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That cow family is AMAZING!!! Our top two cows are out of a Touche cow out of the same herd as Carly.  We're breeding the Sonny x Touche to a Solution x Mona Lisa 34P son this year....pretty excited for that!

I am not trying to put on a witch hunt here. I got no horse in this race. it does me no good to come on here as a newbie and run my mouth for no reason. Hard questions are a important part of growth and understanding. I got NO problem talking face to face with anybody about any of this. I have raised enough of these cattle from start to finish to know what has worked for me and what has not. I am not going to waste that guys time or mine with a conversation that really don't matter.  When you make it to the top of the heap in any business people will always question what you are doing and how you are doing it. Get some thick skin. I am a big boy, you can take shots at me, I can take it. I'm not here trying to offend anyone just trying to stir up some healthy debate. If you have a story of how they have worked for you, I would love to here it. I was not questioning how he runs his cows n a bad way. I am honestly curious how his cattle have worked out for the buyers? Have they been effiecent for you? Have they produced like you wanted? Just honest questions. Beleive me, 5- 6 years ago, there was no bigger believer in these lines. But over time they have finished far below some other lines. JMO. This is my last post so I won't bother anybody again. Good luck with all your cattle ventures steer planet. May your grass be green and the sunshine on your face. <beer>

Mine have performed fine for me; I have bought three from him.

I have purchased two Salute heifers from Sullivans in the past year. Both have  been wintered on nothing but good hay and they are in immaculate condition. The bred heifer I purchased calved in early March unassisted and is doing a great job raising her heifer calf. I would say she  is in excellent shape and I could not be more pleased with how she is performing. My cattle from all bloodlines are all raised together, and they sort themselves out very quickly as to their fleshing ability and their ability to convert forage into meat and milk. Until I see evidence that these cattle are not going to work, I am not going to make a blanket statement that they wont work in my very commercially oriented herd. I have NOT seen this.

I am sure there are lots of cattle from some of these bloodlines that wont work in my environment, but I could probably find a bunch from almost any bloodline that are similar.

Trevor....I like the 7026 line of cattle.  I would agree with you on a couple deals. I think the great herds in breeds that have lasted along time. The Beckton herd in the Red Angus breed is a breeding program. They essentially formed a new breed. They linebreed their brains out. They used set selection standards and culled things that didn't work. I think the Hubs shorthorn herd was great because they had a set of cattle that the industry needed at a specific time. They had their prefix on their cattle 5 generations on cattle they had a plan and they had a breeding program. I think steve still selects cattle the same way and they aren't nessecarily real popular today. However they are cattle breeders  and not cattle traders. I always like to look at showring cattle and look at prefixes. They usually go back one generation. With the ease of embryo transfer it is a little different deal out there also. How cool is the Beckton program in testing for genetic defects. By their linebreeding they can test for problems. Very few herds can do that. I guess people like Sneed and others are my heros. Look at Cates cattle. Their prefix goes back eons in the pedigrees. I do think the showring deal is a more of a cattle trader deal than a cattle breeder deal in general cause it's aa cutthroat deal to win. And in my opinion they are always chasing fads. I think it is interesting to look at Ohlde's cattle. Take the good ones and duplicate the genetic lines. He didn't chase chase the frame that the showring demanded in the 80's and what not. He decided on a type and a set of standards and stuck to them. Now the industry has swung back around to him and his cattle are selling like hotcakes. I do think it is cool when breeders don't join the "bull of the month" club. Look at the L1 herfords that were developed. They were a linebred cattle selected for certain parameters of growth performance. They didn't follow fads. They had a closed herd that made measurable progress over a period of years. I personally think the showring tends to screw breeds up but that is my opinion. This is a showring site. History of breeds is fascinating to me when you step back and look at them over a 10 or 20 year period. jmo

aj-great post (thumbsup)

I am going to try and stay out of trouble. ;D

Good job, AJ!!  Like the positve comments and I'm impressed with your knowledge of the different cattle lines!!  Very good points!!

Didn't mean to harp at anyone in my earlier post, but I guess my philosophy is that if we talk more about the positive attributes of things on SP(publicly) and keep our criticism to  a more private format(PMs) we'll all be better off.  Don't worry, if there is an undesirable trait in a certain line of cattle, etc. it becomes very well known, very fast.JMHO

TGCC and AJ, I appreciate the information you've shared with us.  Keep it up!!

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sue said:

Ok I know that SULL is not pasture type cattle but if you were going to use one of those bulls on a PASTURE TYPE COW which one would you use??? 

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Sue , Look at SMF Solution. He's not a SULL bull , but he is a Solution son & out of a heck of a cow.

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Doc - my nephew is old enough to show. We just sold a flush out of his cow and I would use one straw of a show bull and kick her out with Captain. My probelm with most of the show bulls are the males are too tall for steers and I am not selling this mating as a bull. I will look at your idea and to be honest I like the looks of Rock and Roll train of Abertees??  If my nephew gets a heifer we show it and sell as a bred.  
I did just see 4  CF Solution calves .....  ???

AJ, I appreciate your post