Weston Trademark 3rd "Fillet" sons

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GAL

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Took a few pictures today of some of the bulls in the pen.  I thought I should post a couple pictures of standout bulls that a ET flushmates out of Weston Trademark 3rd "Fillet".  The cow is a Haumont cow. So they are appendix free.
 

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Nice pictures.  Details please  bw, ww  and have u ultrasounded?
 

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They look good!  Could you provide their registration #?  Do you have a picture of the dam? 
 

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The red bull Z31      DOB 3/23/12  BW 79    WW 605    Reg. # 4184918
The White bull Z17  DOB 3/17/12  BW 83    WW 655    Reg. # 4184836
Sorry no ultrasound data

A picture of their dam can be seen at www.dmhoffroggecattle.com  She is the Maid of Promise H 189th female.

Also have 2 other maternal sibs in the pen, one is out of Weston Surprise 14th and the other is by Clipper King of USA.
 

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Can you picture the other two bulls?  Dennis showed me calf pictures of the Cliiper King son.
 

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Nice bulls!  I really like the direction you seem to be going in. I don't know "Dennis" w/ dmh but from what I see, I'm liking his direction as well.  Really like the front end on that white bull. Nice and masculine.
 

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Here are the other two bulls that are maternal sibs to the Fillet bulls.
Z20 sired by Clipper King of USA      DOB 3/20/12  BW 91  WW 620  Reg. # 4185114
Z32 sired by Weston Surprise 14th  DOB 3/23/12  BW 74  WW 610  Reg. # 4184917
 

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Z20 looks very good as well!  You must be extremely excited with the quality of your cattle.
 

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I am referring to Dennis Hoffrogge from DMH near Sleepy Eye, MN.  The Clipper King sure is a tank.  That Surprise bull may not have as much to him, but he profiles well and might even have some appeal to the show ring guys.  I suggest you get them ultrasounded, so you can get some carcass data on them.
 

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Maid Of Promise H 189th

you all have a nice website and looks like some very interesting genetics. (thumbsup)
 

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-XBAR- said:
OH Breeder said:
Love this cow and her son....
HHFS Impossible Dream

me too! She's the dam of Y lazy Y's Easy bull.
 How's that possible that you like him -- his girth and length are almost the same.  And at 85" length he would have to be considered extremely long sided by anyone's definition.

But I agree he is a really good looking bull -- even if he sires calves that are long bodied! <cowboy>
 

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JoeBnTN said:
-XBAR- said:
OH Breeder said:
Love this cow and her son....
HHFS Impossible Dream

me too! She's the dam of Y lazy Y's Easy bull.
 How's that possible that you like him -- his girth and length are almost the same.  And at 85" length he would have to be considered extremely long sided by anyone's definition.

But I agree he is a really good looking bull -- even if he sires calves that are long bodied! <cowboy>

Who are you talking about? Surely you're not talking about Coalpit Creek Leader? He closer to being short coupled than long sided. He does have a pretty long hip though. 

 

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-XBAR- said:
JoeBnTN said:
-XBAR- said:
OH Breeder said:
Love this cow and her son....
HHFS Impossible Dream

me too! She's the dam of Y lazy Y's Easy bull.
 How's that possible that you like him -- his girth and length are almost the same.  And at 85" length he would have to be considered extremely long sided by anyone's definition.

But I agree he is a really good looking bull -- even if he sires calves that are long bodied! <cowboy>

Who are you talking about? Surely you're not talking about Coalpit Creek Leader? He closer to being short coupled than long sided. He does have a pretty long hip though.  
That's the bull.  I've never seen him but according to Ralph's website, he's 85" down his top line.  If he's that long then yes he would be long spined in any breed.  And if you use the traditional measurement for length (point of shoulder to pin bone, from several of his pics he looks like he has plenty of lenght (although there's 1-2 where he looks short).  For me, the best expression of length is in the offspring and there are a couple of red heifers and a red bull/steer that look to be plenty long sided -- not excessive but certainly longer than average and for me proportioned correctly with the rest of their scale.
 

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JoeBnTN said:
-XBAR- said:
JoeBnTN said:
-XBAR- said:
OH Breeder said:
Love this cow and her son....
HHFS Impossible Dream

me too! She's the dam of Y lazy Y's Easy bull.
 How's that possible that you like him -- his girth and length are almost the same.  And at 85" length he would have to be considered extremely long sided by anyone's definition.

But I agree he is a really good looking bull -- even if he sires calves that are long bodied! <cowboy>

Who are you talking about? Surely you're not talking about Coalpit Creek Leader? He closer to being short coupled than long sided. He does have a pretty long hip though.  
That's the bull.  I've never seen him but according to Ralph's website, he's 85" down his top line.  If he's that long then yes he would be long spined in any breed.  And if you use the traditional measurement for length (point of shoulder to pin bone, from several of his pics he looks like he has plenty of lenght (although there's 1-2 where he looks short).  For me, the best expression of length is in the offspring and there are a couple of red heifers and a red bull/steer that look to be plenty long sided -- not excessive but certainly longer than average and for me proportioned correctly with the rest of their scale.
Long spined doesn't necessarily equate to long sided.  He might be long spined if yhou measure all the way to the pins but his "side" stops way short of his pins.  The bull has an enourmous hip that takes up a good portion of his spine.  I just printed off a picture of him and busted out my architectural scale.  If length is measured from the pin bone to the point of the shoulder, the bulls hip-from hook back- is 1/3 of his length.  In terms of proportion that's very impressive IMO. 

So perhaps I'm wrong.  I've always used long spined and long sided interchangeably.  Easy is long spined but somewhat short coupled or sided.  If he were longer sided, chances are he wouldn't be so 'Easy.'
 

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 Don't disagree at all -- your definition and mine are different. Nothing wrong with that.  That's why it's always good to understand people's point of reference. It's why early on I tried to make the distinction of long spined instead of long sided.

Either way -- he's a really good bull.
 
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