Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle

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DL

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Okotoks said:
The breed doesn't have any more problems than other breeds we just seem to have an unusal amount of "breeders" that like to attack their chosen breed and fellow breeders on line. Quite a another problem but seems to get mixed up in almost every Shorthorn thread on here ??? Unfortunately it gives a very negative spin to most threads.

If you think Shorthorn breeders are special in that regard you need to get out more
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: ::) ::) ??? ??? :eek: :eek: :eek:

My information is accurate and my desire to have individuals submit samples is sincere.

Perhaps a little history of TH will shed some light on the current issue and put the numbers in perspective  ...the pattern of defect and mutation identification, human and breeder responses to this potential defect is no different than that we have seen in the past with TH, PHA, AM, NH, OS, MA, EI, DM, CA etc etc

In 2000 Dave Steffens and colleagues reported 6 cases of TH (3 from the US and 3 from Canada) and concluded that the abnormality was genetic and inherited in an autosomal recessive fashion - abstract below

Vet Pathol 37:508–511 (2000)
Tibial Hemimelia, Meningocele, and Abdominal Hernia in Shorthorn Cattle
J.-M. LAPOINTE, S. LACHANCE, AND D. J. STEFFEN
Abstract. Six genetically related Shorthorn calves were affected with the tibial hemimelia syndrome. The
lesions included bilaterally malformed or absent tibia and abdominal hernia in all animals, a long shaggy
haircoat, retained testicles in males, and meningocele in three animals. The malformations were similar to those described previously in Galloway calves. Pedigree analysis demonstrated a mechanism by which a recessive allele in a homozygous state could be responsible for the disorder. The condition in these calves was considered the result of a recurrence of a genetic mutation affecting a putative hemimelia locus
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Sometime later, when the frequency of abnormal calves reached a level of concern, and midwest breeders and Dr Chuck Hannon started submitting samples, Dr Beever and crew identified the TH mutation(s) - this was done without benefit of the 50K SNP chip, and thus required informative pedigrees and many more samples than are needed today. Information provided on showsteers was important in educating and alerting breeders and encouraging the submission of samples. The free flow of information was encouraged.

The mutation was traced to the Irish bull Deerpark Improver (ASA # 3,684,142; born 1972), one of a few direct imports to North America. Improver was used extensively in the U.S. in the 1970s, as there are 635 direct progeny registered with the American Shorthorn Association. The defective gene has been shown to be aristaless-like homeobox 4 (ALX4), a major regulator of hind limb formation. The Improver deletion removes approximately one-third of the ALX4 gene, including the upstream regulatory sequence and involves approximately 46,000 base pairs. After identification of the Improver deletion, it was noted that although the parentage of some TH calves was DNA-verified, some parents did not test positive for the Improver deletion. Additional studies revealed that the bull TKA Outcast (ASA # 4,046,304; born 2001) possessed a larger deletion of 450,000 base pairs that overlapped the Improver deletion, and removed four genes, including ALX4. The Outcast deletion is rare and affected calves sired by Outcast were ‘‘compound heterozygotes’’ (heterozygous with the Improver mutation on one chromosome and the Outcast mutation on the other).

I have no idea how many offspring of Improver offspring are listed in the ASA herd book, but if we take 6 of 635 direct offspring this is two orders of magnitude LESS than the example provided by jamiediamond - so with 6 cases of TH we began to identify the bloodlines and mutation(s) responsible for a lethal genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle.

So TH started with the reporting of 6 affected calves, today we have 7 calves reported with a hind limb abnormality

To add a little more perspective

The popularity of the TH phenotype has led to extensive use of carrier bulls in the club calf and show cattle arena. A substantial number of cattle registered with the Shorthorn, Maine Anjou, Chianina breed Associations, as well as crossbred or composite cattle, are known to carry the defective gene. In 2004, more than half of the top 10 sires for a number of Shorthorn registrations were putative carriers. In 2005, 21 of 24 black composite AI sires offered by a single vendor were verified as carriers.

In a 2007 sire directory of popular ‘‘club calf sires’’, one-third of bulls were TH carriers, including clones and sons of a popular TH carrier bull. Of the 10 most popular Shorthorn AI sires for 2006 calves, three were carriers for both TH and PHA and one was a carrier of TH (Shorthorn Country, April 2007).

So let me reiterate what we know so far about this potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle

Seven cases of abnormalities of the distal leg/foot and dew claws of the hind limbs in Shorthorn calves have been reported

Hind limbs only affected, below the hock

These cases are not "classic" mule foot and the gene responsible for mule foot (LRP4) is not involved

The phenotype is variable, so one leg could be obviously affected and the other more subtly affected

Typically the calf has inappropriately placed dew claws and may have some other slight curvature or deformity at the base of the leg that makes it somewhat difficult for them to mobilize.

Most calves are born alive; severely affected calves are put down because they cannot walk; less severe can grow into it

If the calf survives it appears to "improve" as it ages (variable phenotype somewhat like like FCS)

Cases are from various geographic regions (again suggesting the abnormality has a genetic component)

All cases have similar ancestors on one side of the pedigree,  a popular AI sire or his sons

All 7 cases have been genotyped;  6 of 7 share a segment of 2.7 Mb for which they are homozygous, again suggesting that it may be genetic

Discussion of this potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle has led to increased breeder awareness and hopefully  submission of samples from potentially affected calves in the pasture or the freezer. If you have a calf with abnormal hind limbs below the hock do the right thing - submit samples

 

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Thanks for posting that DL. Very informative, I enjoyed reading that and look forward to more information on the subject as you are able to post it.
 

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DL said:
My information is accurate and my desire to have individuals submit samples is sincere.


So let me reiterate what we know so far about this potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle

Seven cases of abnormalities of the distal leg/foot and dew claws of the hind limbs in Shorthorn calves have been reported

Hind limbs only affected, below the hock

These cases are not "classic" mule foot and the gene responsible for mule foot (LRP4) is not involved

The phenotype is variable, so one leg could be obviously affected and the other more subtly affected

Typically the calf has inappropriately placed dew claws and may have some other slight curvature or deformity at the base of the leg that makes it somewhat difficult for them to mobilize.

Most calves are born alive; severely affected calves are put down because they cannot walk; less severe can grow into it

If the calf survives it appears to "improve" as it ages (variable phenotype somewhat like like FCS)

Cases are from various geographic regions (again suggesting the abnormality has a genetic component)

All cases have similar ancestors on one side of the pedigree,  a popular AI sire or his sons

All 7 cases have been genotyped;  6 of 7 share a segment of 2.7 Mb for which they are homozygous, again suggesting that it may be genetic

Discussion of this potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle has led to increased breeder awareness and hopefully  submission of samples from potentially affected calves in the pasture or the freezer. If you have a calf with abnormal hind limbs below the hock do the right thing - submit samples


DL are you directly involved in the testing of the samples? You have written some interesting articles http://kaisercattle.com/articles.htm
 

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So I take it the bottom side of the pedigree doesn't have to carry this gene to make the gene express it self?  Maybe I don't understand genetics as well as I thought.
 

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cattlefarmer...from what I've heard there hasn't been any pattern to cow side. I don't know how the mule foot deal works.....does it take two carriers?
 

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cattlefarmer said:
So I take it the bottom side of the pedigree doesn't have to carry this gene to make the gene express it self?  Maybe I don't understand genetics as well as I thought.

I'm wondering if it's not similar to the TH thing-- in which the animal causing the problem might actually be something way back in quite a few pedigrees-- and just showed up; but tons of animals all over the country are actually hidden carriers of the gene.  According to DL- all the effected animals are homozygous for this gene pair- meaning they got a copy from both parents.  

The other thing that's interesting, is these calves are only out of Shorthorn cows-- and if in fact this bull was used by so many other cattle people in other breeds and club calf circles (or so he was atleast promoted such) then if the bottom of the pedigree was irrelevant-- then more of these calves would be showing up...
 

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cattlefarmer said:
So I take it the bottom side of the pedigree doesn't have to carry this gene to make the gene express it self?  Maybe I don't understand genetics as well as I thought.

Please note - the title of the thread is[size=10pt]"Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle"
- that means we do not know if it is genetic. There is some evidence to suggest that it is but to determine if it is genetic WE NEED MORE SAMPLES FROM AFFECTED CALVES

SO IF YOU HAVE A CALF WITH ABNORMALITY OF THE HIND LIMBS PLEASE
- SAMPLES
- PEDIGREE
- PICTURES


also don't get confused - this is NOT mule foot and the gene responsible for mule foot (LRP4) is not involved
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Thanks for posting that DL. Very informative, I enjoyed reading that and look forward to more information on the subject as you are able to post it.
ditto
 

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This could have been handled way better. A plea should have been put out WITHOUT a bulls name. Photos of what to look for. Then a true unbiased sampling could have been obtained. Has anyone contacted the ASA and asked about this?
Yes. I contacted ASA lonnnng before this thread regarding the bull in question... I was told to call Patrick Wall, ASA - his number is on web page.
 

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We live in an instant gratification society, unfortunately it looks like this will take time to sort it out.  My only advice is to be patient.

For the record, removing the original thread was done on my accord.  I have emailed back and forth with Patrick at the ASA and was only asked about posting their statement.

I do ask you refrain from posting the sire name until this is resolved one way or the other.  Your welcome to private message each other. 
 

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Little refresher on where we stand on sp.

Basically you are solely responsible from what you post, if someone would contact me with valid objection, my responsibility lies in the fact that I have a reasonable time frame to remove the post.

I can tell you that I will not ever give an email address or an ip address unless it is by court order or I deem it to be a trivial request (helping someone contact you that wants to buy your cattle).  However this does not provide you a haven, what it provides you is to post your opinions in a responsible fashion. 

I have been contacted by a lawyer before that wanted me to release ip addresses of a topic and testify that said ip addresses were human posters as opposed to an automated bot or computer script.  I respectfully declined.  This case had nothing to do with anyone on steer planet, however the plaintiff was trying to make a case that their name was damaged by an incident involving a cattle transaction that was later discussed on steer planet.


I try to make this free and open as possible, but we do have to respect the right of others, especially if hasn't been proven one way or the other.  I think you would expect the same treatment if it was your business, farm, or bull.



 

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I'm eating a potential heifer that had that problem. I fed her slowly up to 1,000 lbs.
 

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I'm eating a potential heifer that had that problem. I fed her slowly up to 1,000 lbs.

it would be good if you sent some of the most expensive cut to Dr B (OK any sample would be good) and if you had a picture that would be good too TIA
 

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What's Fuzzy Vision's registration number or full name?
 

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I am going to call it right now.... I've been doing some pedigree reading...

The bull in question, that might possess this genetic defect- is double bred to Irish Pride...

I'm going to guess and say that this bull was mated to a ton of shorthorn females, who were daughters, granddaughters, etc.. of Irish Pride's most famous son... He was the king of club calf shorthorns-- and these females are believed to work really good on the bull in question...

I'm going to guess and say-- this genetic defect is derived from Irish Pride...

Just speculation though at this point...
 

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If we are starting rumours......you're saying..........the old improver bull.......may be "double stuff". It seems like ever since the white man has taken over this continent........the world has gone to HELL! ;D
 

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I was contacted today from the ASA about my goofball calf. Sounds like they have wheels a turning.
 

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My thoughts and only that. I worked to raise a registered herd of Shorthorn cows by breeding to two of the hottest bulls at the time. Double stuff and Outrageous. I don't need to tell the oldtimers what happend. TH Ruined my work and I ended up either shipping or selling the balance of the herd.No one? knew what was causing the calves to have the defformities and I seen all of the affects of TH born calves. I checked the water, feed, pasture, supplements and everything else that we could have thought. Well eventually I was out of having a herd of cows and took a substantial beating on the cost of it all.
This looks to be like the same story. My buddy had a heifer calf born this year that had the same exact issue with her hind legs. Waaaaayyyyyy too much in common here. Waaaayyyy too much money can be lost by the identity of the issue quickly.
But I doubt that anyone really cares about the money that someone else looses just there own.
Just my opinion I am not looking at kicking the hornets nest!
 

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