of when I saw the picture was RPS Brag, who was sold to Australia, but I am pretty sure that isn't Don Pope on the halter.
RPS Brag was a white son of Spruce Hill Image so can't be him. We used a roan son of Image. I was.a fan of Image's dam Oak Grove Rosette 5
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Post by: justintime on January 03, 2018, 04:11:22 PM
I am pretty sure this would be a North American show as most of the shows in Argentina are held outside on grass. The first bull I thought of when I saw the picture was RPS Brag, who was sold to Australia, but I am pretty sure that isn't Don Pope on the halter.
RPS Brag was a white son of Spruce Hill Image so can't be him. We used a roan son of Image. I was.a fan of Image's dam Oak Grove Rosette 5


Dan, you are correct. I thought of that when I was out feeding the cows and was going to correct my post but forgot when I came in.
And why does everyone refer to those hats as being "Scotch" hats? I doubt if any Scot ever wore one of these hats unless he was 2 or 3 generations from ever living in Scotland.
Getting back to the bull in question, he does look familiar but I am drawing blanks. I wish I could see clearer who was on the halter.
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Post by: knabe on January 03, 2018, 04:37:25 PM
And why does everyone refer to those hats as being "Scotch" hats? I doubt if any Scot ever wore one of these hats unless he was 2 or 3 generations from ever living in Scotland.


jackie stewart famously wore one a lot
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Post by: coyote on January 03, 2018, 08:35:46 PM
I think the hat Emerson Clark is wearing is more what a Scotsman would wear.
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Post by: aj on January 04, 2018, 12:45:13 PM
I did some googling around and the two guys standing together with different caps on.........I found evidence that suggests that both hats have, are and could be called scotch caps.
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Post by: coyote on January 04, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
Those Scotch caps sure made an impact in North America and I imagine they paid dividends to the manufactures who made them. I sure like mine in the winter time.
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Post by: aj on January 05, 2018, 08:46:33 AM
Scot you have what I call a scotch hat.
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Post by: cowman 52 on January 05, 2018, 07:47:38 PM
John Patterson sold no telling how many scotch caps  during Denver in the 70's and later years.  Then past week I wished I still had one.   They would last forever.
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Post by: aj on January 06, 2018, 06:17:45 AM
I remember going to the stock show as a kid. We stayed in a hotel. I turned on the tv and about cried. A tv station that had sports 24 hours a day. It was incredible.
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Post by: GM on January 13, 2018, 09:27:55 AM
Who is he?
Name the bull.
Do you know his name?
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Post by: knabe on January 13, 2018, 11:08:15 AM
stlnr e
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Post by: tnt on January 13, 2018, 11:13:48 AM
Don't have much help on the bull but it looks like the Chicago International. I was there late 60's early 70's. Those hats were big then.
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 13, 2018, 01:07:56 PM
Here he is-only to be eclpsed by Grubbs Mckensie O0
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Post by: Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR on January 13, 2018, 04:55:30 PM
He was born in the USA and sold at a Canadian sale in the early 80's.
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 14, 2018, 11:23:14 AM
I put him on because of the subject "scotch cap"-Which is goofier today? Him or the hats (caps) O0
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Post by: cowman 52 on January 14, 2018, 05:14:19 PM
In their day both served their purpose.  Have to remember, at   that  time,  cow prices at an all time low, wasn't much of a way to hang on and the frame 10's came along,  kept a bunch of cow people from going t**s up,  let us hang on till things got better.
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on January 14, 2018, 05:50:40 PM
Im right there-he actually was one of the better big ones and seemed sound- by "today" I meant the lack of historical perspective "modern" responders seem to have offhand and didnyt get across-The hats hands down  were definitely goofier than him-the Ayatollah Evergreen Seville Shorthorns were FAR WORSE O0
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Post by: Medium Rare on October 22, 2018, 10:50:06 PM
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Post by: shortybreeder on October 23, 2018, 07:40:41 AM
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NPS Durango 774 CHB ?
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Post by: Doc on October 23, 2018, 08:30:32 PM
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NPS Durango 774 CHB ?

That's not Durango.
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Post by: knabe on October 23, 2018, 10:39:08 PM
trump?


just kidding.
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Post by: knabe on October 23, 2018, 10:41:46 PM
http://www.britishwhitecattle.us.com/2012/01/shorthorn-and-white-park-cattle.html (http://www.britishwhitecattle.us.com/2012/01/shorthorn-and-white-park-cattle.html)
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on October 23, 2018, 10:44:08 PM
looks like a leaddr the 18th or dividend-maybe dr pepper
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Post by: Doc on October 24, 2018, 04:32:11 AM
looks like a leaddr the 18th or dividend-maybe dr pepper

Don't think 18th, definitely not Dividend, possibly Dr Pepper.
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Post by: GM on October 25, 2018, 07:35:17 PM
Appears to be a dehorned Irish bull.  Irish Pride maybe?  Gonna need a clue
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Post by: Medium Rare on October 25, 2018, 09:57:01 PM
I found the picture online with some info leading me to believe it is in fact Deerpark Leader 18th.

I was hoping someone might be able to confirm, as I've never saw a picture of the bull.
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Post by: Doc on October 26, 2018, 04:27:24 AM
I found the picture online with some info leading me to believe it is in fact Deerpark Leader 18th.

I was hoping someone might be able to confirm, as I've never saw a picture of the bull.

If it is Ldr 18th, then it is a picture I've never seen. I wasn't thinking he was as dark bodied as that. I'll look this evening.
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Post by: justintime on October 27, 2018, 07:58:49 AM
I saw Leader 18th a few times at Ron Hofstrands in North Dakota and I never saw him looking like that!  It may well be Leader 18th, but the picture must have been taken on a very poor day. I will always remember going to Hofstrand's in fall one year, and seeing Leader 18th and a pasture full of his calves. At the time, I thought they may have been one of the best sets of calves from any sire I had ever seen. They were all stamped alike and all were pretty darn good! If I had not been using Highfield Irish Mist ( also a son of Leader 18th) I would have tried to buy one that day.
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Post by: kiblercattle on October 27, 2018, 09:20:25 AM
Is there a chance that he could be the steermaker bull. It's been a long time since I saw a picture of him but seems to me he looked similar.
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Post by: Medium Rare on October 27, 2018, 10:11:52 AM
Is there a chance that he could be the steermaker bull. It's been a long time since I saw a picture of him but seems to me he looked similar.

Steermaker's "roan" was much more solid and his rear legs were white.
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Post by: knabe on October 27, 2018, 12:43:52 PM
looks like a leaddr the 18th or dividend-maybe dr pepper

Don't think 18th, definitely not Dividend, possibly Dr Pepper.


Why not dividend, the horns.?  He’s got the red wrap around on rear leg.
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Post by: Medium Rare on October 27, 2018, 01:06:35 PM
Along with the horns, Dividend was a much lighter roan color with most of the red limited to his neck. This bull is colored more like Leader himself, but built differently and still missing the horns.
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on October 31, 2018, 08:08:40 PM
I didnt think he was a Guiness son but could ne guiness by leader 18-my reponses such as Dr Pepper etc are Sons of Dividend-Leader 18th etc-If heisnt Dr Pepper he may be BBS Primetime-Guiness on the Highfield hope cow-or Dr Pepper at Kennedy Bros-This is also based on the wide made cows in the background-which probably have Irish and Maine in them-Not garbage like Ayatollah O0
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Post by: GM on November 04, 2018, 05:41:00 PM
Seldom seen pic of this guy - should be easy.  Name the bull.
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Post by: kiblercattle on November 05, 2018, 02:22:54 PM
I have never seen this pic of dividend but have seen a similar one.
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Post by: GM on November 10, 2018, 05:03:52 PM
I found the picture online with some info leading me to believe it is in fact Deerpark Leader 18th.

I was hoping someone might be able to confirm, as I've never saw a picture of the bull.
Opposite view but sure looks similar to your mystery bull. 
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Post by: GM on April 08, 2019, 06:16:25 PM
This Shorthorn changed the breed in a big way...name the bull
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Post by: mark tenenbaum on April 08, 2019, 07:44:00 PM
enticer O0
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Post by: aj on April 08, 2019, 08:14:54 PM
Looks like Ayatollah to me.
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Post by: GM on April 08, 2019, 08:19:47 PM
Looks like Ayatollah to me.
Yup, young Ayatollah - changed the breed in a “big” way for a time
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Post by: knabe on April 21, 2019, 01:07:44 PM
asdf
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Post by: doc-sun on April 21, 2019, 04:48:22 PM
asdf
You sent me that pic so I won't answer.
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Post by: Telos on April 21, 2019, 05:32:49 PM
Looked at Browarny's collection of pics... still can't seem to find him.

He sure looks like a good one. Stout with a show look.

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Post by: aj on April 22, 2019, 07:49:00 AM
Thornwood Major?
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Post by: knabe on April 22, 2019, 12:40:32 PM
Hint on Maine bull is his name is what the notes added to a sale entry are called.
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Post by: ROMAX on April 22, 2019, 09:40:56 PM
Coca Cola
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Post by: knabe on April 22, 2019, 11:04:44 PM
Coca Cola


this is coca cola
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Post by: fullblood on April 23, 2019, 08:37:35 PM
is it Teton
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Post by: mbigelow on April 23, 2019, 10:13:29 PM
Footnote?
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Post by: knabe on April 23, 2019, 11:07:42 PM
Footnote?


On the right track


More specifically, the comments on an album sleeve.
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Post by: knabe on April 23, 2019, 11:22:24 PM
Calling view teton
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Post by: knabe on April 23, 2019, 11:27:05 PM
Thornwood Major?



He’s on this page.


http://shorthornselectsemen.com/heritagenative-shorthorn-semen (http://shorthornselectsemen.com/heritagenative-shorthorn-semen)
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Post by: doc-sun on April 24, 2019, 05:55:04 PM
Hint on Maine bull is his name is what the notes added to a sale entry are called.
protection for a truck bed too
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Post by: Telos on April 24, 2019, 07:17:50 PM
Ernmore Headliner? Really, knabe <cowboy>
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Post by: fullblood on April 24, 2019, 07:31:10 PM
who was his sire ? do you have some old semen from him? Teton looked a little like him.
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Post by: ROMAX on April 24, 2019, 07:47:12 PM
WLB LINER
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Post by: knabe on April 24, 2019, 07:56:08 PM
who was his sire ? do you have some old semen from him? Teton looked a little like him.


he is this guy.
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2759242125&9=515B5827 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2759242125&9=515B5827)


yes i have semen on him and a few embryo's out of a direct dabla cow, whose pedigree is all pre 1980 as she was an embryo.
he is similar in pedigree to this guy on the bottom without the novino on the top. Rina is a full sib to Quina.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A252F2F2F&9=515A515A (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A252F2F2F&9=515A515A)
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Post by: knabe on April 24, 2019, 07:57:21 PM
WLB LINER


awesome!  you posted before my update. what was your reference?
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Post by: Telos on April 25, 2019, 08:29:43 PM
Knabe, you have acquired an impressive collection of Maine Anjou pictures and pedigrees.

Liner, IMO took a darn good picture but is there any offspring of high profile that goes back to him. Was he not sampled heavily?
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Post by: knabe on April 25, 2019, 09:09:40 PM
Sire of hillside peter.

He did not take a good pic

Sorta glad I did not go to effort to get more of him
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Post by: knabe on April 26, 2019, 07:48:24 AM
bull from news paper article

His sire is

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A23272720 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B5A23272720)
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Post by: knabe on April 26, 2019, 08:26:59 PM
I have semen on this guy.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2624232722&9=515A5927 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2624232722&9=515A5927)

Also known as Apple 3j in amaa

Telos May remember a bull that on the bottom is Romeo 9th is related to vainqueur

He’s actually his sire!!

Yes, want to cross this cow w him and prospector 242p to concentrate that. Plus, the rest is a complete outcross.
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Post by: knabe on April 26, 2019, 09:01:17 PM
An acquaintance has an Apple 3j crossbred calf on the ground now.
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Post by: knabe on April 28, 2019, 07:57:40 PM
the bull from the newspaper article is


http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2621222F2E&9=51595E5D (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B2621222F2E&9=51595E5D)
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Post by: knabe on May 11, 2020, 01:56:26 PM
Had good son.
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Post by: knabe on May 14, 2020, 07:29:55 PM
No interest I guess.

Bull is nbh polled energizer 688E

https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=242107

Sire of Ali who is sire if GOET I80

https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&search_value=&animal_registration=400082&member_id=
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Post by: Gargan on May 14, 2020, 08:27:51 PM
Looks to have pretty good bws . Doesn't have the long muzzle,  hard doing look that his son and grandson possessed either
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Post by: knabe on May 14, 2020, 09:13:40 PM
Dcc the man was prob a better bull than Ali.

https://maine-anjou.digitalbeef.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=_animal&file=_animal&animal_registration=264806


Energizer was prob a freak looking at his pedigree.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Gargan on May 15, 2020, 07:44:50 AM
Dcc the man was prob a better bull than Ali.

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Ever seen a pic of him?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on May 15, 2020, 08:48:31 AM
https://deroucheycattle.com/herdsires/TheMann.html (https://deroucheycattle.com/herdsires/TheMann.html)


not aware of a better hi-res pic
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on June 07, 2020, 11:07:04 AM
bull
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: Duncraggan on June 07, 2020, 11:26:31 AM
I'm trying to see a year! Is that deliberate?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on June 07, 2020, 12:10:58 PM
it's not in the pic itself, but 89


i thought he would look a little different with his pedigree
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: idalee on June 07, 2020, 02:28:20 PM
Is that Glenford Excaliber 20X?
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on June 07, 2020, 02:42:12 PM
Fullblood maine. (“75% shorthorn”)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on June 07, 2020, 03:56:40 PM
prefix is kbc
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on June 07, 2020, 04:57:41 PM
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B232327242D&9=5C505C5B (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B232327242D&9=5C505C5B)
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on June 07, 2020, 05:03:10 PM
here's another obscure one.


reserve champ same year as last pick
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on June 11, 2020, 07:59:55 PM
http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B23212F2523&9=5C5F5059 (http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=20352036&2=2420&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=59245C5B23212F2523&9=5C5F5059)

He certainly wasn’t as popular as the more recent monopoly.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on June 13, 2020, 03:33:14 PM
obscure bull
sons gained 4.5+ per day back in the day
i sorta thought he would be wider tracking, heavier boned.
Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on July 11, 2020, 04:44:54 PM
Gilcroft dancer

Title: Re: NAME THE BULL!
Post by: knabe on July 11, 2020, 04:45:54 PM
Next one.