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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2010, 06:45:13 AM »
Christ......were back to blaming nutrition again. OH breeder is asking the right questions in his post. Once you have big birth weights in the cow pedigree it will always pop up to bite you. jmo
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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2010, 10:37:11 AM »
What will his son's average at Schaffs next week , quite a catalog ...
I heard it took 103 lots before they sold one under 10K. And Bismark is hot right now. And at the Schaff place,well.... the sky is the limit. What a great program that is turning out some very high quality cattle.
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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2010, 11:23:18 AM »
The Angus breeders are all doing that bigbirth X little birth , same way with Frame , I went through ths with the Charolais an it  has took a long time to get it predictable again.    But every one was trying to keep the big growth, an really an I'm using Bismarck to , the Angus are a not very thought out crossbred program any way.... I've decided that if it isn't going to change you might as well join it, but there will be some unexpected things that pop up that we will have to deal with, just like this inconsistency of birth weight , an also THE epd's will fail you quite often ..   Has any one had problems with scurs or horns , especially on horned cows, there out there , some of these potent Angus donors are having problems being flushed to Meyer 734,coming up with horns or scurs ...I even cleaned up with a horn bull on some of my reg. Angus trying to see how much of a problem it is ....
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2010, 12:59:09 PM »
The Angus breeders are all doing that bigbirth X little birth , same way with Frame , I went through ths with the Charolais an it  has took a long time to get it predictable again.    But every one was trying to keep the big growth, an really an I'm using Bismarck to , the Angus are a not very thought out crossbred program any way.... I've decided that if it isn't going to change you might as well join it, but there will be some unexpected things that pop up that we will have to deal with, just like this inconsistency of birth weight , an also THE epd's will fail you quite often ..   Has any one had problems with scurs or horns , especially on horned cows, there out there , some of these potent Angus donors are having problems being flushed to Meyer 734,coming up with horns or scurs ...I even cleaned up with a horn bull on some of my reg. Angus trying to see how much of a problem it is ....

Ya know....there is alot of truth to the bigbirth x little birth.  I think Bismark is a pretty consistent calving ease sire, but his daddy isn't.  In fact Grid Maker calves could be quite large!
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« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2010, 04:03:51 PM »
exactly, grid makers are good sized. just because a bull is born 80 lbs doesnt mean he is calving ease. The other thing is when bismarck first came out he was minus on birthweight now he is up to 1.3. schaff has him at .1 though.

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« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2010, 05:03:08 PM »
exactly, grid makers are good sized. just because a bull is born 80 lbs doesnt mean he is calving ease. The other thing is when bismarck first came out he was minus on birthweight now he is up to 1.3. schaff has him at .1 though.

Schaff has him at .1 on BW because that's what he is with the association, with a .91 ACC. I know he is a Grid Maker son and Grid Maker is not a calving ease bull but Bismarck has apparently proven his calving ease somewhere. I've only had one and it was a 68 pound bull calf. Hoping for more results like that on first calf heifers. Also had 14 Final Answer calves in the 65-80 pound range with one bull calf weighing 95 pounds, heifer had it on her own and I wouldn't hesitate to breed heifers to FA just because of that one calf.

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2010, 06:41:49 PM »
I have a Bismarck due here in a few days to a heifer so can comment more first hand later, but Bismarck is certainly a calving ease bull.  Lots of progeny and high proof, but certainly based on the cows pedigrees an occasional big one can pop up.  While they may not seem all that impressive as baby calves, they say they get better as they mature.  Our friends at Kramer Angus in IL are selling an awesome son in March, pictured below.  Cool look and think he scanned like a 17" ribeye.  His dam is by Boyd New Day, and is a full sister to my uncle's herdbull that has certainly been calving ease as well.  Feel free to PM me if you'd like more info on this bull, or a contact number!   <beer>
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« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2010, 07:14:28 AM »
I had posted that my heifer looked like she was going to pop anytime. She was acting a little weird and I took her to the vet, the baby is backwards and he thinks pretty big. I go back Monday to check her again and decide to induce her or to do a c-section...hoping for the best!

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« Reply #23 on: February 16, 2010, 01:40:41 PM »
The vet did a c section last night on my heifer and it was a boy weighing about 90lbs. He tried to pull her and couldn't get the calf out so did the c-section. To make it worse, the calf was backwards. They are both doing good now.

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« Reply #24 on: February 16, 2010, 02:12:21 PM »
in the last 3 days we had 6 bismarks, all look good and the birth has been between 72-80lbs on first calf heifers
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Re: SAV BISMARK
« Reply #25 on: February 23, 2010, 10:00:03 PM »
heard a rumor that Bismark died....I hope that is not true.  does anyone know?

 

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