OH BEEF EXPO SHORTHORN SALE RESULTS???

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vanridge

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Doesn't that just give the whole breed a bad reputation? No wonder there are people out there who think that shorthorn breeders are a bunch of wack-a-doodles. No offense to anyone. Selling a one nutter makes everyone look bad.
 

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Someone posted that the ASA was not in favor of the bull walking in-- how much pull would the ASA have to stop a deal like this or refuse transfers, registrations, etc.??  I mean it is their registry-- they can refuse animals, can't they?  not looking for an argument, just asking.

Vanridge-- you hit it on the head-- no wonder we (shorthorns) can't get some more commercial credibility. 
We must work together as a breed to think of the good of the breed as a whole in our breeding decisions.  I understand that we all have bills to pay, but we must try to work for the good of the group.
Just my 2 cents.
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Just had a little contact with liveauctions and they weren't aware the Ohio Shorthorn report just had the genetic lots and that they would locate the full report and load that up by noon Wed so we should know tomorrow
 

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Shorthorns4us said:
Someone posted that the ASA was not in favor of the bull walking in-- how much pull would the ASA have to stop a deal like this or refuse transfers, registrations, etc.??  I mean it is their registry-- they can refuse animals, can't they?  not looking for an argument, just asking.

Vanridge-- you hit it on the head-- no wonder we (shorthorns) can't get some more commercial credibility. 
We must work together as a breed to think of the good of the breed as a whole in our breeding decisions.  I understand that we all have bills to pay, but we must try to work for the good of the group.
Just my 2 cents.
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I guess it's our membership dollars at work?... but if you are reading this thread please stop calling me. I attended this event the bull was lot 4 . More then likely his paternal brothers sold the following day?  I did see all of the consignments- champion bull of gottschalk's was refreshing and looked to me a total package? Alot of good bulls sold just not this one in question. Two Ace of Diamonds and plenty of JPJ bulls .
If you would like to purchase bulls with 2 testicles- contact waukauru or myself... we have bullls with two nutts and born w/o assistance.
 
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It was our first consignment to the OBE and we were really happy with the results. It was beautiful weather and we met a lot of good people. It was a really enjoyable weekend! As far as the heifers I think the sale average was $2600 or so. The bulls were more like $3,300 I think. It seemed like things sold pretty good and the quality was really good.
As far as the one nutted bull goes, I noticed it when walking around checking out the bulls. I definitely think it should not have been sold because of the impression it gives of our breed to commercial customers or any other customer. I did hear that the bull was semen tested and it came out good. Still doesn't qualify it for me with the potential for a defect being passed on in so many cattle.
 

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JTM your lot #42 was very nice would have like to have her at my place but a bull was our priority for this year.

Here is what I have on prices for the cattle by order of sale

Bulls
#2-8300
#64-4900
#9-2500
#5-3100 (our purchase)
#13-7000
#1-5750
#6-2700
#7-3000
#3-1000
#12-1200
#8-1250 (buy of the sale?)
#10-2200
#11-2750
#15-800
#4-4300 (bull with hanging testicle)

Purebred Heifers
17-3500
33-3600
21-3000
65-3250
25-2600
35-2600
38-3750
16-1800
31-3700
19-2000
29-2900
26-2250
20-2950
37-2000
36-2600
32-2350
28-2100
22-2550
30-2550
27-2100
23-3150
24-2150
34-1550

Plus Heifers
49-7250
40-3000
44-2900
46-1500
42-2600
63-2400
50-2000
47-3000
45-2300
43-1950
39-1350
41-1900

Bull average = $3383
Heifer average = $2562 on pure, $2679 on plus
 

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I thought the overall quality of cattle was pretty good. The bull questioned above from the naked eye was attractive and had some of the more popular breeding.
 

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He's nice lookin for sure.  I was disappointed when I noticed the bull in question was lot 4.  That deep low set is a good look- its the look Solution throws.  Why can't there be an easier doin cf Solution with more practical numbers!?!?  I jus like the way they look I can pick em out of a line up every time.

Concerning lot #4, are there any vets on the board that can give us any insight as to the heritability of this trait?  Or is it even a trait...meaning If it were to do with how he was positioned in the womb (which I have no idea if that's even a possibility), I wouldn't think that wouldn't effect his offspring??
 

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Chandler said:
He's nice lookin for sure.  I was disappointed when I noticed the bull in question was lot 4.  That deep low set is a good look- its the look Solution throws.  Why can't there be an easier doin cf Solution with more practical numbers!?!?  I jus like the way they look I can pick em out of a line up every time.

Concerning lot #4, are there any vets on the board that can give us any insight as to the heritability of this trait?  Or is it even a trait...meaning If it were to do with how he was positioned in the womb (which I have no idea if that's even a possibility), I wouldn't think that wouldn't effect his offspring??

Okay this is my thing and I don't have a horse in this race BUT.....Ohio State Vet Hospital (which we are all fairly close to here in Ohio where this bull was raised) will pull an undescended testicle down for $150-200. I think that's pretty cheap. If the other nut was up inside why not spend the few dollars to have it put down where it belongs? Goodluck to the new buyer I guess.
 

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Okay this is my thing and I don't have a horse in this race BUT.....Ohio State Vet Hospital (which we are all fairly close to here in Ohio where this bull was raised) will pull an undescended testicle down for $150-200. I think that's pretty cheap. If the other nut was up inside why not spend the few dollars to have it put down where it belongs? Goodluck to the new buyer I guess.

Oh Breeder, I hope you were being sacastic!

Cryptorchidism in North American cattle: breed predisposition and clinical findings.
St Jean G, Gaughan EM, Constable PD.
SourceDepartment of Clinical Sciences, College of Veterinary Medicine, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS 66506-5606, USA.

Abstract
The authors analyzed data collected over 26 years from 143 cryptorchid bulls admitted to 23 North American veterinary schools. Breed was found to be a risk factor. The medical records of 41 cryptorchid cattle were also obtained, and the physical examination findings, method of diagnosis, and surgical management were recorded. Polled Hereford and Shorthorn cattle were at significantly greater risk for cryptorchidism; however, polled cattle were not at an increased risk for cryptorchidism. Cryptorchidism was most commonly diagnosed by external palpation of the superficial inguinal rings and by palpation per rectum. Unilateral cryptorchidism appears to be more common than bilateral cryptorchidism. The incidence of cryptorchidism was 69% for the left testis and 31% for the right testis. Sixty-six percent of the retained testes were located in the inguinal canal. Cryptorchidectomy was performed through an inguinal, paramedian or flank approach in 26 bulls. Cryptorchidism appears to be rare in bovine bulls admitted to North American veterinary schools, with 1.7 cases per 1,000 bull admissions. We suggest that cryptorchidism be considered an inherited trait in the Shorthorn and Polled Hereford breeds.

 

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coyote said:
Okay this is my thing and I don't have a horse in this race BUT.....Ohio State Vet Hospital (which we are all fairly close to here in Ohio where this bull was raised) will pull an undescended testicle down for $150-200. I think that's pretty cheap. If the other nut was up inside why not spend the few dollars to have it put down where it belongs? Goodluck to the new buyer I guess.

Oh Breeder, I hope you were being sacastic!

Cryptorchidism in North American cattle: breed predisposition and clinical findings.
St Jean G, Gaughan EM, Constable PD.
SourceDepartment of Clinical Sciences, College of Veterinary Medicine, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS 66506-5606, USA.

Abstract
The authors analyzed data collected over 26 years from 143 cryptorchid bulls admitted to 23 North American veterinary schools. Breed was found to be a risk factor. The medical records of 41 cryptorchid cattle were also obtained, and the physical examination findings, method of diagnosis, and surgical management were recorded. Polled Hereford and Shorthorn cattle were at significantly greater risk for cryptorchidism; however, polled cattle were not at an increased risk for cryptorchidism. Cryptorchidism was most commonly diagnosed by external palpation of the superficial inguinal rings and by palpation per rectum. Unilateral cryptorchidism appears to be more common than bilateral cryptorchidism. The incidence of cryptorchidism was 69% for the left testis and 31% for the right testis. Sixty-six percent of the retained testes were located in the inguinal canal. Cryptorchidectomy was performed through an inguinal, paramedian or flank approach in 26 bulls. Cryptorchidism appears to be rare in bovine bulls admitted to North American veterinary schools, with 1.7 cases per 1,000 bull admissions. We suggest that cryptorchidism be considered an inherited trait in the Shorthorn and Polled Hereford breeds.

Long story short....cut them off


few years back a guy had an awesome steer prospect. Only problem technically he wasn't a steer "yet" he had one testicle that was undescended. I could have had all the work done at OSU in and out in a day for very little money. Just seems so simple to me ???
 

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Here are the embryo prices

Lot 51-4x$225
Lot 52-3x$500
Lot 53-3x$450
Lot 54-3x$400
Lot 55-4x$100
Lot 56-4x$250
Lot 57a-3x$400
Lot 58-3x$200
Lot 59-4x$225

I don't know what the semen brought as we didn't stay for that part of the sale.
 

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coyote said:
Okay this is my thing and I don't have a horse in this race BUT.....Ohio State Vet Hospital (which we are all fairly close to here in Ohio where this bull was raised) will pull an undescended testicle down for $150-200. I think that's pretty cheap. If the other nut was up inside why not spend the few dollars to have it put down where it belongs? Goodluck to the new buyer I guess.

Oh Breeder, I hope you were being sacastic!

Cryptorchidism in North American cattle: breed predisposition and clinical findings.
St Jean G, Gaughan EM, Constable PD.
SourceDepartment of Clinical Sciences, College of Veterinary Medicine, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS 66506-5606, USA.

Abstract
The authors analyzed data collected over 26 years from 143 cryptorchid bulls admitted to 23 North American veterinary schools. Breed was found to be a risk factor. The medical records of 41 cryptorchid cattle were also obtained, and the physical examination findings, method of diagnosis, and surgical management were recorded. Polled Hereford and Shorthorn cattle were at significantly greater risk for cryptorchidism; however, polled cattle were not at an increased risk for cryptorchidism. Cryptorchidism was most commonly diagnosed by external palpation of the superficial inguinal rings and by palpation per rectum. Unilateral cryptorchidism appears to be more common than bilateral cryptorchidism. The incidence of cryptorchidism was 69% for the left testis and 31% for the right testis. Sixty-six percent of the retained testes were located in the inguinal canal. Cryptorchidectomy was performed through an inguinal, paramedian or flank approach in 26 bulls. Cryptorchidism appears to be rare in bovine bulls admitted to North American veterinary schools, with 1.7 cases per 1,000 bull admissions. We suggest that cryptorchidism be considered an inherited trait in the Shorthorn and Polled Hereford breeds.

Sounds like we need a genetic test for this one.  I agree any 1-nut bull should quickly become a steer, but I guess it is a bit difficult to get that nut that hasn't descended...
 
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