Senate expected to pass debt plan, end crisis Tuesday

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Okotoks

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I don't really understand why this has dragged out so long. It's headline news in Canada, since if the US sneezes we usually catch a cold. It just seems if they borrowed the money they should make sure they repay it! Also if they default the credit rating drops and that means the cost of borrowing goes up, which kind of costs a lot more in the long term.
The amounts they are talking are mind boggling, is it not possible to make cuts all across the board to reduce spending thus borrowing? 
 

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Accross the board cuts would be very difficult for our leaders to approve.  If they do not continue creating the illusion that they are giving us something for nothing, they run the risk of losing their phony baloney jobs.  Was it Jefferson that said a Democracy works only until the people figure out they can vote themselves free stuff? (loose translation, but you get the idea)  What a deal!  I'll give you "free" stuff in exchange for your vote so I can stay on the gravy train. 
 

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OLD WORLD SHORTIE said:
  Looks like we need to switch this one out for the WORLD"S MOST BEAUTIFULLLL COW in Quebec she could probally fill all those buckets. 
Sooner or later were going to have to make drastic cuts, hopefully sooner than later.  Although it would be a miracle if congress agreed on enough stuff to make any drastic cuts.  It seems everyone knows were in a deep hole, but for some reason we are still digging.  Too much waste, too much entitilement,  and unecessary programs, not enough common sense. 
 

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I'll bite...This entire situation irritates me a great deal. The numbers are as you have said, mind boggling. In the month of August the US Government will receive somewhere around 170 billion dollars in tax revenue, they are budgeted to spend over 300 billion. Our government borrows 4 billion dollars a day, A DAY!!! The day is soon approaching when we will no longer be able to borrow money, or at the very least the interest on the Government bonds that China and other countries have been buying will cost us more than Federal Defense, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, everything.

The piece of "legislature" (if you want to call it that) that the president will sign today does nothing to fix the problem. Under this new law our deficit, which is over 14 trilion dollars right now, will grow by 7 trillion in the next decade.

We need serious reform to the entitlement programs. We need to put a cap on unemployment. We need to make it mandatory to pass a drug test prior to receiving government assistence of any kind. We need to control illegal immigration. We need tax reform (47% of the American population do not pay any taxes because their income is so low.) We need change and I obviously do not mean that to be an obama campaign pledge.
 

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Redwine Brothers Cattle said:
I'll bite...This entire situation irritates me a great deal. The numbers are as you have said, mind boggling. In the month of August the US Government will receive somewhere around 170 billion dollars in tax revenue, they are budgeted to spend over 300 billion. Our government borrows 4 billion dollars a day, A DAY!!! The day is soon approaching when we will no longer be able to borrow moneyThe piece of "legislature" (if you want to call it that) that the president will sign today does nothing to fix the problem. Under this new law our deficit, which is over 14 trilion dollars right now, will grow by 7 trillion in the next decade.

We need serious reform to the entitlement programs. We need to put a cap on unemployment. We need to make it mandatory to pass a drug test prior to receiving government assistence of any kind. We need to control illegal immigration. We need tax reform (47% of the American population do not pay any taxes because their income is so low.) We need change and I obviously do not mean that to be an obama campaign pledge.


I agree 100% and I won't start rambling about how frustrating the entire government is but they lack any common sense what so ever> I could go on and on but there needs to be a drastic change or else my son who is 1 is going to be living in a lot worse off country than I have lived in.  This supposed bill does absolutely nothing, and the american public needs to learn what baseline budgeting is and why it has gotten us into this mess......... God Bless Our Troops <hero>
 

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The crisis didn't end today.  As a few of the other posters have mentioned, we need some pretty big cuts in spending and increased tax revenues.  The impact that the combination of those things will have on our economy will determine if the crisis is over.  One side wants to argue cuts in spending and the other wants to argue an increase in tax revenue by taxing the rich.  The most troubling part to me in ALL of this is our inability to compromise in politics.  It seems to be getting worse with every issue.  I don't have any good solution on how to fix it, but to say it concerns me probably really minimizes how I feel about it.  This issue in no way shape or form should have come down to the final minutes.  This didn't creep up on anyone!  It's been discussed the entire year.

It's too bad that our financial issues have to be broadcast all over the world - not so much because it's not news but more so because it makes our system of government look like the disaster that it's fastly becoming.  Politicians in the House and Senate argue over some of these issues like a couple of kindergartners fighting over their spot in the lunch line.  Frankly, I'm sick of that more than anything.  It's sickening to watch the news anymore because that's about all you see.
 

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It is a disgrace with all of them ,but we put them in there an the onlty cure is to get them out,,it might be to late NOW ....

we haft to laugh some how...WE had REGEAN  THIRTY YEARS AGO ALONG with Johnny CASH an Bob HOPE  .....
NOW WE have OBAMA with  no CASH  an no hope .........
 

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I wonder how much could be saved (not cut) by eliminating fraud, and removing the redundancy in existing programs. Then we makes the cuts.
 

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vc said:
I wonder how much could be saved (not cut) by eliminating fraud, and removing the redundancy in existing programs. Then we makes the cuts.

Not only this, but what about having Medicaid and Medicare negotiate drug prices.  That's a big problem and most people don't realize that these programs have to pay whatever the drug companies want them to.  As opposed to the VA who actually bargains for the costs of its meds.
 

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This isn't the politician's fault, it's ours.  The reason it doesn't change is because we don't want it to - and I do mean you and me.  The costs associated with Medicare and Social Security dwarf every single other item we spend money on - because we all get it (us or our parents or our grandparents).  And none of us pay in nearly enough to cover it.  And it will only get worse.

Are you willing to shorten your parent's lives because you won't take them to the doctor/hospital if they or you can't personally pay for their medical bills when they are in their 70s and 80s.  It's that simple.  Otherwise, we keep doing what we're doing.

Stop and think about it, how many of us will die before we spend $500,000 to $1 million + on medical care?  You don't have to have much go wrong with you to run up a hospital bill of several hundred thousand.  How many people will run up more in medical bills than they will ever make in salary?  A lot......

How much of people's social security checks go toward paying for medical costs that medicare doesn't cover?

We could cut out all foreign aid, all military spending, all subsidies, all stupid scientific studies, etc and it still won't make a difference till we address the issue of the true cost of much longer lives after retirement. 

The elephant in the closet is that retirement is probably a fatally flawed concept.  The costs of medical care and pensions are breaking most countries.  If you stop and think about it, the idea of retirement is less than 100 years old and we all think of it as a God-given right.

My bet is that in 20-50 years our families will look a lot more like they did 75 years ago - parents living with their kids and people having to take care of themselves.

Federal politicians have to spend a lot more money to get to and be in Washington than they ever make.  Some are power hungry, but few do it for the money.  The majority are smart people who don't lack in common sense.  Everyone thinks they could do someone else's job better, but nobody thinks someone else could outperform yourself in your own job. 

This is a real big mess with no easy answers.  If people could recognize that it would make it much easier to put aside partisan politics.  But the real answers are in our own homes, not in Washington.
 

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farmin female said:
Not only this, but what about having Medicaid and Medicare negotiate drug prices.  That's a big problem and most people don't realize that these programs have to pay whatever the drug companies want them to.  As opposed to the VA who actually bargains for the costs of its meds.

not true.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA550MedicareDrugPrices.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/73/allow-medicare-to-negotiate-for-cheaper-drug-price/

the drug industry agreed to other provisions in negotiations with the White House. These include paying billions of dollars annually in new fees beginning in 2012, and providing a 50 percent discount on prescriptions filled through the Medicare Part D coverage gap beginning in 2011.

i guess a 50% cut in pricing isn't enough.  it should be free?

the talking point is to demonize rather than have facts.

these ad hominem attacks really are rather boring.  however, if enough people believe them, prices will go up.

keep repeating the lie.

for whatever reason, people continually want two sets of rules, always at a higher cost for others and a lower cost for themselves, redistributing reward.

people  for some reason can not resist the flame that will burn them in the form of centralized planning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4SDhrTPOiI&feature=related

money for nothing is the wave of the future.  i guess we have to get used to it.
 

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so, prices should go down for drugs, how about regulations and the cost of their compliance?

this is really how the government creates jobs.  the government is busy driving small farmers out of business in CA by mandating E. coli testing because people eat out of date spinach, don't cook hamburger and don't wash their hands after going to the bathroom.  they created jobs by mandating fences around farms to keep the pigs out but won't eradicate the pigs unless it's in a park with fences.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=En1z2FbxoXc

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunting/pig/regulation.html

no license should be required.  what a waste of bureaucracy.
 

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Ron Paul introduced a bill to cancel $1.6 trillion in debt held by the Federal Reserve. I say cancel $11 trillion in debt .The other $3 trillion is what has been borrowed from other countries and should be paid back.
 

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chambero said:
This isn't the politician's fault, it's ours.  The reason it doesn't change is because we don't want it to - and I do mean you and me.  The costs associated with Medicare and Social Security dwarf every single other item we spend money on - because we all get it (us or our parents or our grandparents).  And none of us pay in nearly enough to cover it.  And it will only get worse.

Are you willing to shorten your parent's lives because you won't take them to the doctor/hospital if they or you can't personally pay for their medical bills when they are in their 70s and 80s.  It's that simple.  Otherwise, we keep doing what we're doing.

Stop and think about it, how many of us will die before we spend $500,000 to $1 million + on medical care?  You don't have to have much go wrong with you to run up a hospital bill of several hundred thousand.  How many people will run up more in medical bills than they will ever make in salary?  A lot......

How much of people's social security checks go toward paying for medical costs that medicare doesn't cover?

We could cut out all foreign aid, all military spending, all subsidies, all stupid scientific studies, etc and it still won't make a difference till we address the issue of the true cost of much longer lives after retirement.  

The elephant in the closet is that retirement is probably a fatally flawed concept.  The costs of medical care and pensions are breaking most countries.  If you stop and think about it, the idea of retirement is less than 100 years old and we all think of it as a God-given right.

My bet is that in 20-50 years our families will look a lot more like they did 75 years ago - parents living with their kids and people having to take care of themselves.

Federal politicians have to spend a lot more money to get to and be in Washington than they ever make.  Some are power hungry, but few do it for the money.  The majority are smart people who don't lack in common sense.  Everyone thinks they could do someone else's job better, but nobody thinks someone else could outperform yourself in your own job.  

This is a real big mess with no easy answers.  If people could recognize that it would make it much easier to put aside partisan politics.  But the real answers are in our own homes, not in Washington.

Social Security is solvent. It was originally set up as a "pay as you go" system, where current workers pay a percentage of their income to social security to pay for the current retirees. In 1938 they set up a "trust fund" to basically put away excess money in an account to cover the baby boomers that will be retirement age soon. That "trust fund" is nothing more that a bunch of file cabinets full of government bonds. Reagan started the "borrowing" of the social security "trust fund," where in times that social security had a surplus, they would borrow money to pay other parts of the budget. They don't expect social security to be "upside down" until 2036, some projections say 2041.

I agree that Medicare and Medicaid, as the chart shows, do make up a large percentage of what the federal budget consists of. I disagree that they are the biggest problems. These entitlement programs most definitely need reform. Medicaid the the biggest joke that I have had personal dealings with. The froud that surrounds that program would sicken you.

I don't know about you, but I am forced to live within my means. The problem with our current deficit isn't because I haven't paid my taxes, it's not because I don't pay my share of social security every two weeks. The problem is in Washington. Our government has gotten to big, plain and simple. If you read the founding fathers outline for the government and the branches of government, the idea that they had for the United States of America, it is nothing like the politicians have created the past few decades. The states have NO power, according to Thomas Jefferson, the states is where the power should lie. The United States Government spent 20 million dollars educating Chinese prostitutes in the country of China the dangers of alcoholism. Explain to me how that is my fault? We need to downsize the national government. We need to eliminate wasteful spending. A couple weeks ago when the country of Pakistan was doing what they also do, we cut off all money being sent to them for aide. After a week, I heard a report that said Pakistan is getting close to withdrawing their demands now that they have lost billions in UNITED STATES MONEY because we quit sending it to them. When will we quit trying to buy countries support with money we don't have. I'm tired of it, i'm fed up. We are in a budget crisis, we need new road all across America. We are in a drought, Send us billions of dollars because we are losing our livelihoods. When I left for college, and at other times throughout my life my dad has told me something that has stuck with me, "Take Care of You." The United States Government needs to "Take Care of You."
 
 

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there is little or NO need for the below departments and eliminated or cut without even trying.  go after fraud, illegal immigration, fix legal immigration which isn't really broke as somehow 750,000 seem to immigrate each year.  give congress the same options the private sector has for benefits (ie NOT lifetime) go after some waste and the budget shouldn't be a problem.  also, sell at least 50% of the federal land west of the continental divide to generate tax revenue and reduce the federal employees that manage that land.

department of housing and urban development.
department of education
corporation for national service
most of the department of energy
most of the department of commerce
most of the EPA
half of the department of agriculture
75% of most grants other than research
half of health and human services
 

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Perhaps most of the country would agree with you about eliminating all or at least some of the departments you have listed.  However, the chances of any politician championing your cause are zero.  For example, anyone introducing legislation to even investigate fraud in the department of housing and urban development, let alone eliminating it, would quickly be branded as a racist.  Listen to Barney Frank if you don't believe me.  If a senator discussed a mere downsizing of the department of education, he or she would be chastized for being "anti children."  If I wanted to get rid of the EPA, I would immediately be labeled as a big business polluter.  In any instance, the legislator introducing such action would be ousted in the next election, hence the problem never goes away.  Those in government WANT us to rely on them.  Unfortunately, too many do already.  And they multiply.  Dave Ramsey promotes self reliance and Harry Reid/Nancy Pelosi promote government reliance.  Who has access to the biggest TV audience?  Which is easier to do?  Sit on your butt and live on welfare or get off your duff and make something of yourself?  Most of us were instilled with a sense of responsibility, the responsibility to contribute to the well being of ourselves and others around us.  Too bad after several generations of entitlements that sense wears off. 
 

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