Problems with Paddy O' Malley's calving

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kndcattle

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I was just curious if anyone else had this happen to them with Paddy O' Malley calves or anyother bulls.  We had two calves that required a very hard pull.  The calves would have one leg out, then the head would come.  But the other leg would be tucked straight back under him facing his rear end.  This caused a lot of problems getting the calves out.  One cow went about a week early and the other about five days late.  Any thoughts on this topic would be appreciated.  Thanks.
 

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That is just a freak coincidence. If you can get the calf pushed back far enough to get the other leg up is best, but if you can't, pull on the leg available and a head snare can be helpful. I've only pulled one in 40 some years with one leg and it was a CE Angus sired calf. Still a rather tough pull, but not what I would call a hard pull. Good luck with your calves.
 

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kndcattle said:
I was just curious if anyone else had this happen to them with Paddy O' Malley calves or anyother bulls.  We had two calves that required a very hard pull.  The calves would have one leg out, then the head would come.  But the other leg would be tucked straight back under him facing his rear end.  This caused a lot of problems getting the calves out.  One cow went about a week early and the other about five days late.  Any thoughts on this topic would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Obviously after the fact now, but if you have a similar situation, push the calf back in until you can get both front feet coming out first.  Then pull.

ANY TIME YOU USE AN ANIMAL WITH MONGRELIZED GENETICS LIKE THE BULL YOU MENTIONED YOU WILL THROW CONSISTENCY AND PREDICTIBILITY OUT THE WINDOW.  HOW ONE CALF PRESENTS ITSELF SHOULD HAVE NO BEARING ON WHAT TO EXPECT WITH THE NEXT WHEN GAMBLING W/ THESE TYPE GENETICS- IT WILL ALWAYS BE A CRAPSHOOT.
 

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-XBAR- said:
kndcattle said:
I was just curious if anyone else had this happen to them with Paddy O' Malley calves or anyother bulls.  We had two calves that required a very hard pull.  The calves would have one leg out, then the head would come.  But the other leg would be tucked straight back under him facing his rear end.  This caused a lot of problems getting the calves out.  One cow went about a week early and the other about five days late.  Any thoughts on this topic would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Obviously after the fact now, but if you have a similar situation, push the calf back in until you can get both front feet coming out first.  Then pull.

ANY TIME YOU USE AN ANIMAL WITH MONGRELIZED GENETICS LIKE THE BULL YOU MENTIONED YOU WILL THROW CONSISTENCY AND PREDICTIBILITY OUT THE WINDOW.  HOW ONE CALF PRESENTS ITSELF SHOULD HAVE NO BEARING ON WHAT TO EXPECT WITH THE NEXT WHEN GAMBLING W/ THESE TYPE GENETICS- IT WILL ALWAYS BE A CRAPSHOOT.

That's one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.....
 

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I am not a necessarily a paddy fan, but "mongrelized" being used as a term to call a registered Maine (Irish whiskey x habanero) is stupid. What's even dumber is the fact that he claims calf orientation has to do with "mongrelized" genetics....
 

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Quick fire said:
I am not a necessarily a paddy fan, but "mongrelized" being used as a term to call a registered Maine (Irish whiskey x habanero) is stupid. What's even dumber is the fact that he claims calf orientation has to do with "mongrelized" genetics....

The lack of cattle sense exhibited by grown men on this forum is getting old too.  Yet I still endure it for the occasional thankful pm.  Just because an association gives a crossbred bull papers, sure as hell doesn't stabilize, or fix, his genetics.  The breed of  Irish whiskeys MGD isn't even known and you have the audacity to imply, because somehow this bull was issued papers, that his genetics aren't mongrelized ??  Stupid... now that's stupid.  Whats even dumber is that the entire concept of predictably and gene expression through homozygosity and stabilized genetics flies WAY over your head.  I'm not sure what you mean by 'calf orientation' but this bull's mongrelized genetics are the culprit for the variation experienced in the offspring; variation in bw and extreme variation in phenotype. 
 

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Quick fire said:
I bet Firewater is a mongrel too....

No, the Charolais Assoc. requires bulls to be atleast 15/16ths to be considered purebred; females 31/32.  Being that they've been breeding FIXED percentage purebred charolais to each other since mid 60s, Id say the genetics are pretty stabalized.  (clapping)
 

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kndcattle said:
I was just curious if anyone else had this happen to them with Paddy O' Malley calves or anyother bulls.  We had two calves that required a very hard pull.  The calves would have one leg out, then the head would come.  But the other leg would be tucked straight back under him facing his rear end.  This caused a lot of problems getting the calves out.  One cow went about a week early and the other about five days late.  Any thoughts on this topic would be appreciated.  Thanks.

what where the birth weights of the calves?
 

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Thanks.  I will use him on some older Angus based mongrels I have used as recipients.
 

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I had a vet tell me he never had a calf with a leg back that was of respectable size. The club calf calf genetics are cow killers.....not all the time.....just 50%. A dead calf has a distressfully low weaning weight and club calf people have similar iq's.
 
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