Question about photographing cattle

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firesweepranch

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How do people get the great photographs of cattle without a halter on? Are they altered so you do not see the halter, or taken with the halter off? If taken with the halter off, how do you get such good photos with the feet placed just right and the head up and the great backgrounds where it looks like there is no fence?
I have always been curious, and we need to take photos of a few head this weekend to put in a sale catalog for March. I can clip and fit the animal, but getting that great photo just seems to elude me!
Thanks for your help!
 

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Yes, they take the pic with the halter on and the cattle set up, just like in the show ring. Then the photo is edited using a program like photoshop (erases the halter, fix the top line, or any aspect that u want to make more desirable in the pic) good luck!!
 

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Not always. There are a few posts on here, "club calf mommas" and " northern shorthorns" where I guarantee there was no halter in sight. You would need a pen where someone would walk behind and move them slowly, and someone in front getting there attention, ears. It is not a one person job. You may have to make many many rounds, to get them in the place where the background is right and they place their feet in the picture pose. When they are set move around and get a few different angles also.
 

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First let me say--I am definitely NOT a professional!  But I'll share my first experience.  I "hired" a friend who has a good camera and is a good photographer (but had never photo'd cattle).  I needed pics for the TN Beef Agribition sale catalog and the calves were not quite halterbroke yet.  So, that ruled out setting them up on halter.  We brought each one into a small pen (approx. 30' x 60').  She positioned herself in the middle and I attempted to walk them around and get them to stop "set up".  All I can say is that its a good thing digital cameras take lots of pictures quickly!  We did get a few good ones though.  It just seems to come down to getting lucky enough to be taking the shot at the very moment they are standing just right!  My photos do have a panel in the background, but she could have removed it with photoshop.
 

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Great pictures take time and a lot of patience!  Make sure you have good help that has unbelievable cattle sense as far as pressure points and moving them and anticipating what they will do.

Two things we did that payed for themselves the first year in marketing.  We built a 60' round picture pen were the background is right and the hill is perfect.  This way the kids and I can do the pictures with the three of us. Second, get a good camera!  If you have a little point and shoot.  It is pure luck and grace of God if you get a good picture and the shutter actually snaps before they move.  Our old camera almost landed out in the pasture a few times due to disgust.  Most any of the good DSLR's will do the trick if you have a good lens.  Photo Shop Elements is all you will need for basic editing.  Ours cost $60 on sale.

If the cattle aren't completely show broke, shooting them loose is your best bet.

Ron
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tons of TIME And pictures...  and a good helper-- or better yet.. a good dog-- really help speed things up...

In my experience- a shit eater, will take about 5 snaps to get a GREAT picture-- but the truly GREAT ones-- will take thousands just to get a good enough picture- let alone a picture that shows their superiority.
 

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firesweepranch said:
How do people get the great photographs of cattle without a halter on?

One word: planning.

Just a few points to consider are....
1. Background: You need to be conscious of your background and aim to take photos in a space where there is no clutter in the background, no random posts poking out of backs or bellies.
2. Lighting: there are certain times of day, and kinds of weather, that are ideal for taking photos. Generally first thing in the morning, after the sun has come up, and last thing in the afternoon, before the sun goes down, are the easiest because you can position yourself and the animal without shadows the easiest. An overcast kind of day is also good for taking photos, provided you have a good flash.
3. Assistance: it's possible to get good photos by yourself, but it makes it much easier if you have some help to get their ears forward, and also to get those feet just right. You need to make sure your help is a cattle person though... getting an animal to move one foot an inch forwards or backwards can be difficult without a halter and takes a certain knack and cow sense. Also someone to do the same from behind can be useful.
4. TIME: don't ever set yourself a time to get them photographed. They're animals, and they're not going to co-operate. Also, don't hang around waiting for the perfect shot... take a few when they're nearly there so you at least have a back-up. And if it's not going to happen today, go away and come back tomorrow.

A few people have mentioned putting cattle in a smaller pen. While this works, and I do this when I'm taking sale pics, I've always found my best photos have been out in the paddock, waiting for the animal to stand up naturally. Nothing beats this shot, but it takes time, patience and a half-handy eye. Given a choice, this is the way I prefer to photograph cattle.

Can I also say that, I don't photoshop my pictures. The only work I do to them is to crop them so the frame is even on each pic, and I have also lightened the pics in the past if it's been a particularly ordinary day for picturing. Snow can also be a real b!tch to work with! (But that could just be my lack of experience with the stuff!) I disagree with photoshopping an animal ie. topline, underline, legs, feet, brisket etc. I feel this is false advertising if you need to go to this extent (my only exception is to remove the halter, but as I said, I prefer to picture them without it anyway). With my pictures, what you see is what you get.
 

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I've done it both ways, but the picture pen gets taken down in winter. I dont have alot of options for a good location so photoshop becomes a must. My editing software came with a scanner I purchased 10 years ago but has performed great. If you want a photo to be crisp and clear, a SLR is they way to go, have used a point and shoot for years and got along fine, but now have upgraded. This isnt exactly my best work and quite possibly the worst backround to use. First time on a halter and no other help, you run out of good options, and the picture runs as a black and white in a sale book so my muddled up backround is less noticeable.

good help, a nice open backround, and time. have had calves in the pen for 2 minutes, and some for an hour. Sometimes it just doesnt work out either.
 

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thunderdownunder said:
firesweepranch said:
How do people get the great photographs of cattle without a halter on?

One word: planning.

Just a few points to consider are....
1. Background: You need to be conscious of your background and aim to take photos in a space where there is no clutter in the background, no random posts poking out of backs or bellies.
2. Lighting: there are certain times of day, and kinds of weather, that are ideal for taking photos. Generally first thing in the morning, after the sun has come up, and last thing in the afternoon, before the sun goes down, are the easiest because you can position yourself and the animal without shadows the easiest. An overcast kind of day is also good for taking photos, provided you have a good flash.
3. Assistance: it's possible to get good photos by yourself, but it makes it much easier if you have some help to get their ears forward, and also to get those feet just right. You need to make sure your help is a cattle person though... getting an animal to move one foot an inch forwards or backwards can be difficult without a halter and takes a certain knack and cow sense. Also someone to do the same from behind can be useful.
4. TIME: don't ever set yourself a time to get them photographed. They're animals, and they're not going to co-operate. Also, don't hang around waiting for the perfect shot... take a few when they're nearly there so you at least have a back-up. And if it's not going to happen today, go away and come back tomorrow.

A few people have mentioned putting cattle in a smaller pen. While this works, and I do this when I'm taking sale pics, I've always found my best photos have been out in the paddock, waiting for the animal to stand up naturally. Nothing beats this shot, but it takes time, patience and a half-handy eye. Given a choice, this is the way I prefer to photograph cattle.

Can I also say that, I don't photoshop my pictures. The only work I do to them is to crop them so the frame is even on each pic, and I have also lightened the pics in the past if it's been a particularly ordinary day for picturing. Snow can also be a real b!tch to work with! (But that could just be my lack of experience with the stuff!) I disagree with photoshopping an animal ie. topline, underline, legs, feet, brisket etc. I feel this is false advertising if you need to go to this extent (my only exception is to remove the halter, but as I said, I prefer to picture them without it anyway). With my pictures, what you see is what you get.


Preach On!...

This post is how you do it. Read it again.
 

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thunderdownunder said:
firesweepranch said:
How do people get the great photographs of cattle without a halter on?

One word: planning.

Just a few points to consider are....
1. Background: You need to be conscious of your background and aim to take photos in a space where there is no clutter in the background, no random posts poking out of backs or bellies.
2. Lighting: there are certain times of day, and kinds of weather, that are ideal for taking photos. Generally first thing in the morning, after the sun has come up, and last thing in the afternoon, before the sun goes down, are the easiest because you can position yourself and the animal without shadows the easiest. An overcast kind of day is also good for taking photos, provided you have a good flash.
3. Assistance: it's possible to get good photos by yourself, but it makes it much easier if you have some help to get their ears forward, and also to get those feet just right. You need to make sure your help is a cattle person though... getting an animal to move one foot an inch forwards or backwards can be difficult without a halter and takes a certain knack and cow sense. Also someone to do the same from behind can be useful.
4. TIME: don't ever set yourself a time to get them photographed. They're animals, and they're not going to co-operate. Also, don't hang around waiting for the perfect shot... take a few when they're nearly there so you at least have a back-up. And if it's not going to happen today, go away and come back tomorrow.

A few people have mentioned putting cattle in a smaller pen. While this works, and I do this when I'm taking sale pics, I've always found my best photos have been out in the paddock, waiting for the animal to stand up naturally. Nothing beats this shot, but it takes time, patience and a half-handy eye. Given a choice, this is the way I prefer to photograph cattle.

Can I also say that, I don't photoshop my pictures. The only work I do to them is to crop them so the frame is even on each pic, and I have also lightened the pics in the past if it's been a particularly ordinary day for picturing. Snow can also be a real b!tch to work with! (But that could just be my lack of experience with the stuff!) I disagree with photoshopping an animal ie. topline, underline, legs, feet, brisket etc. I feel this is false advertising if you need to go to this extent (my only exception is to remove the halter, but as I said, I prefer to picture them without it anyway). With my pictures, what you see is what you get.

Yes, i agree with you but unfortunately, i feel many promo bulls pics are photoshopped to get the perfect look IMO. Ive never used photoshop myself but i know some people that do.  Also, i was just answering the original posters questions of how some great pics get taken without a halter. Im sure ur method is just as effective or even better. thanks for ur input
 

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I sure agree with about everything Thunder says,very helpful if not done it before....  It really helps to have someone running the camera that knows cattle, shows cattle , and knows what kind of picture of the animal looks good... I'd lot rather have and eperienced cattlemen or women run the camera
that knows very little about the camera ...You need the eye to take a good picture then the camera guy can do the rest usually ...Would rather take a picture without the halter, so much more natural ,hard to find people with enough patience to help you place them ..I swear some ofthe cattle are right handed and some left handed as far as a pose ....Give cattle plenty of time to get use to  spot taking the picture ....That natural head position up in the air  usually comes if there is some kind of natural noise like a carpenter hammering a distance in front of them or telephone ringing or someone slamming there car door ....I'M no professional but enjoy doing it  an working with the cattle  but you need to not  have a  SHORT FUSE AND A LOT OF PATIENCE ...
 

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TDU that was great. I hired someone who does it professional. two different folks so far. The cameras these days they have are the bomb. It just takes time. I know when we took the picture of Complete in JTM's avatar the first thing I said was no photoshopping. It was a beautiful sunny fall day. The sun was at our backs, the grass was still green and the color of the leaves in the back all made for a great backround. That was a million dollar picture IMO. BJ Eick took it and I chased that bull around for a long time. Luckily Im still in shape enough to play dog. it was kinda fun. 329's picture was taken by Quinten Keernan, he did a great job too. Both took lots and lots of pictures. If your just out of the frame and you beller like another bull would, they perk right up and start getting pretty for the camera. Knowing the pressure points to just get em to move a little bit is the key. Practice makes perfect.

 

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Thanks everyone! I am now armed and ready! We are planning on doing photos on Saturday, with clipping the cattle Friday. I have a four day weekend, and photos are due Sunday so nothing like working under pressure! We are gonna try both on the halter and off, since all three are halter broke. I do not have "photo shopping" software nor an expensive camera, so I am sure they will not be super, but hopefully honest enough to show the quality of the cattle we are putting in.
Thanks again for all the help.
 

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firesweepranch said:
Thanks everyone! I am now armed and ready! We are planning on doing photos on Saturday, with clipping the cattle Friday. I have a four day weekend, and photos are due Sunday so nothing like working under pressure! We are gonna try both on the halter and off, since all three are halter broke. I do not have "photo shopping" software nor an expensive camera, so I am sure they will not be super, but hopefully honest enough to show the quality of the cattle we are putting in.
Thanks again for all the help.

good luck.. sure u will get good enough pics to display ur cattle in an honest fashion.
 

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firesweepranch said:
Thanks everyone! I am now armed and ready! We are planning on doing photos on Saturday, with clipping the cattle Friday. I have a four day weekend, and photos are due Sunday so nothing like working under pressure! We are gonna try both on the halter and off, since all three are halter broke. I do not have "photo shopping" software nor an expensive camera, so I am sure they will not be super, but hopefully honest enough to show the quality of the cattle we are putting in.
Thanks again for all the help.
Don't forget to post them on here as well. I am sure you will get some feed back.  (lol)
 

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I will definitely say that the quickest way is to use a halter with a person setting the feet and then you use a photoshop or lightroom program and it takes the halter and anything out of the photo you want. My wife is a photographer and we use lightroom and could touch a photo up real easy to take a halter out of the photo. I would say say most professional cattle photos are done using photo software such as photoshop or lightroom even if the they are not setting up the cattle with a halter.
 

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personally, I think a good border collie still ranks better than any human who's ever helped me out while taking pictures...

When I take most of my pictures that I'm actually wanting good pictures (instead of just walking around snaping pictures)-- I hardly ever move... I can use the dog to parade that animal in front of me back and forth-- time after time... 

Another thing I really like about the dog- is getting that animal to pose-- or move slightly with her (dog) lie down, or move up. 

one last thing about pictures- I believe taking that picture of a very slight incline- just enough to be uphill walking-- is the best option.
 
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