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Title: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: illinoisfarmmom on March 19, 2012, 12:16:02 PM
Can anyone point me in the direction of where I can find sale results from the March 17th OH Beef Expo Shorthorn sale?  Appreciate it!
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: Garrett on March 19, 2012, 04:37:45 PM
you can try either live auctions tv, cagwin cattle services, and the ohio beef expo site because it was offered online at liveauctions and cagwin was the sale manager if this helps at all. I do know that Gottschalk had high selling bull and female.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: OH Breeder on March 19, 2012, 06:04:23 PM
My subscription APPARENTLY has expired. They want you to purchase a subscription to view sales and bid etc. I did last year. Don't think I will again.


This is all they allow you to see unless you PURCHASE a subscription.

Ohio Beef Expo - Shorthorn Sale





Averages
Category/Per Lot Averages

 
Name   Sale Total   Count   Average
Ohio Beef Expo; Sale Ring 1   $18,775.00   4   $4,693.75
 
Lot  Category/Lot  Item  Item In Lot

 
 
ALL
Ohio Beef Expo; Sale Ring 1



Lot       Lot Price              
57   a   1200.00   
57   A,B   1200.00   
60   a   1000.00   
60   b   1375.00   
60   c   250.00   
60   d   400.00   
61   a   2200.00   
61   a,b   4450.00   
61   b   4450.00   
62   a   900.00   
62   b   1350.00
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: E6 Durhams on March 19, 2012, 06:16:06 PM
A one nutted bull sold for $4300.00. Even announced it when he was in the ring. I have seen it all now. I wonder how many other breeds had a good time chatting about that? No offense to anyone, those that sold and those that bought but my goodness. Get a sharp knife and count to two.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: aandtcattle on March 19, 2012, 06:32:46 PM
A one nutted bull sold for $4300.00. Even announced it when he was in the ring. I have seen it all now. I wonder how many other breeds had a good time chatting about that? No offense to anyone, those that sold and those that bought but my goodness. Get a sharp knife and count to two.
HOLY CRAP!!
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: Okotoks on March 19, 2012, 06:51:22 PM
A one nutted bull sold for $4300.00. Even announced it when he was in the ring. I have seen it all now. I wonder how many other breeds had a good time chatting about that? No offense to anyone, those that sold and those that bought but my goodness. Get a sharp knife and count to two.
HOLY CRAP!!
Did the ones with two bring $8600!
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: -XBAR- on March 19, 2012, 06:55:07 PM
A one nutted bull sold for $4300.00. Even announced it when he was in the ring. I have seen it all now. I wonder how many other breeds had a good time chatting about that? No offense to anyone, those that sold and those that bought but my goodness. Get a sharp knife and count to two.
Like a defect having only one nut or you mean he was banded and only got 1 of em, so they decided to sell it as a bull?  Anyhow- how embarrassing...for the seller and buyer.

How did jtm's JPJ daughter sell? She looked real nice in the catalog.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: justintime on March 19, 2012, 06:58:28 PM
which testicle was it? Was it the one that gives the X chromosome to the calves or the one that gives the Y chromosome? Maybe that is why he sold so good, as maybe he will sire all heifers!  haha.

I have seen some bulls that lost a testicle by injury that were good breeding bulls for many years. I remember one excellent bull that produced semen for many years at stud with only 1 testicle. Here in Canada, it would be virtually impossible to sell a bull with one testicle in an auction, because no vet would ever pass him for breeding soundness. You may be able to sell him privately if he was good enough.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: Doc on March 19, 2012, 07:25:11 PM
Yea , I couldn't believe it. He was even telling people that it was because of the way he was laying in his dam and then he told one guy that when he was nervous that he pulled it up like that. I could believe that he would pass a fertility test , but not a true BSE.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: sue on March 19, 2012, 08:26:35 PM
He passed the BS test !

I attended but did not record a single price. Great crowd !
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: sue on March 19, 2012, 08:45:43 PM
which testicle was it? Was it the one that gives the X chromosome to the calves or the one that gives the Y chromosome? Maybe that is why he sold so good, as maybe he will sire all heifers!  haha.

I have seen some bulls that lost a testicle by injury that were good breeding bulls for many years. I remember one excellent bull that produced semen for many years at stud with only 1 testicle. Here in Canada, it would be virtually impossible to sell a bull with one testicle in an auction, because no vet would ever pass him for breeding soundness. You may be able to sell him privately if he was good enough.
Okay, standing from the rear he had the left one. 
 
Driving home I remembered that my Dad used to laugh about a Scotch bull imported in the 50's with one testicle . We looked it up on Sunday.  Drynie Wonder 2549781. Willow Lee Farms of Ohio imported this bull. Dad said that if he had two testicles he would not have left Scotland!
 Anyhow Michigan state University purchased a son Willow Lee Wonder .... this bull went on to produce MSU Wonder 2888-717. Many breeders had decendents of MSU Wonder.... MSU's herd of shorthorns sold in the late or mid 60's.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: Davis Shorthorns on March 19, 2012, 08:51:24 PM
wow that is disgusting.  1 nutted bull?  wow I guess thats where we want the breed to go now.  wow.  WTHeck???
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: Doc on March 19, 2012, 08:57:31 PM
He passed the BS test !

I attended but did not record a single price. Great crowd !

When you say the bs test I hope you mean the "bull S**t test, not a breeding soundness test. There should be no way a bull should pass a true breeding soundness exam with one testicle.  
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: redcows on March 19, 2012, 08:59:53 PM
I have a subscription to liveauctions and all the other sale reports are complete except this one...most of them including the Alta Cedar sale today were up in short order. My guess this sale report is a burp in the system, we'll see.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: Okotoks on March 19, 2012, 09:00:13 PM
This reminds me of when I purchased GLEN HAVEN WAYLAND, a son of Spruce Hill Image and his dam by Deer Trail Awesome. I was pretty excited to be getting a son of Image. When they arrived the trucker was saying how impressed he was with the size of the bull calfs testicles. He said they were even bigger than the two year old bull he was trucking. One look and I was on the phone to the vet. It turned out he had been stepped on in the trailer. A few weeks later he was a one nutted bull, but that one worked. We did use him and he got the cows in calf and his main claim to fame would be his daughter Diamond Baroness 31G, the dam of Diamond Baroness 21J and Diamond Baroness 31L who in turn were the dams of YY The Earl of Dover and ACC General 4U.
Im surprised that bull at the OH Beef Expo Sale was allowed to sell. At a consignment sales here they require a semen test with a proper inspection.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: sue on March 19, 2012, 09:01:39 PM
yep I mean the BS test .....and not the BSE  ;)
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: E6 Durhams on March 19, 2012, 10:00:08 PM
They announced in the ring that the other nut had not desended but was there or some crap like that. When he went into the ring I was in the back and I thought this dude wont bring a grand. Ahh what the hell do I know.....bada bing bada boom.....4300 hundo. Unbelievable. Not ten steps to the right of this bulls pen was lots of angus bulls that blew him out of the water. The angus bulls there were head and shoulders above the shorties. Sorry. Just my opinion. There was a Limestone Great Divide son there that I loved. He was bad to the bone. Anyhow, I believe the ASA was against the bull being in the sale but somehow he still sold. I dont care how good a bull is. My God doesnt common sense just scream "Hey man, I got one nut down here, Im a steer!"


How many shorthorn folks there walked the angus aisles?

I didnt write any prices down. The Gottshalk bull was pretty cool, moderate little chunk. Cool colored. JTM's heifer sold pretty good. She looked good in person. His whole bunch did.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: Doc on March 20, 2012, 05:44:33 AM
They announced in the ring that the other nut had not desended but was there or some crap like that.

It very well could have been there, but he was still a cryptorchid! A very heritable trait.

 Anyhow, I believe the ASA was against the bull being in the sale but somehow he still sold.

I would say that unless the consignment letter said "we reserve the right to sift at the sale", then they had no legal right to kick him out. It should have been up to the breeder not to bring him.

How many shorthorn folks there walked the angus aisles?

How many Angus breeders walked the Shorty aisles? I mean if I'm not into Angus pedigrees & Angus cattle & don't plan on using Angus cattle , then why should I? I don't think that makes anyone less of a cattleperson.  I geuss if I'm trying to sell a bunch of bulls maybe, just so you know what your competition is ?

I didnt write any prices down. The Gottshalk bull was pretty cool, moderate little chunk. Cool colored. JTM's heifer sold pretty good. She looked good in person. His whole bunch did.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: E6 Durhams on March 20, 2012, 07:17:47 AM
Maybe if you walked down through the angus you could see the difference. Turning a blind eye just because you dont like them or dont plan on using them is pretty silly to me. I talked to several angus folks walking through the shorthorns. I just was wondering if any shorthorn breeders walked through them and noticed the quality is all. Something to be learned IMO.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: justintime on March 20, 2012, 08:07:04 AM
They announced in the ring that the other nut had not desended but was there or some crap like that. When he went into the ring I was in the back and I thought this dude wont bring a grand. Ahh what the hell do I know.....bada bing bada boom.....4300 hundo. Unbelievable. Not ten steps to the right of this bulls pen was lots of angus bulls that blew him out of the water. The angus bulls there were head and shoulders above the shorties. Sorry. Just my opinion. There was a Limestone Great Divide son there that I loved. He was bad to the bone. Anyhow, I believe the ASA was against the bull being in the sale but somehow he still sold. I dont care how good a bull is. My God doesnt common sense just scream "Hey man, I got one nut down here, Im a steer!"


How many shorthorn folks there walked the angus aisles?

I didnt write any prices down. The Gottshalk bull was pretty cool, moderate little chunk. Cool colored. JTM's heifer sold pretty good. She looked good in person. His whole bunch did.

My problem isn't so much that this bull sold, but if his testicle wasn't decended, I think that could be a fairly heritable trait. He may never sire a bull calf that isn'gt steered, but his daughters will probably pass this ugly trait on as well. More proof that common sense is dieing a slow and cruel death!
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: vanridge on March 20, 2012, 08:37:38 AM
Doesn't that just give the whole breed a bad reputation? No wonder there are people out there who think that shorthorn breeders are a bunch of wack-a-doodles. No offense to anyone. Selling a one nutter makes everyone look bad.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: Shorthorns4us on March 20, 2012, 09:25:20 AM

Someone posted that the ASA was not in favor of the bull walking in-- how much pull would the ASA have to stop a deal like this or refuse transfers, registrations, etc.??  I mean it is their registry-- they can refuse animals, can't they?  not looking for an argument, just asking.

Vanridge-- you hit it on the head-- no wonder we (shorthorns) can't get some more commercial credibility. 
We must work together as a breed to think of the good of the breed as a whole in our breeding decisions.  I understand that we all have bills to pay, but we must try to work for the good of the group.
Just my 2 cents.
EF
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: redcows on March 20, 2012, 05:32:17 PM
Just had a little contact with liveauctions and they weren't aware the Ohio Shorthorn report just had the genetic lots and that they would locate the full report and load that up by noon Wed so we should know tomorrow
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: sue on March 20, 2012, 09:02:49 PM

Someone posted that the ASA was not in favor of the bull walking in-- how much pull would the ASA have to stop a deal like this or refuse transfers, registrations, etc.??  I mean it is their registry-- they can refuse animals, can't they?  not looking for an argument, just asking.

Vanridge-- you hit it on the head-- no wonder we (shorthorns) can't get some more commercial credibility. 
We must work together as a breed to think of the good of the breed as a whole in our breeding decisions.  I understand that we all have bills to pay, but we must try to work for the good of the group.
Just my 2 cents.
EF
I guess it's our membership dollars at work?... but if you are reading this thread please stop calling me. I attended this event the bull was lot 4 . More then likely his paternal brothers sold the following day?   I did see all of the consignments- champion bull of gottschalk's was refreshing and looked to me a total package? Alot of good bulls sold just not this one in question. Two Ace of Diamonds and plenty of JPJ bulls .
If you would like to purchase bulls with 2 testicles- contact waukauru or myself... we have bullls with two nutts and born w/o assistance.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: JTM on March 20, 2012, 09:56:27 PM
It was our first consignment to the OBE and we were really happy with the results. It was beautiful weather and we met a lot of good people. It was a really enjoyable weekend! As far as the heifers I think the sale average was $2600 or so. The bulls were more like $3,300 I think. It seemed like things sold pretty good and the quality was really good.
As far as the one nutted bull goes, I noticed it when walking around checking out the bulls. I definitely think it should not have been sold because of the impression it gives of our breed to commercial customers or any other customer. I did hear that the bull was semen tested and it came out good. Still doesn't qualify it for me with the potential for a defect being passed on in so many cattle.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: steermaker on March 21, 2012, 07:01:32 AM
JTM your lot #42 was very nice would have like to have her at my place but a bull was our priority for this year.

Here is what I have on prices for the cattle by order of sale

Bulls
#2-8300
#64-4900
#9-2500
#5-3100 (our purchase)
#13-7000
#1-5750
#6-2700
#7-3000
#3-1000
#12-1200
#8-1250 (buy of the sale?)
#10-2200
#11-2750
#15-800
#4-4300 (bull with hanging testicle)

Purebred Heifers
17-3500
33-3600
21-3000
65-3250
25-2600
35-2600
38-3750
16-1800
31-3700
19-2000
29-2900
26-2250
20-2950
37-2000
36-2600
32-2350
28-2100
22-2550
30-2550
27-2100
23-3150
24-2150
34-1550

Plus Heifers
49-7250
40-3000
44-2900
46-1500
42-2600
63-2400
50-2000
47-3000
45-2300
43-1950
39-1350
41-1900

Bull average = $3383
Heifer average = $2562 on pure, $2679 on plus
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: OH Breeder on March 21, 2012, 09:52:28 AM
I thought the overall quality of cattle was pretty good. The bull questioned above from the naked eye was attractive and had some of the more popular breeding.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: -XBAR- on March 21, 2012, 12:48:27 PM
He's nice lookin for sure.  I was disappointed when I noticed the bull in question was lot 4.  That deep low set is a good look- its the look Solution throws.  Why can't there be an easier doin cf Solution with more practical numbers!?!?  I jus like the way they look I can pick em out of a line up every time.

Concerning lot #4, are there any vets on the board that can give us any insight as to the heritability of this trait?  Or is it even a trait...meaning If it were to do with how he was positioned in the womb (which I have no idea if that's even a possibility), I wouldn't think that wouldn't effect his offspring??
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: OH Breeder on March 21, 2012, 12:58:10 PM
He's nice lookin for sure.  I was disappointed when I noticed the bull in question was lot 4.  That deep low set is a good look- its the look Solution throws.  Why can't there be an easier doin cf Solution with more practical numbers!?!?  I jus like the way they look I can pick em out of a line up every time.

Concerning lot #4, are there any vets on the board that can give us any insight as to the heritability of this trait?  Or is it even a trait...meaning If it were to do with how he was positioned in the womb (which I have no idea if that's even a possibility), I wouldn't think that wouldn't effect his offspring??

Okay this is my thing and I don't have a horse in this race BUT.....Ohio State Vet Hospital (which we are all fairly close to here in Ohio where this bull was raised) will pull an undescended testicle down for $150-200. I think that's pretty cheap. If the other nut was up inside why not spend the few dollars to have it put down where it belongs? Goodluck to the new buyer I guess.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: coyote on March 21, 2012, 01:18:25 PM


Quote
Okay this is my thing and I don't have a horse in this race BUT.....Ohio State Vet Hospital (which we are all fairly close to here in Ohio where this bull was raised) will pull an undescended testicle down for $150-200. I think that's pretty cheap. If the other nut was up inside why not spend the few dollars to have it put down where it belongs? Goodluck to the new buyer I guess.

Oh Breeder, I hope you were being sacastic!

Cryptorchidism in North American cattle: breed predisposition and clinical findings.
St Jean G, Gaughan EM, Constable PD.
SourceDepartment of Clinical Sciences, College of Veterinary Medicine, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS 66506-5606, USA.

Abstract
The authors analyzed data collected over 26 years from 143 cryptorchid bulls admitted to 23 North American veterinary schools. Breed was found to be a risk factor. The medical records of 41 cryptorchid cattle were also obtained, and the physical examination findings, method of diagnosis, and surgical management were recorded. Polled Hereford and Shorthorn cattle were at significantly greater risk for cryptorchidism; however, polled cattle were not at an increased risk for cryptorchidism. Cryptorchidism was most commonly diagnosed by external palpation of the superficial inguinal rings and by palpation per rectum. Unilateral cryptorchidism appears to be more common than bilateral cryptorchidism. The incidence of cryptorchidism was 69% for the left testis and 31% for the right testis. Sixty-six percent of the retained testes were located in the inguinal canal. Cryptorchidectomy was performed through an inguinal, paramedian or flank approach in 26 bulls. Cryptorchidism appears to be rare in bovine bulls admitted to North American veterinary schools, with 1.7 cases per 1,000 bull admissions. We suggest that cryptorchidism be considered an inherited trait in the Shorthorn and Polled Hereford breeds.

Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: OH Breeder on March 21, 2012, 01:34:55 PM


Quote
Okay this is my thing and I don't have a horse in this race BUT.....Ohio State Vet Hospital (which we are all fairly close to here in Ohio where this bull was raised) will pull an undescended testicle down for $150-200. I think that's pretty cheap. If the other nut was up inside why not spend the few dollars to have it put down where it belongs? Goodluck to the new buyer I guess.

Oh Breeder, I hope you were being sacastic!

Cryptorchidism in North American cattle: breed predisposition and clinical findings.
St Jean G, Gaughan EM, Constable PD.
SourceDepartment of Clinical Sciences, College of Veterinary Medicine, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS 66506-5606, USA.

Abstract
The authors analyzed data collected over 26 years from 143 cryptorchid bulls admitted to 23 North American veterinary schools. Breed was found to be a risk factor. The medical records of 41 cryptorchid cattle were also obtained, and the physical examination findings, method of diagnosis, and surgical management were recorded. Polled Hereford and Shorthorn cattle were at significantly greater risk for cryptorchidism; however, polled cattle were not at an increased risk for cryptorchidism. Cryptorchidism was most commonly diagnosed by external palpation of the superficial inguinal rings and by palpation per rectum. Unilateral cryptorchidism appears to be more common than bilateral cryptorchidism. The incidence of cryptorchidism was 69% for the left testis and 31% for the right testis. Sixty-six percent of the retained testes were located in the inguinal canal. Cryptorchidectomy was performed through an inguinal, paramedian or flank approach in 26 bulls. Cryptorchidism appears to be rare in bovine bulls admitted to North American veterinary schools, with 1.7 cases per 1,000 bull admissions. We suggest that cryptorchidism be considered an inherited trait in the Shorthorn and Polled Hereford breeds.



Long story short....cut them off


few years back a guy had an awesome steer prospect. Only problem technically he wasn't a steer "yet" he had one testicle that was undescended. I could have had all the work done at OSU in and out in a day for very little money. Just seems so simple to me ???
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: Doc on March 21, 2012, 05:37:39 PM
Does anyone have the results on the embryo's?
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: steermaker on March 21, 2012, 08:29:12 PM
Here are the embryo prices

Lot 51-4x$225
Lot 52-3x$500
Lot 53-3x$450
Lot 54-3x$400
Lot 55-4x$100
Lot 56-4x$250
Lot 57a-3x$400
Lot 58-3x$200
Lot 59-4x$225

I don't know what the semen brought as we didn't stay for that part of the sale.
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: Doc on March 22, 2012, 05:13:30 AM
Thanks!!
Title: Re: OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???
Post by: DRB on March 22, 2012, 08:46:29 AM


Quote
Okay this is my thing and I don't have a horse in this race BUT.....Ohio State Vet Hospital (which we are all fairly close to here in Ohio where this bull was raised) will pull an undescended testicle down for $150-200. I think that's pretty cheap. If the other nut was up inside why not spend the few dollars to have it put down where it belongs? Goodluck to the new buyer I guess.

Oh Breeder, I hope you were being sacastic!

Cryptorchidism in North American cattle: breed predisposition and clinical findings.
St Jean G, Gaughan EM, Constable PD.
SourceDepartment of Clinical Sciences, College of Veterinary Medicine, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS 66506-5606, USA.

Abstract
The authors analyzed data collected over 26 years from 143 cryptorchid bulls admitted to 23 North American veterinary schools. Breed was found to be a risk factor. The medical records of 41 cryptorchid cattle were also obtained, and the physical examination findings, method of diagnosis, and surgical management were recorded. Polled Hereford and Shorthorn cattle were at significantly greater risk for cryptorchidism; however, polled cattle were not at an increased risk for cryptorchidism. Cryptorchidism was most commonly diagnosed by external palpation of the superficial inguinal rings and by palpation per rectum. Unilateral cryptorchidism appears to be more common than bilateral cryptorchidism. The incidence of cryptorchidism was 69% for the left testis and 31% for the right testis. Sixty-six percent of the retained testes were located in the inguinal canal. Cryptorchidectomy was performed through an inguinal, paramedian or flank approach in 26 bulls. Cryptorchidism appears to be rare in bovine bulls admitted to North American veterinary schools, with 1.7 cases per 1,000 bull admissions. We suggest that cryptorchidism be considered an inherited trait in the Shorthorn and Polled Hereford breeds.


Sounds like we need a genetic test for this one.  I agree any 1-nut bull should quickly become a steer, but I guess it is a bit difficult to get that nut that hasn't descended...