NAME THE BULL!
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farmboy
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LOULOU...TOO EASY WITH GOOGLE. (clapping)
http://www.manitoumaineanjou.ca/index.php?page=gallery/indimg.php&indid=95&catid=12#thepic
http://www.manitoumaineanjou.ca/index.php?page=gallery/indimg.php&indid=95&catid=12#thepic
farmboy
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what ??? ??? ???
knabe
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if that's impressive, his feet sure look small. he wasn't run because his muslces were too big for his carriage, ie mark mcguire. strange seeing his head from that angle.
by the way, there is a test for HERDA now. and breeders are saying you need one copy to win. sound familiar?
by the way, there is a test for HERDA now. and breeders are saying you need one copy to win. sound familiar?
farmboy said:
are you saying you know nothing about horses? those are good really good hints --- the horse in the picture is the Draft Pick or Stinger or Improver or Outcast of another defect (ie in the horse) ---somebody help the farm boy here - Rhonda is busy!!!
knabe
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dirty doer is kind of tricky on this one.
both dry doc and doc o lena by poco lena, by poco bueno lines are responsible for most of them, ~95%. after that, it gets fishy. could be the dam of poco bueno, and since the other 5% come from other lines including poco bueno's full brother old grand dad, it could be from the paternal side.
some think it didn't come from king, and therefore traveler, since a lot of king and traveler linebreds dont' have it in the absence of poco bueno lines. that leaves the maternal side.
this is another interesting gene, because it would be neat to see if this came from a spontaneous change recently, is a recombination error, or has a function, or some selection going on in the presence of the right combination of genes, and when those got weeded out for whatever reason, the phenotype manifests itself. the sloughing of skin.
both dry doc and doc o lena by poco lena, by poco bueno lines are responsible for most of them, ~95%. after that, it gets fishy. could be the dam of poco bueno, and since the other 5% come from other lines including poco bueno's full brother old grand dad, it could be from the paternal side.
some think it didn't come from king, and therefore traveler, since a lot of king and traveler linebreds dont' have it in the absence of poco bueno lines. that leaves the maternal side.
this is another interesting gene, because it would be neat to see if this came from a spontaneous change recently, is a recombination error, or has a function, or some selection going on in the presence of the right combination of genes, and when those got weeded out for whatever reason, the phenotype manifests itself. the sloughing of skin.
farmboy
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THAT ONE NIGHT I WAS LOOKIN' AT RACE HORSES...THOUROGH (sp) BREDS....I'M STILL IN THE DARK HERE..WHATS THE HORSES NAME ANYWAY.I'M STICKIN' TO BULLS
farmboy
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red
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Not sure who the bull is Farmboy ( what breed?)- but here is some information on DL's horse & the syndrome:
Of the top 15 halter horses in 1992, 13 were descendants of Impressive. Even at the age of 23, Impressive himself was fourth on the list. In 1993, it was estimated that more than 55,000 Quarter Horses, Paints, and Appaloosas world-wide bore his pedigree.
But what seemed like a winning streak to go down in history was soon to be overshadowed by tragedy. Greatness, unfortunately, was not the only thing that Impressive passed on. He has also been linked to a genetic mutation that only recently has been implicated in the rare but burgeoning - and sometimes fatal - muscular disorder known as hyperkalemic periodic paralysis. This particular defect is a dominant condition, meaning that at least half of the affected horses' offspring will be affected as well. In the words of one prominent Quarter Horse trainer, this discovery was "one of the most devastating things that has ever hit the horse industry."
Within a few years of Impressive's ascendancy to the top of the sire's list, halter horse owners began to notice a strange muscular twitching that often left their horses temporarily unable to move. Usually mis-diagnosed as tying-up syndrom or colic, these episodes varied widely in degree and duration....but all had one factor in common, their pedigree. As a result, many people now know HYPP as its' more common name: Impressive Syndrom.
Research funded by the AQHA and the University of California-Davis Equine Research Laboratory subsequently linked the problem to elevated levels of potassium in the blood serum. But even as researchers at leading veterinary schools began publishing articles in professional journals and trade publications, the vast majority of Quarter Horse owners remained unaware of the condition.
All the while, Impressive and his kin continued to make history.....breeding, showing, winning ribbons, and making their owners fantastic sums of money. Most affected horses can be controlled quite well with medication and a proper low-potassium diet, therefore, many owners of affected horses considered HYPP a minor inconvenience in light of the line's tremendous value. Given the fact that - at the time - there was no proof that the disorder was exclusive to the Impressive line - not to mention the fact that owners of stock descended from Impressive included some of the most prominent and wealthy individuals in the industry - no one wanted to be the first to publicly implicate the line. And, even later, when a breakthrough genetic test removed all doubt, lessening the moral and ethical burdens associated with naming Impressive as the carrier, neither the research community nor the AQHA was eager to lift the lid of this Pandora's box: Each feared possible legal and financial ramifications from a sector of the horse industry that would be shaken to its foundations.
In the past few years however, pressures both within and outside the Quarter Horse industry finally shattered the secrecy surrounding HYPP. The genetic test, made available in 1992, can identify affected horses with virtual certainty. As a result, many owners of horses descended from Impressive have rushed to have their horses tested, hoping that a negative result would protect their considerable investment against the anticipated backlash. Breeders have purchased advertising in The Quarter Horse Journal touting their HYPP-negative test results, and privately have urged their peers to either test their Impressive bred horses, or remove them from breeding.
Of the top 15 halter horses in 1992, 13 were descendants of Impressive. Even at the age of 23, Impressive himself was fourth on the list. In 1993, it was estimated that more than 55,000 Quarter Horses, Paints, and Appaloosas world-wide bore his pedigree.
But what seemed like a winning streak to go down in history was soon to be overshadowed by tragedy. Greatness, unfortunately, was not the only thing that Impressive passed on. He has also been linked to a genetic mutation that only recently has been implicated in the rare but burgeoning - and sometimes fatal - muscular disorder known as hyperkalemic periodic paralysis. This particular defect is a dominant condition, meaning that at least half of the affected horses' offspring will be affected as well. In the words of one prominent Quarter Horse trainer, this discovery was "one of the most devastating things that has ever hit the horse industry."
Within a few years of Impressive's ascendancy to the top of the sire's list, halter horse owners began to notice a strange muscular twitching that often left their horses temporarily unable to move. Usually mis-diagnosed as tying-up syndrom or colic, these episodes varied widely in degree and duration....but all had one factor in common, their pedigree. As a result, many people now know HYPP as its' more common name: Impressive Syndrom.
Research funded by the AQHA and the University of California-Davis Equine Research Laboratory subsequently linked the problem to elevated levels of potassium in the blood serum. But even as researchers at leading veterinary schools began publishing articles in professional journals and trade publications, the vast majority of Quarter Horse owners remained unaware of the condition.
All the while, Impressive and his kin continued to make history.....breeding, showing, winning ribbons, and making their owners fantastic sums of money. Most affected horses can be controlled quite well with medication and a proper low-potassium diet, therefore, many owners of affected horses considered HYPP a minor inconvenience in light of the line's tremendous value. Given the fact that - at the time - there was no proof that the disorder was exclusive to the Impressive line - not to mention the fact that owners of stock descended from Impressive included some of the most prominent and wealthy individuals in the industry - no one wanted to be the first to publicly implicate the line. And, even later, when a breakthrough genetic test removed all doubt, lessening the moral and ethical burdens associated with naming Impressive as the carrier, neither the research community nor the AQHA was eager to lift the lid of this Pandora's box: Each feared possible legal and financial ramifications from a sector of the horse industry that would be shaken to its foundations.
In the past few years however, pressures both within and outside the Quarter Horse industry finally shattered the secrecy surrounding HYPP. The genetic test, made available in 1992, can identify affected horses with virtual certainty. As a result, many owners of horses descended from Impressive have rushed to have their horses tested, hoping that a negative result would protect their considerable investment against the anticipated backlash. Breeders have purchased advertising in The Quarter Horse Journal touting their HYPP-negative test results, and privately have urged their peers to either test their Impressive bred horses, or remove them from breeding.
farmboy
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MAINE 
xxcc
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in regard to loulou, the hint was too easy.
farmboy
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IT WASN'T THE HINT. I GOOGLED MAINE ANJOU FRANCE AND IT WAS ON LIKE MANITOU MAINE OR SOMTHIN' LIKE THAT. (pop)WHO'S THE 4 TIME CHAMPION SIRE
farmboy
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MORE OF A MATERNAL SIRE.AND A LOONY TOON
JUST A DIFFERENT PIC OF A BULL TODAY
JUST A DIFFERENT PIC OF A BULL TODAY
Telos
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You have made it easy for me on this one, only because I really like this guy for making females. It better be KBC TAZ or I'll come across as being over confident
farmboy
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CORRECT! THREE STARS FOR TELOS BUT SINCE NO STARS ARE AVAILABLE YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE 3 DOGSTelos said:
(dog) (dog) (dog) HAD TO MIX THE PICS UP...AND HOW BOUT THEM LOONY TOONS..."WHATS UP DOC"
farmboy said:MAINE
Actually half blood Maine - the rest I believe is primarily Angus with a touch of Chi - now explain the looney tunes thing - got some Taz in the tank if it refers to him (and believe me I checked the temperament thing pretty close, even called KB of KBC - I might have to rethink!) - good job Telos, American Idol ain't got nothing on you guyys!
